"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in news:op.2mu8uuxybyq249
@pvr2.lan:

> Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote
>>>> Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote
>
>>>>> China buys more electric vehiclesthan the rest of the world combi
> ned
>
> Correct.
>
>>>>> and has the largest road network in the world.
>
>>> Wrong, the USA has that and china is only 3rd with India second.
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_road_network_size
>
>> ==========
>
>> China has 130,000 km of highways, the most in the world
>
> Wrong, as always
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_road_network_size
>
>> Updated: Aug 27,2017 7:32 AM CGTN
>
>> China now has over 130,000 kilometers of highways nationwide,according
>
>> to an official census on the country’s expressways.
>
> Wrong, as always
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_road_network_size
> And that is 2023
>
>> Every year since 2011, another 10,000 kilometers has been added to the
>
>> network. And China now has the world’s largest highway system.
>
>
> Bullshit.
>
>> http://english.www.gov.cn/news/top_news/2017/08/27/content_
>> 281475818432406.htm
>
> Wota stunningly impeccible source.
>

===============
China's road network is divided into five main types of roads, namely
national roads, provincial roads, county roads, township roads, and
village roads. As of 2022, the country�s national roads measured 379,500
kilometers while the township roads spanned over 1.24 million kilometers.
On average, China's road network density exceeded 55 kilometers per 100
square kilometers in 2021.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/276051/total-length-of-public-roads-
in-china/

Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent�ter.@gmail.com> wrote
in
news:9ttp2j9nbi1hfpcq1i92c8t65hnf4jdv4d@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
ing.dwarf.com:

> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>
>>"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:op.2mu17lm5byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>
>>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 23:04:19 +1000, Scout
>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:v0ecrm$36cf2$3@dont-email.me...
>>
>>>>>> 30% less range because of cold.
>>>
>>>>> China buys more electric vehicles than the rest of the world
>>>>> combined
>>>
>>>>> and has the largest road network in the world.
>>>
>>> Wrong, the USA has that and china is only 3rd with India second.
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_road_network_size
>>>
>>===========
>>
>>China has 130,000 km of highways, the most in the world
>>Updated: Aug 27,2017 7:32 AM CGTN
>
> You're insane if you think that.
>
> Which Country has the Largest Road Map? With nearly 3 million
> kilometers of motorways, the U.S. has the largest road network in the
> world, nearly double that of China (1.7 million km) and three times
> that of India (1 million km). U.S.May 18, 2023
>

over 40% of US roads are unpaved.

Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergent�ter.@gmail.com> wrote
in
news:9ttp2j9nbi1hfpcq1i92c8t65hnf4jdv4d@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
ing.dwarf.com:

> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>
>>"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in
>>news:op.2mu17lm5byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>
>>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 23:04:19 +1000, Scout
>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:v0ecrm$36cf2$3@dont-email.me...
>>
>>>>>> 30% less range because of cold.
>>>
>>>>> China buys more electric vehicles than the rest of the world
>>>>> combined
>>>
>>>>> and has the largest road network in the world.
>>>
>>> Wrong, the USA has that and china is only 3rd with India second.
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_road_network_size
>>>
>>===========
>>
>>China has 130,000 km of highways, the most in the world
>>Updated: Aug 27,2017 7:32 AM CGTN
>
> You're insane if you think that.
>
> Which Country has the Largest Road Map? With nearly 3 million
> kilometers of motorways, the U.S. has the largest road network in the
> world, nearly double that of China (1.7 million km) and three times
> that of India (1 million km). U.S.May 18, 2023

China now has a larger EXPRESSWAY system than the US:

https://transportgeography.org/contents/chapter5/road-
transportation/highway-length-china-united-states/

[Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

>Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote
>in
>news:9ttp2j9nbi1hfpcq1i92c8t65hnf4jdv4d@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
>ing.dwarf.com:
>
>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>
>>>"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>news:op.2mu17lm5byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 23:04:19 +1000, Scout
>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:v0ecrm$36cf2$3@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>>>>>> 30% less range because of cold.
>>>>
>>>>>> China buys more electric vehicles than the rest of the world
>>>>>> combined
>>>>
>>>>>> and has the largest road network in the world.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong, the USA has that and china is only 3rd with India second.
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_road_network_size
>>>>
>>>===========
>>>
>>>China has 130,000 km of highways, the most in the world
>>>Updated: Aug 27,2017 7:32 AM CGTN
>>
>> You're insane if you think that.
>>
>> Which Country has the Largest Road Map? With nearly 3 million
>> kilometers of motorways, the U.S. has the largest road network in the
>> world, nearly double that of China (1.7 million km) and three times
>> that of India (1 million km). U.S.May 18, 2023
>>
>
>over 40% of US roads are unpaved.

Baxter claims e-cars can't go on an unpaved road.

ROFLMAO!!!

[Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:

>Klaus Schadenfreude <klaus.schadenfreude.Zwergentöter.@gmail.com> wrote
>in
>news:9ttp2j9nbi1hfpcq1i92c8t65hnf4jdv4d@Rudy.Canoza.is.a.forging.cocksuck
>ing.dwarf.com:
>
>> [Default] Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> typed:
>>
>>>"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>news:op.2mu17lm5byq249@pvr2.lan:
>>>
>>>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 23:04:19 +1000, Scout
>>>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:v0ecrm$36cf2$3@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>>>>>> 30% less range because of cold.
>>>>
>>>>>> China buys more electric vehicles than the rest of the world
>>>>>> combined
>>>>
>>>>>> and has the largest road network in the world.
>>>>
>>>> Wrong, the USA has that and china is only 3rd with India second.
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_road_network_size
>>>>
>>>===========
>>>
>>>China has 130,000 km of highways, the most in the world
>>>Updated: Aug 27,2017 7:32 AM CGTN
>>
>> You're insane if you think that.
>>
>> Which Country has the Largest Road Map? With nearly 3 million
>> kilometers of motorways, the U.S. has the largest road network in the
>> world, nearly double that of China (1.7 million km) and three times
>> that of India (1 million km). U.S.May 18, 2023
>
>China now has a larger EXPRESSWAY system than the US:

Baxter claims ecars only work on expressways.

LOL

On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 15:07:45 -0000 (UTC)
Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

> China now has a larger EXPRESSWAY system than the US

And empty cities and thousands of acres of dead EV cars.

Har!

On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 14:56:47 -0000 (UTC)
Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

> over 40% of US roads are unpaved.

And that means more natural areas, yay!

On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 14:50:17 -0000 (UTC)
Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

> On average, China's road network density exceeded 55 kilometers per
> 100 square kilometers in 2021.

Great for connecting their empty cities.

On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 02:15:39 -0000 (UTC)
Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:

> China now has over 130,000 kilometers of highways nationwide,

To connect their empty cities:

https://youtu.be/mt-Pa5s5zZI

The skyscrapers are empty, the streets are without traffic, and a chilling silence emanates throughout the area. These are the scenes of China’s ghost cities.

These streets resemble abandoned or evacuated cities from a zombie or
nuclear apocalypse movie. But nobody even lived here in the first place.

Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote
>>>>> Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>> China buys more electric vehiclesthan the rest of the world combi
>> ned
>>
>> Correct.
>>
>>>>>> and has the largest road network in the world.
>>
>>>> Wrong, the USA has that and china is only 3rd with India second.
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_road_network_size
>>
>>> =========>>
>>> China has 130,000 km of highways, the most in the world
>>
>> Wrong, as always
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_road_network_size
>>
>>> Updated: Aug 27,2017 7:32 AM CGTN
>>
>>> China now has over 130,000 kilometers of highways nationwide,according
>>
>>> to an official census on the country’s expressways.
>>
>> Wrong, as always
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_road_network_size
>> And that is 2023
>>
>>> Every year since 2011, another 10,000 kilometers has been added to the
>>
>>> network. And China now has the world’s largest highway system.
>>
>>
>> Bullshit.
>>
>>> http://english.www.gov.cn/news/top_news/2017/08/27/content_
>>> 281475818432406.htm
>>
>> Wota stunningly impeccible source.
>>
>
> ==============> China's road network is divided into five main types of roads, namely
> national roads, provincial roads, county roads, township roads, and
> village roads. As of 2022, the country’s national roads measured 379,500
> kilometers while the township roads spanned over 1.24 million kilometers.

Doesnt get within a bulls roar of the number in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_road_network_size

And no source is available unless you pay an insane price.

Try again.

> https://www.statista.com/statistics/276051/total-length-of-public-roads-
> in-china/

On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 10:29:22 +1000
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> > And lets not forget all those abandoned in China when the
> > government subsides ran out.
>
> Never happened.

Why do YOU lie so much??

https://reason.com/2023/08/23/chinas-e-v-graveyards-are-an-indictment-of-government-policy/

Last week, Bloomberg reported on China's electric vehicle (E.V.) "graveyards"—plots of land across the country where hundreds of vehicles have been abandoned.

From the outset, the piece places blame on "the excess and waste that can happen when capital floods into a burgeoning industry." It closes by quoting a Shenzhen–based photographer who calls the graveyards "a result of unconstrained capitalism…. The waste of resources, the damage to the environment, the vanishing wealth, it's a natural consequence." Not only does this quote get cause and effect totally wrong, but it also ignores the fact that China poured tons of government money into the industry.

China's government first implemented E.V. subsidies in 2009, spending nearly $30 billion by 2022. Buyers could receive rebates of as much as $8,400 per vehicle purchased. By the mid-'10s, Beijing disadvantaged the production of cars with poor fuel economy, and cities like Shijiazhuang and Hangzhou banned cars with internal combustion engines altogether.

Companies rushed to market with unimpressive offerings, especially compared to their gas-burning counterparts; some got barely 60 miles of range per charge. Most were bought by companies that would rent them to drivers.

But when the country started paring back incentives in 2019, many companies weren't prepared to compete without government cash as a backstop and were forced to close, relegating their fleets to molder in open fields.

E.V. graveyards are therefore an indictment of government policy, not capitalism. When private entrepreneurs enter into a nascent market, they put their own capital on the line; their ambition is tempered by the fear that failure will mean losing their shirt. But when the government agrees to cover part of the bill, or requires people to use that product, then it artificially lowers the risk.

China's example shows how subsidies skew the market. With the promise of free money, hundreds of companies flooded the market with substandard products that, on their own, stood no chance of competing directly with gas-powered cars. When the spigot shut off, those companies couldn't survive: Bloomberg reports that there are about one-fifth as many E.V. manufacturers in China today as there were in 2019.

Washington could learn from Beijing's example. The Inflation Reduction
Act, passed in 2022, included tax credits for buying E.V.s. The
Electrification Coalition, a nonpartisan organization that advocates
for the wider adoption of electric vehicles, called the law "perhaps
the most significant legislation to accelerate transportation
electrification in U.S. history."

On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 10:31:53 +1000
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Basically, anything the government gets involved in becomes a
> > disaster.
>
> Complete bullshit with oil and gas and most of the electricity
> generation in Norway.

That is ONE nation in one area = anecdotal example, clownshow.

On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 10:36:12 +1000
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 04:35:54 +1000, Scout
> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
> > news:v0dqeo$325s1$2@dont-email.me...
> >> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
> >> news:v0dbka$2v08d$2@dont-email.me:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "Cal Worthington" <and.his@dog.spot> wrote in message
> >>> news:v0cd1d$493$1@toxic.dizum.net...
> >>>> Sales of EVs are slowing - despite the Biden Administration's
> >>>> push for eco cars
> >>>> Consumers have complained about a lack of charging
> >>>> infrastructure in the US
> >>>> READ MORE: Americans reveal what they REALLY think of their
> >>>> electric cars
> >>>>
> >>>> Ex-automotive executives have said America's electric vehicle
> >>>> push happened 'too soon and too fast', amid slumping EV sales.
> >>>
> >>> Basically, anything the government gets involved in becomes a
> >>> disaster.
> >>
> >> Nope. That's propaganda - started by Reagan.
> >
> > So homelessness, poverty, crime, illegal immigration, and lower
> > standards of living are just 'propaganda'?
>
> Those are not what became a disaster because govt got involved in
> that area.

Another LIE.

https://hc.edu/news-and-events/2017/02/28/great-society-wrought-fifty-years-later-marriage-family-poverty/

Johnson cast his vision of the Great Society with strong support not only from most his fellow Democratic Party members but also from large swaths of the Republican Party, including most prominently the Republican leader of the U.S. Senate, Everett Dirksen of Illinois. Dirksen and the president became cohorts for big government.

The promises emanating from the nation’s capital were sometimes borderline mystical: Cities large and small would be built and rebuilt with the federal government as the grand marshal of the funding parade. Poverty would be nearly eradicated from the American scene all together. Racial discrimination would be placed on a pathway to the ash heap of history. The public schools would be gleaming and bright. Families would feel unprecedented stability because Uncle Sam was going to be the new center of its strength and future. The promises seemed endless.

Ironically, the liberals of his own party expressed the most initial misgivings about Johnson’s vision and pledges. But they soon climbed aboard what quickly became a proverbial gravy train of federal spending built upon the central promise of the Great Society: that if the government was not expanded, the alternative would be national chaos rooted in endless upheaval across the nation especially in the urban core. Racial tension had been building since the late 1950s.

The Great Society, Johnson and his allies promised, would be the antidote to this brewing national dysfunction.

As Robert Caro and Randall Woods have made crystalline in their definitive histories of the Johnson era, the president intimidated feckless members of Congress into supporting the new federal leviathan that he was rapidly and systematically creating. Johnson knew how the ‘game’ on Capitol Hill was played because he had become its legendary master during a long tenure as one of the most powerful majority leaders in Senate history. Members of Congress buckled under as so many toy soldiers, acquiescing to Johnson’s seemingly never-ending demands and deals.

1964 will be remembered as one of the most eventful, pivotal years for new legislation ever. It was propelled forward by the sheer political dynamism of Johnson’s personality and outsized ambition. It was rooted in an almost palpable intensity captured so brilliantly and evocatively in HBO’S ALL THE WAY.

It all began with the Economic Opportunity Act, which created Johnson’s ‘war on poverty’ matrix of programs. It was swiftly passed and signed into law. So were the Civil Rights Act and a major tax cut that had been one of President Kennedy’s main economic goals. Even before the tax cut became law, America was experiencing a remarkable boom in the economy, growing at six percent in the years between 1963 and 1966.

That kind of sustained economic growth was both an elixir and catnip to the creators of the modern administrative state because their new government programs could enjoy a steady and large funding stream. Taxpayer dollars would flow into Washington coffers as never before.

Johnson sailed into victory over Goldwater in the ’64 presidential campaign, crushing him by winning an astonishing 61 percent of the vote. Goldwater only won six states. Johnson even surpassed his political hero Franklin Roosevelt’s highest vote totals. Johnson’s landslide election allowed the Democratic Party to dominate both the House and Senate. This massive victory created a political lever of new votes to pass many more of Johnson’s legislative initiatives, including the most far-reaching education bill ever.

A beaming Johnson signed into law both the Elementary and Secondary Education Act and the Higher Education Act, federalizing public and private education in a manner simply unthinkable in the American experience until that time.

Following those victories, Johnson and his team were the architects of two new massive entitlement programs that would provide health care for older Americans and for the poor, Medicare and Medicaid. Never before had there existed a permanent, immovable role for Washington in Americans’ health care coverage.

Medicare had about 20 million people enrolled by 1966; there are 60 million today; there will be 80 million in less than 20 years. Medicaid began with 4 million beneficiaries; today, that number is 70 million.

Johnson didn’t stop there. The Voting Rights Act of 1965 followed, as did the Immigration and Nationality Act which for the first time removed the preference for immigrants from Europe and put into place new safeguards favoring immigrants from Latin America, Africa, and Asia. The goal was to change the ethnic composition of America.

On and on these new gargantuan programs and departments flowed into existence — food stamps, arts and humanities agencies, environmental edicts, a Department of Transportation, and a Department of Housing and Urban Development, to name but a few. The modern welfare state was underway in a mere six months of the new Johnson presidency. It was bewildering.

Only the sky now seemed to be the limit for the propulsive expanse of government, and if it were not for the emergence of major political problems for the Johnson administration by the middle of 1965, one can only speculate what else the White House policy mandarins were planning, including more mandates and edicts from Washington.

What was becoming obvious after this blizzard of new legislation was that most of the funding projections for how much the Great Society would actually cost were not only wrong but wildly inaccurate. A half-century later, we know that the Great Society had cost American taxpayers a staggering $22 trillion. The annual cost of the entitlements alone, when coupled with Social Security and Obamacare, had helped contribute to a national debt surpassing $20 trillion and growing.

50 years after most of the Great Society programs were cemented into
place and underway, it is almost impossible to measure the damage they
inflicted on the most vulnerable marriages and families in the United
States. This is perhaps the most dismal legacy of the Johnson years,
and a sad testament to the vision of social planners who believed more
government would mean stronger families and marriages.
Instead, by incentivizing government funding of single mothers who did not marry the fathers of their children, and by expanding the panoply of welfare state programs to Americans who were already experiencing serious stress and hardship, a series of significant problems became an unstoppable conflagration often referred to as a tangle of pathologies.

Millions of Americans were soon engulfed in permanent chaos and dysfunction.. Major metropolitan areas were comprised of block upon block of victimized children, broken families, and shattered lives.

A plague of fatherlessness ensued, leading to nearly 72 percent of all American black children being born without married parents by 2015. Marriage had become a rare and distant thing.

Did it have to be this way? When Johnson came to office in late 1963, more than 90 percent of all American babies had married parents. The 1960 census showed that nearly 9 of every 10 children from birth to 18 years of age lived with two married parents.

In fact, between 1940 and 1965, illegitimately had grown from 4 percent to 8 percent, but in the 25 years that would follow, those numbers would dramatically jump to nearly 30 percent by 1990.

Today more than 40 percent of all Americans are born to unmarried mothers. More than 3 of every 10 children live in some arrangement other than a two parent home. Cohabitation continues to climb, and has become the acceptable norm for millions of Americans. The most recent Census Bureau report says barely half of all American children are living with both married biological parents.

On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 05:02:44 +1000
"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

> And no source is available unless you pay an insane price.
>
> Try again.

My Gawd but you are slow!

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/road-network-size-by-country

Road Network Size by Country 2024
United States 6,586,610
India 6,371,847
China 5,200,000
Brazil 2,000,000
Russia 1,283,387
Japan 1,218,772
France 1,053,215
Canada 1,042,300
Austral 873,573
Germany 830,000

Fucking learn how to use a search engine, mmm'k?

On 4/27/2024 11:04 AM, Little@man.Ball wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 02:15:39 -0000 (UTC)
> Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
>
>> China now has over 130,000 kilometers of highways nationwide,
>
> To connect their empty cities:
>
> https://youtu.be/mt-Pa5s5zZI
>
> The skyscrapers are empty, the streets are without traffic, and a chilling silence emanates throughout the area. These are the scenes of China’s ghost cities.
>
> These streets resemble abandoned or evacuated cities from a zombie or
> nuclear apocalypse movie. But nobody even lived here in the first place.

Sounds like San Francisco and Oakland, soon.

On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 13:34:49 -0700
Ruined by Democrats <cough@dumb.voters> wrote:

> On 4/27/2024 11:04 AM, Little@man.Ball wrote:
> > On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 02:15:39 -0000 (UTC)
> > Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
> >
> >> China now has over 130,000 kilometers of highways nationwide,
> >
> > To connect their empty cities:
> >
> > https://youtu.be/mt-Pa5s5zZI
> >
> > The skyscrapers are empty, the streets are without traffic, and a
> > chilling silence emanates throughout the area. These are the scenes
> > of China’s ghost cities.
> >
> > These streets resemble abandoned or evacuated cities from a zombie
> > or nuclear apocalypse movie. But nobody even lived here in the
> > first place.
>
> Sounds like San Francisco and Oakland, soon.
>

At least that'll cut back on all the street poo.

Little@man.Ball <suck@ra.mentos> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> And lets not forget all those abandoned inChina when the government
>>> subsides ran out.

>> Never happened.

> Why do YOU lie so much??

I never lie.

> https://reason.com/2023/08/23/chinas-e-v-graveyards-are-an-indictment-of-government-policy/

Just because some fuckwit journo claims something for click bait...

> Last week, Bloomberg reported on China's electric vehicle (E.V.)
> "graveyards"—plots of land across the country where hundreds of vehicles
> have been abandoned.

Corse there are never any gas powered collections of abandoned cars, eh ?

> From the outset, the piece places blame on "the excess and wastethat
> can happen when capital floods into a burgeoning industry."

Just because some fuckwit journo claims something for click bait...

> It closes by quoting a Shenzhen–based photographer whocalls the
> graveyards "a result of unconstrained capitalism….

Just because some fuckwit communist photographer
claims something for click bait...

> The waste of resources, the damage to the environment,the vanishing
> wealth, it's a natural consequence."

Just because some fuckwit communist photographer
claims something for click bait...

> Not only does this quote get cause and effect totally wrong,

So why do you wave it around ?

> but it also ignores the fact that China pouredtons of government money
> into the industry.

> China's government first implemented E.V. subsidiesin 2009, spending
> nearly $30 billion by 2022.

Easy to claim...

And whatever they spent, that has produced a viable
export industry which is giving Musk a hell of a problem.

> Buyers could receive rebates of as much as $8,400 per vehicle purchased.
> By the mid-'10s,

Usual up to mindless bullshit.

> Beijing disadvantaged the production of cars with poor fueleconomy, and
> cities like Shijiazhuang and Hangzhou bannedcars with internal
> combustion engines altogether.

Bullshit on the last.

> Companies rushed to market with unimpressive offerings,especially
> compared to their gas-burning counterparts;some got barely 60 miles of
> range per charge.

Fine for a shopping trolley.

> Most were bought by companiesthat would rent them to drivers.

So what ?

> But when the country started paring back incentives in 2019, many
> companies weren't prepared to compete without government cash as a
> backstop and were forced to close, relegating their fleets to molder in
> open fields.

Fuck all companys in fact.

> E.V. graveyards are therefore an indictment of government policy,not
> capitalism. When private entrepreneurs enter into a nascentmarket, they
> put their own capital on the line; their ambition istempered by the
> fear that failure will mean losing their shirt.

And plenty do just that.

> But when the government agrees to cover partof the bill, or requires
> people to use that product,

No one does that.

> then it artificially lowers the risk.

Norway proves that there is no risk.

> China's example shows how subsidies skew the market.

That's what they are MEANT to do, fuckwit.

> With the promise of free money,

There never was any free money, JUST a subsidy.

> hundreds of companies flooded the market withsubstandard products that,
> on their own, stood nochance of competing directly with gas-powered
> cars.

They compete fine when you only need a shopping trolley.

> When the spigot shut off, those companies couldn't survive:

How odd that they did in Norway.

> Bloomberg reports that there are about one-fifth as manyE.V.
> manufacturers in China today as there were in 2019.

Just because some fuckwit journo claims something for click bait...

> Washington could learn from Beijing's example.

Nope.

> The Inflation Reduction Act, passed in 2022,included tax credits for
> buying E.V.s.

Just like every other first world country in the entire fucking world.

> The Electrification Coalition, a nonpartisan organization that
> advocates for the wider adoption of electric vehicles, calledthe law
> "perhaps the most significant legislation to acceleratetransportation
> electrification in U.S. history."

Pity about electrication in general.

Little@man.Ball <suck@ra.mentos> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Scout <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote

>> Complete bullshit with oil and gas and mostof the electricity
>> generation in Norway.

>> And it isnt even true of the air traffic control system in the USA
>> either.

> That is ONE nation in one area

Not with that general claim.

= anecdotal example,

Nope, dope. Its a fact. And so is the other example
that I started that proves that that claim is just another
mindless pig ignorant one eyed lie which you carefully
deleted and I have restored to the quoting.

> clownshow.

While your sig is last, its sposed to have a line with just -- on it in
front of it, child

On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 06:00:24 +1000, Little@man.Ball <suck@ra.mentos> wrote:

> On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 10:36:12 +1000
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 26 Apr 2024 04:35:54 +1000, Scout
>> <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > "Baxter" <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote in message
>> > news:v0dqeo$325s1$2@dont-email.me...
>> >> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in
>> >> news:v0dbka$2v08d$2@dont-email.me:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> "Cal Worthington" <and.his@dog.spot> wrote in message
>> >>> news:v0cd1d$493$1@toxic.dizum.net...
>> >>>> Sales of EVs are slowing - despite the Biden Administration's
>> >>>> push for eco cars
>> >>>> Consumers have complained about a lack of charging
>> >>>> infrastructure in the US
>> >>>> READ MORE: Americans reveal what they REALLY think of their
>> >>>> electric cars
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ex-automotive executives have said America's electric vehicle
>> >>>> push happened 'too soon and too fast', amid slumping EV sales.
>> >>>
>> >>> Basically, anything the government gets involved in becomes a
>> >>> disaster.
>> >>
>> >> Nope. That's propaganda - started by Reagan.
>> >
>> > So homelessness, poverty, crime, illegal immigration, and lower
>> > standards of living are just 'propaganda'?
>>
>> Those are not what became a disaster because govt got involved in
>> that area.

> Another LIE.

We'll see...

> https://hc.edu/news-and-events/2017/02/28/great-society-wrought-fifty-years-later-marriage-family-poverty/

Just because some fuckwit academic claims something...

> Johnson cast his vision of the Great Society

You seriously trying to claim that all the
stuff Scout stupidly listed is all due to LBJ ?

> with strong support not only from most his fellow Democratic Party
> members but also from large swaths of the Republican Party, including
> most prominently the Republican leader of the U.S. Senate, Everett
> Dirksen of Illinois. Dirksen and the president became cohorts for big
> government.

> The promises emanating from the nation’s capital were sometimes
> borderline mystical: Cities large and small would be built and rebuilt
> with the federal government as the grand marshal of the funding parade..

That was never the claim.

> Poverty would be nearly eradicatedfrom the American scene all together.

Even if that had happened, it can't have been
the CAUSE of what Scout stupidly listed.

All the rest of your even sillier shit flushed where it belongs.

Little@dick.Ball <suck@ra.mentos> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>> And no source is available unless you pay an insane price.

>> Try again.

> My Gawd but you are slow!

We'll see...

> https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/road-network-size-by-country

That's not the SOURCE of the numbers in the STATISTA page, fuckwit.

> Road Network Size by Country 2024
> United States 6,586,610
> India 6,371,847
> China 5,200,000

And that blows Scouts stupid claim completely out of the water, again.

> Brazil 2,000,000
> Russia 1,283,387
> Japan 1,218,772
> France 1,053,215
> Canada 1,042,300
> Australia 873,573
> Germany 830,000

Still no SOURCE of those numbers, fuckwit child.

"Little@man.Ball" <suck@ra.mentos> wrote in
news:20240427140631.35d7d94b@234567aaa:

> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 05:02:44 +1000
> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> And no source is available unless you pay an insane price.
>>
>> Try again.
>
> My Gawd but you are slow!
>
> https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/road-network-size-by
> -country
>
> Road Network Size by Country 2024
> United States 6,586,610
> India 6,371,847
> China 5,200,000
> Brazil 2,000,000
> Russia 1,283,387
> Japan 1,218,772
> France 1,053,215
> Canada 1,042,300
> Austral 873,573
> Germany 830,000
>
> Fucking learn how to use a search engine, mmm'k?
>
>

Every source gives different numbers. Guess some of it depends on how you
define "roads" - especially since every country might have a different
definition.

On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 13:13:28 +1000, Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com>
wrote:

> "Little@man.Ball" <suck@ra.mentos> wrote in
> news:20240427140631.35d7d94b@234567aaa:
>
>> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 05:02:44 +1000
>> "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> And no source is available unless you pay an insane price.
>>>
>>> Try again.
>>
>> My Gawd but you are slow!
>>
>> https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/road-network-size-by
>> -country
>>
>> Road Network Size by Country 2024
>> United States 6,586,610
>> India 6,371,847
>> China 5,200,000
>> Brazil 2,000,000
>> Russia 1,283,387
>> Japan 1,218,772
>> France 1,053,215
>> Canada 1,042,300
>> Austral 873,573
>> Germany 830,000

> Every source gives different numbers.

But only 1 claims that China has the most roads

> Guess some of it depends on how you define "roads"

Yeah, the wikipedia/cia claim that there are
no unpaved roads in china is a real worry.

> - especially since every country might have a different definition.

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in
news:op.2mw6q4qibyq249@pvr2.lan:

> On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 13:13:28 +1000, Baxter
> <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote:
>

>
>> Guess some of it depends on how you define "roads"
>
> Yeah, the wikipedia/cia claim that there are
> no unpaved roads in china is a real worry.
>
What kind of stupidity is that? I would expect something like that from
Scut/KKKlaun/Sceeter/etc.

Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote

>>> Guess some of it depends on how you define "roads"

>> Yeah, the wikipedia/cia claim that there are
>> no unpaved roads in china is a real worry.

> What kind of stupidity is that?

Its unclear if it is stupidity. Same for the UK, Germany, Spain etc.

> I would expect something like thatfrom Scut/KKKlaun/Sceeter/etc.

It is actually from the wikipedia article, with the cia cited as the
source in the case of China.

"Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote in news:op.2mycjrnvbyq249
@pvr2.lan:

> Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Baxter <bax02_spamblock@baxcode.com> wrote
>
>>>> Guess some of it depends on how you define "roads"
>
>>> Yeah, the wikipedia/cia claim that there are
>>> no unpaved roads in china is a real worry.
>
>> What kind of stupidity is that?
>
> Its unclear if it is stupidity. Same for the UK, Germany, Spain etc.

I never said anything about "no unpaved roads in China". Puting shit in
other people's mouths is what juvenile, mentally-deficiant conservaturds
do.

>
>> I would expect something like thatfrom Scut/KKKlaun/Sceeter/etc.
>
> It is actually from the wikipedia article, with the cia cited as the
> source in the case of China.
>
Every source is a snapshot in time - some more recent than others, and
every snapshot uses different criteria.

The unescapable fact is that China is building new roads like crazy,
while the US can't even maintain the ones we have.