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* NASA DISCOVR/EPICGerald Kelleher
`* NASA DISCOVR/EPICMikko
 `* NASA DISCOVR/EPICGerald Kelleher
  `* NASA DISCOVR/EPICMartin Brown
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Subject: NASA DISCOVR/EPIC
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 by: Gerald Kelleher - Sun, 27 Aug 2023 10:02 UTC

https://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/

Here is this amazing satellite and they insist on presenting a false orientation of the planet that does not and never will exist.

The current orientation looks something like this as seen from the orbital plane-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_Climate_Observatory#/media/File:EpicEarth-Globespin-tilt-23.4.gif

This isn't a complaint as much as it is a sense of loss at what can be achieved when genuine researchers don't misuse observations.

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 by: Mikko - Mon, 28 Aug 2023 10:32 UTC

On 2023-08-27 10:02:21 +0000, Gerald Kelleher said:

> https://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/
>
> Here is this amazing satellite and they insist on presenting a false
> orientation of the planet that does not and never will exist.

They must show what the camera saw. What else could they do?

Mikko

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Subject: Re: NASA DISCOVR/EPIC
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 by: Gerald Kelleher - Mon, 28 Aug 2023 12:54 UTC

On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:32:09 AM UTC+1, Mikko wrote:
> On 2023-08-27 10:02:21 +0000, Gerald Kelleher said:
>
> > https://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/
> >
> > Here is this amazing satellite and they insist on presenting a false
> > orientation of the planet that does not and never will exist.
> They must show what the camera saw. What else could they do?
>
> Mikko

The image is a distorted view of the Earth around the Equinox to satisfy their awful notion that the planet's divisor pivots annually off the Earth's Equator hence the warped view of our planet with a zero degree inclination instead of its actual inclination to the orbital plane -

https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap210922.html

The North Pole traverses the light hemisphere and is parallel to the orbital plane at all times over the 6 months from the March to September Equinoxes. All they have to do is maintain fixed parallel lines drawn parallel to the orbital plane at the North and South Pole to define the planet's orbital equator around which those Poles and the entire surface turn separate to daily rotation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_Climate_Observatory#/media/File:EpicEarth-Globespin-tilt-23.4.gif

It is an entire waste of a satellite to do what they are currently doing for no good reason. If I knew there was one person with influence in this newsgroup I would urge them to facilitate a modification which displays the true orientation of the Earth to the Sun that supplies our planet with the light hemisphere and dark hemisphere at right angles to the orbital plane.

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 by: Martin Brown - Tue, 29 Aug 2023 09:01 UTC

On 28/08/2023 13:54, Gerald Kelleher wrote:
> On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:32:09 AM UTC+1, Mikko wrote:
>> On 2023-08-27 10:02:21 +0000, Gerald Kelleher said:
>>
>>> https://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/
>>>
>>> Here is this amazing satellite and they insist on presenting a
>>> false orientation of the planet that does not and never will
>>> exist.
>> They must show what the camera saw. What else could they do?
>>
>> Mikko
>
>
> The image is a distorted view of the Earth around the Equinox to
> satisfy their awful notion that the planet's divisor pivots annually
> off the Earth's Equator hence the warped view of our planet with a
> zero degree inclination instead of its actual inclination to the
> orbital plane -
>
> https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap210922.html

You are beyond help. It is an image of what their camera sees!
Nothing more and nothing less.

The satellite shows the image of the Earth as seen from its orbit as the
Earth spins underneath its orbital plane. The only thing that they are
doing is choosing to photograph the sun facing side of our planet to
maximise the amount of natural planetary features that you can see.

The continent of Africa is impressively large from this viewpoint...

> It is an entire waste of a satellite to do what they are currently
> doing for no good reason. If I knew there was one person with
> influence in this newsgroup I would urge them to facilitate a
> modification which displays the true orientation of the Earth to the
> Sun that supplies our planet with the light hemisphere and dark
> hemisphere at right angles to the orbital plane.

They are picking images that have the entire planets surface illuminated
to a good approximation. The intention is to follow weather systems.

I expect their multispectral capability allows them to do that on the
dark side of the planet too, but the pictures are not so pretty.

--
Martin Brown

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 by: Gerald Kelleher - Tue, 29 Aug 2023 09:26 UTC

On Tuesday, August 29, 2023 at 10:01:36 AM UTC+1, Martin Brown wrote:
> On 28/08/2023 13:54, Gerald Kelleher wrote:
> > On Monday, August 28, 2023 at 11:32:09 AM UTC+1, Mikko wrote:
> >> On 2023-08-27 10:02:21 +0000, Gerald Kelleher said:
> >>
> >>> https://epic.gsfc.nasa.gov/
> >>>
> >>> Here is this amazing satellite and they insist on presenting a
> >>> false orientation of the planet that does not and never will
> >>> exist.
> >> They must show what the camera saw. What else could they do?
> >>
> >> Mikko
> >
> >
> > The image is a distorted view of the Earth around the Equinox to
> > satisfy their awful notion that the planet's divisor pivots annually
> > off the Earth's Equator hence the warped view of our planet with a
> > zero degree inclination instead of its actual inclination to the
> > orbital plane -
> >
> > https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap210922.html
> You are beyond help. It is an image of what their camera sees!
> Nothing more and nothing less.
>
> The satellite shows the image of the Earth as seen from its orbit as the
> Earth spins underneath its orbital plane. The only thing that they are
> doing is choosing to photograph the sun facing side of our planet to
> maximise the amount of natural planetary features that you can see.

On the September Equinox, the Earth looks like this-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_Climate_Observatory#/media/File:EpicEarth-Globespin-tilt-23.4.gif

The Earth always remains in the centre of the orbital plane so creates an ecliptic Equator at right angles to the planet's divisor so you are clearly out of your depth when describing "Earth spins underneath its orbital plane" at the level of Copernicus and Galileo-

"The third movement is the declination movement. For the axis of daily rotation is not parallel to the axis of the great circle but is inclined to it by such a part of the circumference, which in our time is almost 23 and a half degrees. Thus the centre of the Earth always remains in the plane of the ecliptic, i.e. on the circumference of a great circle, and its poles revolve, drawing small circles on both sides around the centres equidistant from the axis of the great circle. This movement, too, takes place over a period of almost a year and is almost equal to the revolution of the great wheel" Copernicus, Commentariolus.

I changed the perspective of the axial orientation to the orbital plane rather than the axis defined by the orientation of the divisor (axis of the great circle).

The relationship of the axial orientation of the Earth to the Sun's rotational equator has to change over the course of an orbit as the North Pole crosses the light hemisphere of the Earth over the six months from March to September hence its true orientation looks like this on the June Solstice-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bfEJR2B6w5I

Once again, on the September Equinox, as the North Pole rotated 90 degrees from its position midway across the light hemisphere to lie on the planet's divisor, it looks like this-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deep_Space_Climate_Observatory#/media/File:EpicEarth-Globespin-tilt-23.4.gif

Not like this-

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/n9d3vaU1F7A

There should be no difficulty adjusting imaging to coincide with the description of Copernicus that the North/South Poles maintain a constant position equidistant to the axis of the planet's divisor instead of distorting the imaging to show a zero-degree inclination on the Equinoxes.

It is really only for solar system researchers rather than mathematical theorists and their RA/Dec contrivance. The idea is to give researchers, even those who were originally opposed to new perspectives, a more challenging opportunity to work with observations up close and personal instead of the usual wide sweeping gestures about the structure of the Universe with all its voodoo and bluffing.


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