On 29/07/2023 15:51, Popping Mad wrote:
> On 7/29/23 03:57, Andy Burns wrote:
>>
>> A single line of CSS will move your menu back above the toolbar
>
>
> yeah - digging out the css in the internal code and altering it in order
> for the software to be normal is... crazy... right?
>
> I can hack anything and just recompile to get it to work properly and
> that is called "broken software"
>
>
You should have seen the mechanical engineering I had to do on a brand
new cooker this week

BOTH door handles - upper and lower - mounted on nothing more
substantial than 22swg pressed tinplate. And it wasn't a cheap cooker
either.

--
If I had all the money I've spent on drink...
...I'd spend it on drink.

Sir Henry (at Rawlinson's End)

On 7/24/23 11:46 PM, Popping Mad wrote:
> On 7/23/23 11:50, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
>> Believe me: you will get used to it. You can also test Betterbird:
>> https://www.betterbird.eu/downloads/index.php
>
>
> No - what usually happens is these things then remain permanently
> broken. The poster child for this is the GIMP which they broke a good
> 10 years ago now and remains not only broken, but more broken.

Admittedly, GIMP ain't as stable/easy as it used to be.
They made too many "enhancements" too quickly and could
not keep up with the bugs and interactions. Nothing so
unusual about this - but it's still kinda depressing.

Many Linux apps/distros seem TOO eager to keep up with
Apple/M$ these days. They add lots of barely-tested,
mostly eye-candy, "features" and then can't keep up
with the fallout.

STOP IT !!!

IMHO the #1 feature of any Linux should be "SOLID",
"STABLE". If we want super-buggy CPU-wasting crap we'd
be using M$ ........

As for T-Bird ... well ... it is what it is. It's not
"perfect" at anything but "functional" for lots of stuff.
Unfortunately M$ recently changed the ways you could
connect to their mail and stuff - TBird is now BARELY
adequate. Oh yea, make it EASY to change passwords
instead of starting all over again ....

23k.304 <23k...@bfxw9.net> [23k]:
23k> As for T-Bird ... well ... it is what it is.
23k> Unfortunately M$ recently changed the ways you could connect to
23k> their mail and stuff - TBird is now BARELY adequate

Someone has already found a way to connect to MS mail servers
(that no longer support POP3/SMTP) using nothing but a bash script:

https://gitlab.com/judyf/getmail_ms_oauth2 (*)

The Thunderbird people might get inspired, automate/polish/make
idiot proof the tedious setup and hopefully add similar functionality
to Thunderbird at some point in the future.

*)
It's just a bunch of MS API calls using curl with a whiff of OAUTH2
black magic. The setup is a bit tedious, but once installed and
configured it just works. I 've expanded that script a bit to also
support sending messages via MS mail servers. (Once you get the
necessary short-lived access token getting and sending messages via
their API are pretty similar)

On 8/6/23 8:33 PM, Fritz Wuehler wrote:
> 23k.304 <23k...@bfxw9.net> [23k]:
> 23k> As for T-Bird ... well ... it is what it is.
> 23k> Unfortunately M$ recently changed the ways you could connect to
> 23k> their mail and stuff - TBird is now BARELY adequate
>
> Someone has already found a way to connect to MS mail servers
> (that no longer support POP3/SMTP) using nothing but a bash script:
>
> https://gitlab.com/judyf/getmail_ms_oauth2 (*)

Not exactly a short, transparent, script BUT it may be
exactly what I need for a current project !

> The Thunderbird people might get inspired, automate/polish/make
> idiot proof the tedious setup and hopefully add similar functionality
> to Thunderbird at some point in the future.

Might. It hasn't seem to have changed very much
of late however. Hey, it's free - better click
the "Donate" buttons every once in awhile !

> *)
> It's just a bunch of MS API calls using curl with a whiff of OAUTH2
> black magic. The setup is a bit tedious, but once installed and
> configured it just works. I 've expanded that script a bit to also
> support sending messages via MS mail servers. (Once you get the
> necessary short-lived access token getting and sending messages via
> their API are pretty similar)
>

On 8/5/23 00:30, 23k.304 wrote:
> As for T-Bird ... well ... it is what it is. It's not
>   "perfect" at anything but "functional" for lots of stuff.
>   Unfortunately M$ recently changed the ways you could
>   connect to their mail and stuff - TBird is now BARELY
>   adequate. Oh yea, make it EASY to change passwords
>   instead of starting all over again ....

I never needed and will never need to connect to that MS crap.