In message <DoiqQnapb1KmFAxi@perry.uk>, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
writes
>I note the Land Rover Defender has gone back to hanging the spare tyre
>outside the rear door (like a MK1 Honda CRV). My Series 2 Land Rover
>had it fixed on the bonnet.

As memory serves, the location was optional. On the back door it messed
up the hinges (the wheels were rather heavy), on the bonnet, it made
that heavy to lift, although I know of people who used it as extra
storage space (tow ropes, navigators etc.). My IIA had it mounted
inside, immediately behind the seats, handy to lean on when turning
around to see where you were reversing to.

Adrian
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On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 19:45:46 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
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>Certes <Certes@example.org> wrote:
>> On 25/04/2024 20:08, Tweed wrote:
>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 25/04/2024 11:15, JMB99 wrote:
>>>>> On 24/04/2024 15:18, ColinR wrote:
>>>>>> Or use one of these aerosol kits used in modern cars instead of a
>>>>>> proper spare wheel.
>>>>>
>>>>> That don't always work and make the tyre unrepairable.
>>>>
>>>> Agree, but modern car manufacturers rarely (if ever) give the option of
>>>> having a proper spare (or even a space saver spare).
>>>
>>> Ford do
>>
>> My last new Ford (12 years ago) came with a well in the boot. It was
>> disappointingly empty but I filled it with a wheel from a scrap vehicle.
>>
>
>It’s usually a paid for extra on purchase.
>
And not to be bought from the vehicle seller as the typical cost IME
is around twice that of buying a decent new tyre and wheel from
elsewhere.

>It’s missed out to save weight
>and to thus help game various figures such as emissions.

On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 09:26:09 +0200, Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:

>On 24.04.2024 08:05, JMB99 wrote:
>> On 23/04/2024 21:52, Sam Wilson wrote:
>>>   A family member is on a train from Perth to Stirling which has
>>> apparently
>>> hit a deer.  This has punctured one of the suspension airbags but it
>>> seems
>>> the driver can fix it.   Who knew that trains carry a puncture repair
>>> kit?
>>
>>
>> Does he 'repair the puncture' or just replace the airbag assembly?
>
>I would assume there is some kind of provision in this type of rolling
>stock for them to be able to proceed, perhaps at reduced speed, in the
>event of loss of air pressure.
>
AFAIR there is usually a dirty great rubber "polo mint" inside which
doubles as an internal bump stop and an emergency replacement for the
air bag.

On 25/04/2024 20:08, Tweed wrote:
> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 25/04/2024 11:15, JMB99 wrote:
>>> On 24/04/2024 15:18, ColinR wrote:
>>>> Or use one of these aerosol kits used in modern cars instead of a
>>>> proper spare wheel.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That don't always work and make the tyre unrepairable.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Agree, but modern car manufacturers rarely (if ever) give the option of
>> having a proper spare (or even a space saver spare).
>>
>
> Ford do
>

https://www.ford.co.uk/support/how-tos/tyres-and-wheels/spare/do-ford-vehicles-come-with-a-spare-wheel

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ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
> On 25/04/2024 20:08, Tweed wrote:
>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 25/04/2024 11:15, JMB99 wrote:
>>>> On 24/04/2024 15:18, ColinR wrote:
>>>>> Or use one of these aerosol kits used in modern cars instead of a
>>>>> proper spare wheel.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> That don't always work and make the tyre unrepairable.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Agree, but modern car manufacturers rarely (if ever) give the option of
>>> having a proper spare (or even a space saver spare).
>>>
>>
>> Ford do
>>
>
> https://www.ford.co.uk/support/how-tos/tyres-and-wheels/spare/do-ford-vehicles-come-with-a-spare-wheel
>

Exactly, they come with the option of a spare.

On 26/04/2024 20:51, Tweed wrote:
> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 25/04/2024 20:08, Tweed wrote:
>>> ColinR <rail@greystane.shetland.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 25/04/2024 11:15, JMB99 wrote:
>>>>> On 24/04/2024 15:18, ColinR wrote:
>>>>>> Or use one of these aerosol kits used in modern cars instead of a
>>>>>> proper spare wheel.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That don't always work and make the tyre unrepairable.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Agree, but modern car manufacturers rarely (if ever) give the option of
>>>> having a proper spare (or even a space saver spare).
>>>>
>>>
>>> Ford do
>>>
>>
>> https://www.ford.co.uk/support/how-tos/tyres-and-wheels/spare/do-ford-vehicles-come-with-a-spare-wheel
>>
>
> Exactly, they come with the option of a spare.
>

OK, but "on most models" is not all models!

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Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
> On 24.04.2024 08:05, JMB99 wrote:
>> On 23/04/2024 21:52, Sam Wilson wrote:
>>>   A family member is on a train from Perth to Stirling which has
>>> apparently
>>> hit a deer.  This has punctured one of the suspension airbags but it
>>> seems
>>> the driver can fix it.   Who knew that trains carry a puncture repair
>>> kit?
>>
>>
>> Does he 'repair the puncture' or just replace the airbag assembly?
>
> I would assume there is some kind of provision in this type of rolling
> stock for them to be able to proceed, perhaps at reduced speed, in the
> event of loss of air pressure.

Once the problem was fixed this particular train didn’t lose any more time,
and even made up some, so there’s no obvious evidence of reduced speed
running. It finished its route through to Edinburgh so it didn’t have to
be taken out of service for repairs. Whatever the driver did seems to have
worked.

Sam

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On 24/4/24 16:05, JMB99 wrote:
> On 23/04/2024 21:52, Sam Wilson wrote:

>
> Does he 'repair the puncture' or just replace the airbag assembly?
>
More likely just isolated the air supply to that airbag and continued at
reduced speed. At some point later the passengers will be offloaded and
train worked to a suitable location to do the actual repairs.

Matthew Geier <matthew@sleeper.apana.org.au> wrote:
> On 24/4/24 16:05, JMB99 wrote:
>> On 23/04/2024 21:52, Sam Wilson wrote:
>
>>
>> Does he 'repair the puncture' or just replace the airbag assembly?
>>
> More likely just isolated the air supply to that airbag and continued at
> reduced speed. At some point later the passengers will be offloaded and
> train worked to a suitable location to do the actual repairs.

See my earlier post - train ran to end of the route with no obvious
reduction in speed.

Sam

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