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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Sun, 5 Nov 2023 09:56 UTC

Yesterday, the Ukraininan media reports

| Former adviser to the Office of the President Alexei Arestovich
| admitted he had previously misled Ukrainians .. "A significant
| share of responsibility for the faith of an ordinary citizen in
| our quick victory lies with me personally," he said in his
| Telegram channel. "I created an illusion at that time .. Today
| I am destroying it .." .. He recently stated that Kiev won't be
| able .. called for negotiation .. <https://tinyurl.com/yksrqyyq>

That's the way the pop-hypnotizer performs today.

| Arestovich wrote his current post regarding an NBC News article,
| which reported that the West is inclined to negotiate with the
| Russian Federation to end the war in Ukraine ..

The mentioned NBC News article is <https://tinyurl.com/ymnbsfka>

2022-Jul-25 "Oleg Smirnov" <os333@netc.eu> wrote in message news:...
> ltlee1, <news:e78bd243-b8f5-4bd5-a460-0ffc0b8159f8n@googlegroups.com>

>> Arestovich said they
>> would fight as long as it takes, even for ten years. They realise that
>> Ukraine may disappear, and a number of other states may appear in its
>> place, as was the case with Yugoslavia.
>
> Arestovich is a TV-propagandist of the Kiev regime, who appears on their
> TV every day and tells something "psychotherapeutic", intended to maintain
> enthusiastic pro-war sentiment among the populace in the Kiev-controlled
> territory. I.e. it's not a rational political-military analysis but a kind
> of pop-show decorated to resemble an analysis.

created an illusion

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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Sun, 5 Nov 2023 11:11 UTC

<https://tinyurl.com/yl3conmo> nytimes.com

Zelensky Rebuke of Top General Signals Rift in Ukrainian Leadership

....

It's pretty natural that there would be a rift, given the military
affairs are going much, much worse against the expectations they have
developed before.

Zelensky seems to seek to continue the desperate and fruitless effort
of what they call "counter-offensive". But many top and middle
commanders there are stunned by the very high losses of manpower and
suggest to change something. In contrast to the fantastic numbers
the Kiev regime and the Atlanticist MSM promote, the real losses are
significantly not in favor of the Kiev regime, while Zelensky doesn't
seem to care about it.

Some anti-Semites say that Zelensky, while being Jewish, doesn't care
about Slavic lives, so he's willing to send them to slaughter without
much reflection. Also some Atlanticist politicians, in the US and
Europe, made it clear they consider the Ukrainians a cheap expendable
and even didn't hesitate to plainly speak out about it (the Poland's
president Duda did so <https://archive.is/CXFuq>, for example). When,
this summer, it turned out that the Leopard tanks and other pooper-
dooper great Western weapons are well-destroyable, the Atlanticist
patrons ordered the Kiev regime to stop using this heavy equipment in
a large scale - since it's a bad marketing effect - but instead send
more manpower to the attacks, which increased their manpower losses.

So now they seem to have a sort of "rift" there.

> Yesterday, the Ukraininan media reports
>
> | Former adviser to the Office of the President Alexei Arestovich
> | admitted he had previously misled Ukrainians .. "A significant
> | share of responsibility for the faith of an ordinary citizen in
> | our quick victory lies with me personally," he said in his
> | Telegram channel. "I created an illusion at that time .. Today
> | I am destroying it .." .. He recently stated that Kiev won't be
> | able .. called for negotiation .. <https://tinyurl.com/yksrqyyq>
>
> That's the way the pop-hypnotizer performs today.
>
> | Arestovich wrote his current post regarding an NBC News article,
> | which reported that the West is inclined to negotiate with the
> | Russian Federation to end the war in Ukraine ..
>
> The mentioned NBC News article is <https://tinyurl.com/ymnbsfka>
>
>
>
> 2022-Jul-25 "Oleg Smirnov" <os333@netc.eu> wrote in message news:...
>> ltlee1, <news:e78bd243-b8f5-4bd5-a460-0ffc0b8159f8n@googlegroups.com>
>
>>> Arestovich said they
>>> would fight as long as it takes, even for ten years. They realise that
>>> Ukraine may disappear, and a number of other states may appear in its
>>> place, as was the case with Yugoslavia.
>>
>> Arestovich is a TV-propagandist of the Kiev regime, who appears on their
>> TV every day and tells something "psychotherapeutic", intended to
>> maintain enthusiastic pro-war sentiment among the populace in the
>> Kiev-controlled territory. I.e. it's not a rational political-military
>> analysis but a kind of pop-show decorated to resemble an analysis.

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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Sun, 19 Nov 2023 15:21 UTC

If Ukrainians don't want to fight for Ukraine, why are we financing
this war? .. It's another Afghanistan, another quagmire .. Huge numbers
of young Ukrainian men fled the country to avoid being drafted .. with
many swimming border rivers or walking cross-country to avoid detection
... Under Ukraine's martial law, for the vast majority of Ukrainian
males, it has been illegal to leave the country .. Yet figures reveal
tens of thousands have attempted to flee and avoid fighting .. If
Ukrainians don't want to fight this war .. then why should we be paying
for it? .. <https://tinyurl.com/ytu53y9k>

....

Concerned citizen poses tough questions.

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 by: D - Sun, 19 Nov 2023 17:56 UTC

On 11/19/2023 10:21 AM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:

> If Ukrainians don't want to fight for Ukraine, why are we financing this
> war?
> Concerned citizen poses tough questions.

Чтобы сломать хребет путлеризма и не пришлось в будущем призывать
озабоченных граждан.

Ебнутый Путлер не остановится же на Украине.

Bye, Anatol

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 by: Данилов - Mon, 20 Nov 2023 06:49 UTC

19.11.2023 20:56, D пишет:
> On 11/19/2023 10:21 AM, Oleg Smirnov wrote:
>
>> If Ukrainians don't want to fight for Ukraine, why are we financing
>> this war?
>> Concerned citizen poses tough questions.
>
> Чтобы сломать хребет путлеризма и не пришлось в будущем призывать
> озабоченных граждан.
>
> Ебнутый Путлер не остановится же на Украине.
>
>
> Bye, Anatol

Считаешь, что с Украиной уже все?

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 by: Iakov Senatov - Mon, 20 Nov 2023 10:40 UTC

On 20.11.2023 07:49, Данилов wrote:

> Считаешь, что с Украиной уже все?
Да, всё. Но есть нюансы.

Состояние по моб. резервам, мат запасам, промышленности и финансам -
Германия, осени 1944-го.

Другое дело, что никому сейчас резкое падение укры невыгодно, как и
смещение Zelenski.
К этому просто никто не готов.

Ни к оккупации, разделению, к управлению территориями, гашению упоротых
ни к восстановлению, ни соц обеспечению местных, ни к разбирательству
с 300 лярдами долгов.

Поэтому будут затягивать насколько возможно, уничтожая организационно и
физически.

--
Благословлѧю на ​добрыꙗ​ дѣла. Вашь Іаковъ.

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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Mon, 20 Nov 2023 13:13 UTC

<https://archive.is/WRnbs> theguardian.com

... Tensions at the top, exhaustion .. frustration .. Unmistakable
sense of gloom in Kiev .. The most downbeat mood about the prospects
... The difficulty in mobilising new recruits ..

Дальше - больше.

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 by: Данилов - Mon, 20 Nov 2023 16:16 UTC

20.11.2023 13:40, Iakov Senatov пишет:
> On 20.11.2023 07:49, Данилов wrote:
>
>> Считаешь, что с Украиной уже все?
> Да, всё. Но есть нюансы.
>
> Состояние по моб. резервам, мат запасам, промышленности и финансам -
> Германия, осени 1944-го.
>
> Другое дело, что никому сейчас резкое падение укры невыгодно, как и
> смещение Zelenski.
> К этому просто никто не готов.
>
> Ни к оккупации, разделению, к управлению территориями, гашению упоротых
> ни к восстановлению, ни соц обеспечению местных,   ни к разбирательству
> с 300 лярдами долгов.
>
> Поэтому будут затягивать насколько возможно, уничтожая организационно и
> физически.
>

Вон оно как! А то местные украинцы обещали, что они вот-вот Крым и
Воронеж отвоюют. Не срослось, значит.

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 by: Iakov Senatov - Mon, 20 Nov 2023 17:33 UTC

On 20.11.2023 17:16, Данилов wrote:

> Вон оно как! А то местные украинцы обещали, что они вот-вот Крым и
> Воронеж отвоюют. Не срослось, значит.

Если подумать, с пропагандой у Укров вообще прикольно - там сейчас любой
тезис, любой, самый упоротый персонаж, в перспективе работает на РФ.

Взять что хочешь, разобрать и, на тебе!, опять зрада.

--
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 by: Данилов - Mon, 20 Nov 2023 18:04 UTC

20.11.2023 20:33, Iakov Senatov пишет:
> On 20.11.2023 17:16, Данилов wrote:
>
>> Вон оно как! А то местные украинцы обещали, что они вот-вот Крым и
>> Воронеж отвоюют. Не срослось, значит.
>
> Если подумать, с пропагандой у Укров вообще прикольно - там сейчас любой
> тезис, любой, самый упоротый персонаж, в перспективе работает на РФ.
>
> Взять что хочешь, разобрать и, на тебе!, опять зрада.

Да здесь в зиване пропагандой не только укры занимались, но и евреи.
Окраинец, например.

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 by: D - Mon, 20 Nov 2023 18:08 UTC

On 11/20/2023 11:16 AM, Данилов wrote:

>> Поэтому будут затягивать насколько возможно, уничтожая организационно
>> и физически.
>
> Вон оно как! А то местные украинцы обещали, что они вот-вот Крым и
> Воронеж отвоюют. Не срослось, значит.

Не срослось.

Но и российский Херсон не отвоеван. Как там Путлера выбирать будут в
следующем году?

Bye, Anatol

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 by: Iakov Senatov - Mon, 20 Nov 2023 18:11 UTC

On 20.11.2023 19:04, Данилов wrote:

> Да здесь в зиване пропагандой не только укры занимались, но и евреи.
> Окраинец, например.
>

- это не при мне. Я сюда недавно, после большого перерыва заглянул,
когда укры тут всё загадили, всех затравили, еху опустошили и сбежали.

- тут, с ситуацией на укре, "лучше один раз увидеть". И не будем
повторять проф. пропагандистов. Их каждый и сам может почитать
посмотреть... Концерт для укро-солдат. Посмотрите - рожи, настроение
возраст. Всё понятно же.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1726354688868573489

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 by: Данилов - Mon, 20 Nov 2023 19:05 UTC

20.11.2023 21:11, Iakov Senatov пишет:
> On 20.11.2023 19:04, Данилов wrote:
>
>> Да здесь в зиване пропагандой не только укры занимались, но и евреи.
>> Окраинец, например.
>>
>
> - это не при мне. Я сюда недавно, после большого перерыва заглянул,
> когда укры тут всё загадили, всех затравили, еху опустошили и сбежали.

Да вроде бы не сбежали. Все здесь. Только попритихли что-то. А то, что
опустошили, это да. Все нормальные сбежали.

>
> - тут, с ситуацией на укре, "лучше один раз увидеть". И не будем
> повторять проф. пропагандистов. Их каждый и сам может почитать
> посмотреть...  Концерт для укро-солдат. Посмотрите - рожи, настроение
> возраст. Всё понятно же.

Это да, кажется, уже не скачут. А как скакали. Хто нэ скачэ той москаль.

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 by: Данилов - Mon, 20 Nov 2023 19:08 UTC

20.11.2023 21:08, D пишет:
> On 11/20/2023 11:16 AM, Данилов wrote:
>
>>> Поэтому будут затягивать насколько возможно, уничтожая организационно
>>> и физически.
>>
>> Вон оно как! А то местные украинцы обещали, что они вот-вот Крым и
>> Воронеж отвоюют. Не срослось, значит.
>
> Не срослось.
>
> Но и российский Херсон не отвоеван. Как там Путлера выбирать будут в
> следующем году?

Ну,не в следующем, так в позаследующем. Спешить некуда. Осознали, что
быстро не получится.

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 by: Iakov Senatov - Mon, 20 Nov 2023 22:04 UTC

On 20.11.2023 20:08, Данилов wrote:

>> Но и российский Херсон не отвоеван. Как там Путлера выбирать будут в
>> следующем году?
>
> Ну,не в следующем, так в позаследующем. Спешить некуда. Осознали, что
> быстро не получится.
>
Достижение тут будет - не "отвоевать херсонскую область", а отвоевать
оную в пустом от населения виде. Без визгов и скандалов со стороны этого
самого населения.

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 by: Данилов - Tue, 21 Nov 2023 10:25 UTC

21.11.2023 1:04, Iakov Senatov пишет:
> On 20.11.2023 20:08, Данилов wrote:
>
>>> Но и российский Херсон не отвоеван. Как там Путлера выбирать будут в
>>> следующем году?
>>
>> Ну,не в следующем, так в позаследующем. Спешить некуда. Осознали, что
>> быстро не получится.
>>
> Достижение тут будет -  не "отвоевать херсонскую область", а отвоевать
> оную в пустом от населения виде. Без визгов и скандалов со стороны этого
> самого населения.
>

Все правильно. Кроме демилитаризации-это одна из целей, денацификация.

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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 15:29 UTC

Yesterday, Zelensky publicly verbally attacked Zaluzhny (who
is "commander-in-chief of the armed forces" of the regime),
so the tensions between the army and Zelensky went public.

....

Also, two criminal cases are now open against Arestovich in
Kiev: one for misogynist hateful speech and another one for
false denunciation. The cases are non-political, but the
obvious real reason behind them is the fact that he expressed
an opposition to Zelensky. Arestovich still managed to flee
the Kiev-controlled territory before they got formal reasons
to detain him.

> <https://tinyurl.com/yl3conmo> nytimes.com
>
> Zelensky Rebuke of Top General Signals Rift in Ukrainian Leadership
>
> ...
>
> It's pretty natural that there would be a rift, given the military affairs
> are going much, much worse against the expectations they have developed
> before.
>
> Zelensky seems to seek to continue the desperate and fruitless effort
> of what they call "counter-offensive". But many top and middle
> commanders there are stunned by the very high losses of manpower and
> suggest to change something. In contrast to the fantastic numbers
> the Kiev regime and the Atlanticist MSM promote, the real losses are
> significantly not in favor of the Kiev regime, while Zelensky doesn't
> seem to care about it.
>
> Some anti-Semites say that Zelensky, while being Jewish, doesn't care
> about Slavic lives, so he's willing to send them to slaughter without
> much reflection. Also some Atlanticist politicians, in the US and
> Europe, made it clear they consider the Ukrainians a cheap expendable
> and even didn't hesitate to plainly speak out about it (the Poland's
> president Duda did so <https://archive.is/CXFuq>, for example). When,
> this summer, it turned out that the Leopard tanks and other pooper-
> dooper great Western weapons are well-destroyable, the Atlanticist
> patrons ordered the Kiev regime to stop using this heavy equipment in a
> large scale - since it's a bad marketing effect - but instead send
> more manpower to the attacks, which increased their manpower losses.
>
> So now they seem to have a sort of "rift" there.
>
>
>
>> Yesterday, the Ukraininan media reports
>>
>> | Former adviser to the Office of the President Alexei Arestovich
>> | admitted he had previously misled Ukrainians .. "A significant
>> | share of responsibility for the faith of an ordinary citizen in
>> | our quick victory lies with me personally," he said in his
>> | Telegram channel. "I created an illusion at that time .. Today
>> | I am destroying it .." .. He recently stated that Kiev won't be
>> | able .. called for negotiation .. <https://tinyurl.com/yksrqyyq>
>>
>> That's the way the pop-hypnotizer performs today.
>>
>> | Arestovich wrote his current post regarding an NBC News article,
>> | which reported that the West is inclined to negotiate with the
>> | Russian Federation to end the war in Ukraine ..
>>
>> The mentioned NBC News article is <https://tinyurl.com/ymnbsfka>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2022-Jul-25 "Oleg Smirnov" <os333@netc.eu> wrote in message news:...
>>> ltlee1, <news:e78bd243-b8f5-4bd5-a460-0ffc0b8159f8n@googlegroups.com>
>>
>>>> Arestovich said they
>>>> would fight as long as it takes, even for ten years. They realise that
>>>> Ukraine may disappear, and a number of other states may appear in its
>>>> place, as was the case with Yugoslavia.
>>>
>>> Arestovich is a TV-propagandist of the Kiev regime, who appears on their
>>> TV every day and tells something "psychotherapeutic", intended to
>>> maintain enthusiastic pro-war sentiment among the populace in the
>>> Kiev-controlled territory. I.e. it's not a rational political-military
>>> analysis but a kind of pop-show decorated to resemble an analysis.

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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Fri, 24 Nov 2023 14:58 UTC

Media loyal to the Kiev regime say <https://tinyurl.com/ytqoe7ef>
that one in five female refugees from the Ukraine have been raped
or beaten in Europe. The news doesn't look nice. If true, then it's
telling some unpleasant reality about the garden EU freak Borrell
was ranting about not so long ago.

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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Sat, 25 Nov 2023 04:38 UTC

... reassessment reveals an uncomfortable truth: namely, that Ukraine
and the West are on an unsustainable trajectory, one characterized
by a glaring mismatch between ends and the available means .. The
time has come for Washington to lead efforts to forge a new policy
that sets attainable goals .. <https://tinyurl.com/yvyp8rqb>

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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Sat, 25 Nov 2023 15:27 UTC

It would be immature to claim the regime in Kiev is starting
to crack, but there are increasingly visible inner vibrations
within it. It's expressed not only in emergence of turncoats,
increasing public friction between high-ranking functionaries,
but also in the fact that some functionaries begin to issue
unusual "confessions". David Arakhamia, one of the key top
henchmen of Zelensky, talked a lot on the Kiev TV yesterday,
and revealed some details that appeared to be shocking to the
locals indoctrinated by the Kiev regime's propaganda before.

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lt4E0DiJts>

Misc outlets retell it with varying accents (whereas English-
speaking media are generally not enthusiastic to report it),
and the essence of his confessions is that in spring 2022, the
Kremlin was very ready to stop all military activities and
withdraw all troops in exchange for Ukraine's neutral non-NATO
status and desistance of the regime's Nazi-like propaganda.
Then, Arakhamia said, Britain's Boris Johnson arrived in Kiev
and said "f*ck Russia, let's simply fight against them", which
was the key advice that caused the Kiev regime to abandon the
negotiation. As one can read in the comments under the video,
the populace are angry after becoming aware of this fact.

For Russian public, the malicious role of the British was
never a secret, but for the Kiev-controlled people it turned
out to be a revelation.

Previously the regime substantiated their refusal to negotiate
with the horrific Bucha case, but now it turns out the Bucha
narrative was staged and used to justify the refusal.

> Yesterday, Zelensky publicly verbally attacked Zaluzhny (who
> is "commander-in-chief of the armed forces" of the regime),
> so the tensions between the army and Zelensky went public.
>
> ...
>
> Also, two criminal cases are now open against Arestovich in
> Kiev: one for misogynist hateful speech and another one for
> false denunciation. The cases are non-political, but the
> obvious real reason behind them is the fact that he expressed
> an opposition to Zelensky. Arestovich still managed to flee
> the Kiev-controlled territory before they got formal reasons
> to detain him.

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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Sun, 26 Nov 2023 08:53 UTC

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30rmYPb7SaY> India news

Ukraine exposes West .. Zelensky Aide's Bombshell Admission ..

....

After the Arakhamia's confessions, some speculate that one of
the key things Johnson might promise to Kiev was destruction
of the NordStream-2 pipeline in the Baltic sea. It's unproven
but it seems pretty realistic. British political class keeps
an incredibly obsessive fixation on Russia.

And another question is why did Arakhamia reveal it. Some see
it as a part of internal fight among the accomplices of the
regime. Others say that Arakhamia is simply stupid and he has
spilled the beans because the dire situation makes the regime
nervous and requires to say something to the populace.

> It would be immature to claim the regime in Kiev is starting
> to crack, but there are increasingly visible inner vibrations
> within it. It's expressed not only in emergence of turncoats,
> increasing public friction between high-ranking functionaries,
> but also in the fact that some functionaries begin to issue
> unusual "confessions". David Arakhamia, one of the key top
> henchmen of Zelensky, talked a lot on the Kiev TV yesterday,
> and revealed some details that appeared to be shocking to the
> locals indoctrinated by the Kiev regime's propaganda before.
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6lt4E0DiJts>
>
> Misc outlets retell it with varying accents (whereas English-
> speaking media are generally not enthusiastic to report it),
> and the essence of his confessions is that in spring 2022, the
> Kremlin was very ready to stop all military activities and
> withdraw all troops in exchange for Ukraine's neutral non-NATO
> status and desistance of the regime's Nazi-like propaganda.
> Then, Arakhamia said, Britain's Boris Johnson arrived in Kiev
> and said "f*ck Russia, let's simply fight against them", which
> was the key advice that caused the Kiev regime to abandon the
> negotiation. As one can read in the comments under the video,
> the populace are angry after becoming aware of this fact.
>
> For Russian public, the malicious role of the British was
> never a secret, but for the Kiev-controlled people it turned
> out to be a revelation.
>
> Previously the regime substantiated their refusal to negotiate
> with the horrific Bucha case, but now it turns out the Bucha
> narrative was staged and used to justify the refusal.
>
>
>
>> Yesterday, Zelensky publicly verbally attacked Zaluzhny (who
>> is "commander-in-chief of the armed forces" of the regime),
>> so the tensions between the army and Zelensky went public.
>>
>> ...
>>
>> Also, two criminal cases are now open against Arestovich in
>> Kiev: one for misogynist hateful speech and another one for
>> false denunciation. The cases are non-political, but the
>> obvious real reason behind them is the fact that he expressed
>> an opposition to Zelensky. Arestovich still managed to flee
>> the Kiev-controlled territory before they got formal reasons
>> to detain him.

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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Sun, 3 Dec 2023 12:11 UTC

<https://tinyurl.com/yn9e34rh> 20min.ch

Q. Are you surprised that President Zelensky's popularity is
declining compared to the army?
A. No .. Zelenskiy is paying for the mistakes he made .. There
was too much information that didn't match reality ..
Q. General Zaluzhny described the war as a stalemate in an
interview and was heavily criticized [by Zelensky] for this.
Did he make a mistake?
A. No. He told the truth .. Of course we can euphorically lie ..
But you can't do that forever ..

....

Anti-Zelensky party within the regime is strengthening.

Vitali Klitchko, who was one of the major figures behind the
2014 anti-democratic coup, and still remains to be a key
functionarie of the regime, is throwing Zelensky under the bus.

> Yesterday, Zelensky publicly verbally attacked Zaluzhny (who
> is "commander-in-chief of the armed forces" of the regime),
> so the tensions between the army and Zelensky went public.

> Also, two criminal cases are now open against Arestovich

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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Sun, 3 Dec 2023 16:35 UTC

<https://tinyurl.com/ypyymfs5> evrensel.net

... Ukraine's probability of winning the war is decreasing day by day.
More precisely, Western imperialists, who eagerly pushed Ukraine into
war against Russia, seem to have lost faith that the current situation
will change. The "great offensive" launched last summer with great
military support yielded no results ..

NATO declares the current situation as "victory" and waits for time
to somehow establish a negotiation table. Whether there is a "victory"
or a "defeat" depends on how the war is viewed .. It is understood
that the real winner of the war is the West, Russia, which gained new
lands, is a partial winner, and the total loser is the Ukraine ..

....

Analysis from Türkiye.

> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=30rmYPb7SaY> India news
>
> Ukraine exposes West .. Zelensky Aide's Bombshell Admission ..

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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Mon, 4 Dec 2023 14:25 UTC

<https://tinyurl.com/yr638zjg> pravda.com.ua

Zelensky communicates with commanders bypassing Zaluzhny ..
Sometimes there is an impression that Zelenskyy has two types
of the Armed Forces: the 'good ones', commanded by Zyrsky and
other favourites, and 'bad ones', which are subordinate to
Zaluzhny. It is very demotivating ..

<https://tinyurl.com/yp999b3v> pravda.com.ua

Zaluzhny complained to Pentagon chief .. Lloyd Austin, Head of
the Pentagon, was informed .. "Austin then told us that
Zaluzhny complained about how everyone impeded him - the
President's Office, this one, that one .. They do not cultivate
trust .. At the same time, the President's Office is inclined
to believe that the dismissal of Zaluzhny will contribute to
his political career ..

....

The cited pro-regime outlet now campaigns for general Zaluzhny
against Zelensky. The essential narrative is: Zaluzhny is wise,
proficient, realistic and mature while Zelensky is incompetent,
petulant and jealous of Zaluzhny's much higher popularity among
the regime supporteurs. However, Zelensky can not simply fire
Zaluzhny since it would make him even more politically strong
(unconstrained) oppositionary, but Zelensky seeks his coke best
to meddle within the military command thus contributing to the
notable failures of the army.

Given that the regime is a puppet, such an intraspecific fight
of the worms within the can ultimately appeals to the American
arbiter.

> <https://tinyurl.com/yn9e34rh> 20min.ch
> Q. General Zaluzhny described the war as a stalemate in an
> interview and was heavily criticized [by Zelensky] for this.
> Did he make a mistake?
> A. No. He told the truth .. Of course we can euphorically lie
> .. But you can't do that forever ..

created an illusion

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<https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-67565508>

The Ukrainian soldier's quotes are below ..

The entire river crossing is under constant fire. I've seen boats
with my comrades on board just disappear into the water after
being hit .. Every day we sat in the forest taking incoming fire.
We were trapped .. Now the frosts are coming, things will only get
worse - the real situation is being hushed up .. No-one knows the
goals .. The guys believe that our presence had more political
than military significance. But we just did our job and didn't get
into strategy .. It's a total nightmare. A year ago, I wouldn't
have said that, but now, sorry, I'm fed up ..

....

The swampy riparian zone of the left bank of Dnepr is difficult to
keep under complete control, but it also is not a place from where
it's possible to develop a powerful offensive. The purpose why
Zelensky sends soldiers there is to produce some news-media effect.
Artillery and drones kill these poor obedient ones - who "didn't
get into strategy" - in large numbers, and then Zelensky sends more
manpower there, and when most of them have been killed, he sends
even more soldiers there and so on, so on. It's ugly, but this way
the regime could report that the troops "hold the bridgehead" (so
they must be winning soon). The fact the BBC (and others) started
to publish this stuff indicates certain changes behind the scenes.

> <https://tinyurl.com/yr638zjg> pravda.com.ua
>
> Zelensky communicates with commanders bypassing Zaluzhny ..

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