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Why is Transhumanism Misdirected?

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 by: Raskolynikov - Mon, 8 Jan 2024 19:36 UTC

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him;
male and female created he them.

* * *

1. What does this mean: in the image of God man was created?

2. Does "transhuman" mean "more human" or that being human is
transcended and obsoleted?

3. Are mechanic parts and AI brains to supplement or to completely
outshine and obsolete the creation of God Creator?

4. First, let's go back to basics, the very Genesis report on creation.
God created male and female. In His own image.

What can be more perfect than that?

5. Are our feeble and vulnerable bodies in need for an exoskeleton
enhancement, in imitation of reptiles and turtles?

6. Is the "incarnation" or "in-device-ation" of human mind going to
obsolete reincarnation and/or resurrection?

7. Will debugging of the mind "incarnated" in technology and acquiring
more data replace the need to save the fallen state of man through the
Messiah?

8.1. Data doesn't equal information
(there can be a lot of data that is simply random noise).
8.2. Gathering of information doesn't equal knowledge
(There is a lot of trivial information that doesn't contribute to knowledge)
8.3. Increasing knowledge doesn't amount to wisdom, though it might.
(Our own intelligence sometimes works used against us.)
8.4. Wisdom doesn't equal moral or good decisions
(Ahitophel's advice to Absolom, son of David to sleep with his concubines
in the open really worked for a time for Absolom, but it also brought to his
demise; Babylonians were very wise, as were Egyptians)
8.5. Does enough of good and moral deeds equal salvation?
(The just men of Old Testament could at most wait in Abraham's bosom
with poor Lazarus until the Messiah.)

9. How can a machine become good and moral? Will it not just use
its advantage in intelligence and military capability to exterminate
us as a lower form of existence?
9.1. Are Asimov's laws sufficient, or does the AI or transhuman
being require a better code - maybe based on the Ten Commandments?
9.2. Has mankind made a better set of laws that are not based on
the Ten Commandments, and how it ended up?
9.3. If our own laws always ended in demise in the past, is that the proof
of the supernatural origin of the Ten Commandments? Cosmic or
non-material?

10. The machines eventually wear out and computers became obsoleted
beyond maintenance. How will a transhuman feel if his model is
end-of-life?

Keep on asking questions ...

in the LORD God Merciful, Longsuffering
Amen

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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Wed, 10 Jan 2024 12:29 UTC

Raskolynikov, <news:4f463990-4d12-46e0-bc85-2067dd0c0905n@googlegroups.com>

> Genesis 1:27
> So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him;
> male and female created he them.
>
> * * *
>
> 1. What does this mean: in the image of God man was created?
>
> 2. Does "transhuman" mean "more human" or that being human is
> transcended and obsoleted?
>
> 3. Are mechanic parts and AI brains to supplement or to completely
> outshine and obsolete the creation of God Creator?

There may be no "AI brains", it's an euphemism.
Those who take this euphemism literally, have little brain.
Besides, in this newsgroup, it's off topic.

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 by: Raskolynikov - Wed, 10 Jan 2024 18:26 UTC

Dana srijeda, 10. siječnja 2024. u 13:31:05 UTC+1 korisnik Oleg Smirnov napisao je:
> Raskolynikov, <news:4f463990-4d12-46e0...@googlegroups.com>
> > Genesis 1:27
> > So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him;
> > male and female created he them.
> >
> > * * *
> >
> > 1. What does this mean: in the image of God man was created?
> >
> > 2. Does "transhuman" mean "more human" or that being human is
> > transcended and obsoleted?
> >
> > 3. Are mechanic parts and AI brains to supplement or to completely
> > outshine and obsolete the creation of God Creator?
> There may be no "AI brains", it's an euphemism.
> Those who take this euphemism literally, have little brain.
> Besides, in this newsgroup, it's off topic.

There were little things off topic for Fyodor Ilič Dostoyevsky and Leo Tolstoy.

Interesting, the "Crime and Punishment" was actually my first notion of the fact
that things are not without consequence if I escaped being caught in mischief.

Later I learned proverbs like my father's:
"You cannot do evil and hope for the good."

Or:

What goes around, comes around.
"Everything is returned, everything comes to a payment." from my mother's
favourite song.

Then I came to the point of being bitter and hateful because my parents did
not practice as they spake.

Then I became bitter because I could not either, blaming them for bad karmic
start position. Bhagavad Gita and the concept of karma were wisdom to harlotries
and wanton cruel fun of the "grace of the Lady", a new enligtenment.

After realising that I could not possibly pay the karmic debt or make amends,
I turned back to undeserved Creator's kindness and benevolence.

In the end, the elements will be dissolved in fire and sulfur, and no forcefield
or shield will save Russia or Ukraine alike, or Israel and Palestine alike.
It will be long forgotten who died defending Ukraine, and who died to get more
land from her.

The only thing that will remain is the account of our good deeds and evil done.

2 Peter 3:10
But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens
shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat,
the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

in LORD God Merciful, Longsuffering
Amen

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 by: Oleg Smirnov - Wed, 10 Jan 2024 21:17 UTC

Raskolynikov, <news:c2071825-cca8-4794-a7a7-3c015b74f274n@googlegroups.com>
> Dana srijeda, 10. sijecnja 2024. u 13:31:05 UTC+1 korisnik Oleg Smirnov

>>> 3. Are mechanic parts and AI brains to supplement or to completely
>>> outshine and obsolete the creation of God Creator?
>>
>> There may be no "AI brains", it's an euphemism.
>> Those who take this euphemism literally, have little brain.
>> Besides, in this newsgroup, it's off topic.
>
> There were little things off topic for Fyodor Ilic Dostoyevsky and Leo
> Tolstoy.
>
> Interesting, the "Crime and Punishment" was actually my first notion
> of the fact that things are not without consequence if I escaped being
> caught in mischief.

What does it have to do with AI brains?

Anyway, you could post your thoughts about Dostoyevsky or Tolstoy here.
It would be on topic. Posting Scripture is a bothersome spam, anyone can
read it in many sources, if only this one wants to read it.

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