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* DifferentSn!pe
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 by: Sn!pe - Sat, 27 Apr 2024 14:07 UTC

"You are different from me."
"You are different to me."
"You are different than me."

- which, if any, is more correct?

I have recently seen in this this group the construction:-
"You are different than I am."

- is this correct and if so why?

--
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 by: Bertel Lund Hansen - Sat, 27 Apr 2024 15:01 UTC

Sn!pe wrote:

> "You are different from me."
> "You are different to me."
> "You are different than me."
>
> - which, if any, is more correct?

You are different from me.

An Ngram confirms it very convincingly. The to-version is present, but
the than-version is not.

--
Bertel
Kolt, Denmark

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 by: lar3ryca - Sat, 27 Apr 2024 17:46 UTC

On 2024-04-27 09:01, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Sn!pe wrote:
>
>> "You are different from me."
>> "You are different to me."
>> "You are different than me."
>>
>> - which, if any, is more correct?
>
> You are different from me.
>
> An Ngram confirms it very convincingly. The to-version is present, but
> the than-version is not.

Interesting. I never use the first two, 'from' grates a little, and I
would take 'different to me' to have a different meaning than the other
two, and would sound to me like "in my opinion, you are the different one".

--
Palindromedary: n. A camel with one hump, but two front-ends.
https://palindromedary.us/

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Sat, 27 Apr 2024 19:58 UTC

On 27-Apr-24 15:07, Sn!pe wrote:
> "You are different from me."
> "You are different to me."
> "You are different than me."
>
> - which, if any, is more correct?
>
> I have recently seen in this this group the construction:-
>
> "You are different than I am."
>
> - is this correct and if so why?

You and I differ.

--
Sam Plusnet

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 by: Garrett Wollman - Sat, 27 Apr 2024 21:11 UTC

In article <1qsohe7.1ww7xhewiu1rzN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>,
Sn!pe <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote:

>"You are different from me."
>"You are different to me."
>"You are different than me."
>
>- which, if any, is more correct?

I was taught that "than" may only be used with comparatives.
This is not a rule that I personally observe in my own speech,
however. (I try to be a bit more careful in writing.) I remember
being told off for it when I was in *Finland* so I guess that the same
is true for the BrE-based instructional standard that prevails there.

"Different to" sound like a different dialect but I wouldn't know
which one -- or perhaps a calque from some other language (French?).
"Different from" is the only acceptable construction in my version of
Standard Written English.

>I have recently seen in this this group the construction:-
>
>"You are different than I am."
>
>- is this correct and if so why?

In my dialect no, because different is not a comparative. "You are
(more|less) different [from some unspecified referent] than I am"
would be perfectly grammatical if a bit of an odd statement.

-GAWollman

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 by: Peter Moylan - Sun, 28 Apr 2024 00:28 UTC

On 28/04/24 00:07, Sn!pe wrote:

> "You are different from me."

The traditional form, and I think it's still the most common in AusE.

> "You are different to me."

Found sometimes in BrE.

> "You are different than me."

Found sometimes in AmE.

The opposite forms "similar from" and "similar than" do not seem to exist.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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 by: Rich Ulrich - Sun, 28 Apr 2024 01:56 UTC

On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 21:11:18 -0000 (UTC),
wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) wrote:

>In article <1qsohe7.1ww7xhewiu1rzN%snipeco.2@gmail.com>,
>Sn!pe <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>"You are different from me."
>>"You are different to me."
>>"You are different than me."
>>
>>- which, if any, is more correct?
>
>I was taught that "than" may only be used with comparatives.
>This is not a rule that I personally observe in my own speech,
>however. (I try to be a bit more careful in writing.) I remember
>being told off for it when I was in *Finland* so I guess that the same
>is true for the BrE-based instructional standard that prevails there.
>
>"Different to" sound like a different dialect but I wouldn't know
>which one -- or perhaps a calque from some other language (French?).
>"Different from" is the only acceptable construction in my version of
>Standard Written English.
>
>>I have recently seen in this this group the construction:-
>>
>>"You are different than I am."
>>
>>- is this correct and if so why?
>
>In my dialect no, because different is not a comparative. "You are
>(more|less) different [from some unspecified referent] than I am"
>would be perfectly grammatical if a bit of an odd statement.
>

I agree with these comments. One 'than' I find less jarring:
"That is different than I expected" where 'than' replaces
'from what'.

The Google ngrams display different-than showing up mainly
after 1920. In the century since, the preference for
different-from has dropped (steadily) from a 40-fold ratio to 8-fold.

https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=different+from%2Fdifferent+than&year_start=1920&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3

--
Rich Ulrich

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 by: Steve Hayes - Mon, 29 Apr 2024 03:50 UTC

On Sat, 27 Apr 2024 15:07:07 +0100, snipeco.2@gmail.com (Sn!pe) wrote:

>"You are different from me."
>"You are different to me."
>"You are different than me."
>
>- which, if any, is more correct?

I use all three, but which I use depends on the context.

I mostly use "different from", but in some instances "different to" or
"different than" sound better.

--
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Blog: http://khanya.wordpress.com
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk

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 by: Kerr-Mudd, John - Mon, 29 Apr 2024 11:47 UTC

On Sun, 28 Apr 2024 10:28:06 +1000
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

> On 28/04/24 00:07, Sn!pe wrote:
>
> > "You are different from me."
>
> The traditional form, and I think it's still the most common in AusE.
>
> > "You are different to me."
>
> Found sometimes in BrE.
>
> > "You are different than me."
>
> Found sometimes in AmE.
>
> The opposite forms "similar from" and "similar than" do not seem to exist.
>
"We're all different!" </MP's LoB misquote>
--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

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 by: Snidely - Wed, 1 May 2024 21:28 UTC

Peter Moylan submitted this idea :
> On 28/04/24 00:07, Sn!pe wrote:
>
>> "You are different from me."
>
> The traditional form, and I think it's still the most common in AusE.
>
>> "You are different to me."
>
> Found sometimes in BrE.
>
>> "You are different than me."
>
> Found sometimes in AmE.
>
> The opposite forms "similar from" and "similar than" do not seem to exist.

Maybe "similar by" or "similar at"?

/dps "ignoring 'similar with' because we testing many cuts"
(ignoring, but what about ingoring?)

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lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> writes:
> On 2024-04-27 09:01, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>> Sn!pe wrote:
>>
>>> "You are different from me."
>>> "You are different to me."
>>> "You are different than me."
>>>
>>> - which, if any, is more correct?
>>
>> You are different from me.
>>
>> An Ngram confirms it very convincingly. The to-version is present, but
>> the than-version is not.
>
> Interesting. I never use the first two, 'from' grates a little, and I
> would take 'different to me' to have a different meaning than the
> other two, and would sound to me like "in my opinion, you are the
> different one".

By how much do you differ than me?

Phil
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