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* Looking For A Word :-)Physfitfreak
+* Re: Looking For A Word :-)Silvano
|`- Re: Looking For A Word :-)Physfitfreak
+* Re: Looking For A Word :-)Kyonshi
|`* Re: Looking For A Word :-)Physfitfreak
| +- Re: Looking For A Word :-)Bertel Lund Hansen
| `* Re: Looking For A Word :-)Kyonshi
|  +- Re: Looking For A Word :-)Stefan Ram
|  `* Re: Looking For A Word :-)HenHanna
|   +* Re: Looking For A Word :-) --------- (Deadpan (surrealist) callous cynicism)HenHanna
|   |`* Re: Looking For A Word :-) --------- (Deadpan (surrealist) callous cynicism)Anton Shepelev
|   | +- Re: Looking For A Word :-) --------- (Deadpan (surrealist) callous cynicism)Athel Cornish-Bowden
|   | `* Re: Looking For A Word :-) --------- (Deadpan (surrealist) callous cynicism)HenHanna
|   |  `* Re: Looking For A Word :-) --------- (Deadpan (surrealist) callous cynicism)Anton Shepelev
|   |   `- Re: Looking For A Word :-) --------- (Deadpan (surrealist) callous cynicism)Madhu
|   `- Re: Looking For A Word :-)Kyonshi
`* Re: Looking For A Word :-)Physfitfreak
 +* Re: Looking For A Word :-)Stefan Ram
 |`- Re: Looking For A Word :-)Stefan Ram
 `* Re: Looking For A Word :-)Peter Moylan
  +* Re: Looking For A Word :-)Snidely
  |+* Re: Looking For A Word :-)Rich Ulrich
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  |`* Re: Looking For A Word :-)Peter Moylan
  | +- Re: Looking For A Word :-)Athel Cornish-Bowden
  | +* Re: Looking For A Word :-)Cri-Cri
  | |`- Re: Looking For A Word :-)Stefan Ram
  | `* Re: Looking For A Word :-)Sam Plusnet
  |  `* Re: Looking For A Word :-)Bertel Lund Hansen
  |   +- Re: Looking For A Word :-)lar3ryca
  |   `* Re: Looking For A Word :-)Sam Plusnet
  |    `* Re: Looking For A Word :-)Bertel Lund Hansen
  |     `* Re: Looking For A Word :-)Sam Plusnet
  |      +- Re: Looking For A Word :-)Snidely
  |      `* Re: Looking For A Word :-)Bertel Lund Hansen
  |       `* Re: Looking For A Word :-)Sam Plusnet
  |        `- Re: Looking For A Word :-)Bertel Lund Hansen
  `- Re: Looking For A Word :-)Hibou

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Thu, 25 Apr 2024 21:17 UTC

On 25-Apr-24 5:48, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
>>>> It is possible that this special meaning exists only between one pair of
>>>> ears.
>>>
>>> ... hanging in free air between two persons.
>>
>> Interesting...
>> In the way I intended that phrase, your version wouldn't be 'a pair'.
>
> No, I was stretching it a bit.

I know the Maasi people do that sort of thing.

Proof that you can find anything on the internet:

https://www.customplugs.com/pages/history-of-plugs-and-ear-stretching

--
Sam Plusnet

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 by: Snidely - Thu, 25 Apr 2024 22:46 UTC

On Thursday, Sam Plusnet yelped out that:
> On 25-Apr-24 5:48, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
>> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>
>>>>> It is possible that this special meaning exists only between one pair of
>>>>> ears.
>>>>
>>>> ... hanging in free air between two persons.
>>>
>>> Interesting...
>>> In the way I intended that phrase, your version wouldn't be 'a pair'.
>>
>> No, I was stretching it a bit.
>
> I know the Maasi people do that sort of thing.
>
> Proof that you can find anything on the internet:
>
> https://www.customplugs.com/pages/history-of-plugs-and-ear-stretching

South Pacific, too, until interrupted by Japanese occupation during
WW2.

/dps

--
Maybe C282Y is simply one of the hangers-on, a groupie following a
future guitar god of the human genome: an allele with undiscovered
virtuosity, currently soloing in obscurity in Mom's garage.
Bradley Wertheim, theAtlantic.com, Jan 10 2013

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 by: Bertel Lund Hansen - Fri, 26 Apr 2024 07:21 UTC

Sam Plusnet wrote:

>>>>> It is possible that this special meaning exists only between one pair of
>>>>> ears.
>>>>
>>>> ... hanging in free air between two persons.
>>>
>>> Interesting...
>>> In the way I intended that phrase, your version wouldn't be 'a pair'.
>>
>> No, I was stretching it a bit.
>
> I know the Maasi people do that sort of thing.

And some Danes. I have seen mayby ten people, one of them face to face.

--
Bertel
Kolt, Denmark

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 by: Sam Plusnet - Sun, 28 Apr 2024 00:28 UTC

On 26-Apr-24 8:21, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
>>>>>> It is possible that this special meaning exists only between one pair of
>>>>>> ears.
>>>>>
>>>>> ... hanging in free air between two persons.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting...
>>>> In the way I intended that phrase, your version wouldn't be 'a pair'.
>>>
>>> No, I was stretching it a bit.
>>
>> I know the Maasi people do that sort of thing.
>
> And some Danes. I have seen mayby ten people, one of them face to face.
>
I once worked with someone who had large plugs in both earlobes - plus a
good many other piercings and associated adornments (those normally
visible, and otherwise).
I took great care to _not_ enquire about these - nor be in earshot (sic)
if the topic seemed to be about to be aired.

--
Sam Plusnet

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 by: Bertel Lund Hansen - Sun, 28 Apr 2024 07:49 UTC

Sam Plusnet wrote:

>>>> No, I was stretching it a bit.
>>>
>>> I know the Maasi people do that sort of thing.
>>
>> And some Danes. I have seen mayby ten people, one of them face to face.
>>
> I once worked with someone who had large plugs in both earlobes - plus a
> good many other piercings and associated adornments (those normally
> visible, and otherwise).
> I took great care to _not_ enquire about these - nor be in earshot (sic)
> if the topic seemed to be about to be aired.

I didn't enquire either, and I took care to pretend that I wasn't
affected by the sight which I was.

--
Bertel
Kolt, Denmark

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 by: HenHanna - Wed, 1 May 2024 07:57 UTC

On 4/19/2024 4:38 PM, Kyonshi wrote:
> On 4/13/2024 7:09 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>> On 4/13/24 09:05, Kyonshi wrote:
>>> On 4/12/2024 11:13 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking for a single word in the English language that
>>>> describes, either as a verb, or by an adjective, the following
>>>> reaction from someone who's observing a crime being committed. He is
>>>> addressing the victim. And the crime is that a burglar is stabbing
>>>> the victim inside his bedroom:
>>>>
>>>>   "I don't understand the fuss you make. You are just experiencing
>>>> the effect of the ability of a sharp object penetrating
>>>> body-material. That's all! What else did you think is happening?"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This technique is often used in news media and by the politicians.
>>>> But I don't know the English word for it. Any help?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> to charkle
>>> definition: v. addressing a victim following the observation of a
>>> crime being committed against them
>>>
>>>
>>> Source: me, etymology: came up with it
>>
>>
>> That's not an existing word.
>
> now it is, I have seen it used before. (viz you just quoted it)
>

deadpan irony ?

sarcasm ?

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 by: HenHanna - Wed, 1 May 2024 08:02 UTC

On 5/1/2024 12:57 AM, HenHanna wrote:
> On 4/19/2024 4:38 PM, Kyonshi wrote:
>> On 4/13/2024 7:09 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>> On 4/13/24 09:05, Kyonshi wrote:
>>>> On 4/12/2024 11:13 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking for a single word in the English language that
>>>>> describes, either as a verb, or by an adjective, the following
>>>>> reaction from someone who's observing a crime being committed. He
>>>>> is addressing the victim. And the crime is that a burglar is
>>>>> stabbing the victim inside his bedroom:
>>>>>
>>>>>   "I don't understand the fuss you make. You are just experiencing
>>>>> the effect of the ability of a sharp object penetrating
>>>>> body-material. That's all! What else did you think is happening?"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This technique is often used in news media and by the politicians.
>>>>> But I don't know the English word for it. Any help?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> to charkle
>>>> definition: v. addressing a victim following the observation of a
>>>> crime being committed against them
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Source: me, etymology: came up with it
>>>
>>>
>>> That's not an existing word.
>>
>> now it is, I have seen it used before. (viz you just quoted it)
>>
>
>
>
> deadpan  irony ?
>
> sarcasm ?

The closest term for the cynical humor you described (callous rhetoric
mocking someone's suffering) is gallows humor.

Gallows humor is characterized by humor that confronts serious or
frightening situations with irreverence. It's often used as a coping
mechanism to deal with or distance oneself from a difficult situation.

Here are some other terms that might be relevant depending on the nuance:

Dark humor: Humor that finds humor in morbid subjects.

Black comedy: A genre of comedy that employs dark humor.

Sarcasm: The use of irony to mock or insult someone.

Callous: Showing or feeling a lack of human kindness.

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 by: Kyonshi - Thu, 2 May 2024 08:08 UTC

On 5/1/2024 9:57 AM, HenHanna wrote:

>
> deadpan  irony ?
>
> sarcasm ?

another very interesting discussion

Re: Looking For A Word :-) --------- (Deadpan (surrealist) callous cynicism)

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 by: Anton Shepelev - Sat, 4 May 2024 10:56 UTC

HenHanna:

> The closest term for the cynical humor you described
> (callous rhetoric mocking someone's suffering) is gallows
> humor.
>
> Gallows humor is characterized by humor that confronts
> serious or frightening situations with irreverence. It's
> often used as a coping mechanism to deal with or distance
> oneself from a difficult situation.

LLM warning. I fear Hen Hanna decepting us by posting AI-
generated texts as he wrote them.

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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Sat, 4 May 2024 14:07 UTC

On 2024-05-04 10:56:21 +0000, Anton Shepelev said:

> HenHanna:
>
>> The closest term for the cynical humor you described
>> (callous rhetoric mocking someone's suffering) is gallows
>> humor.
>>
>> Gallows humor is characterized by humor that confronts
>> serious or frightening situations with irreverence. It's
>> often used as a coping mechanism to deal with or distance
>> oneself from a difficult situation.
>
> LLM warning. I fear Hen Hanna decepting

is deceiving

> us by posting AI-
> generated texts as he wrote them.

I gave up on HenHanna long ago. Why don't you?

--
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in England until 1987.

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 by: HenHanna - Sun, 5 May 2024 18:18 UTC

On 5/4/2024 3:56 AM, Anton Shepelev wrote:
> HenHanna:
>
>> The closest term for the cynical humor you described
>> (callous rhetoric mocking someone's suffering) is gallows
>> humor.
>>
>> Gallows humor is characterized by humor that confronts
>> serious or frightening situations with irreverence. It's
>> often used as a coping mechanism to deal with or distance
>> oneself from a difficult situation.
>
> LLM warning. I fear Hen Hanna decepting us by posting AI-
> generated texts as he wrote them.
>
-------- (Maybe you can get English help from Navi)

i'm not trying to decept anyone...
... Remember the discussions arguing about
whether HenHanna is a Bot or not?

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 by: Anton Shepelev - Mon, 6 May 2024 11:40 UTC

HenHanna to Anton Shepelev:

> > LLM warning. I fear Hen Hanna decepting us by posting
> > AI-generated texts as he wrote them.
>
> i'm not trying to decept anyone...

The following fragment from your answer does not in the
least resemble your very specific punctuation, formatting,
(lack of) capitalisation, and style:

> The closest term for the cynical humor you described
> (callous rhetoric mocking someone's suffering) is gallows
> humor.
>
> Gallows humor is characterized by humor that confronts
> serious or frightening situations with irreverence. It's
> often used as a coping mechanism to deal with or distance
> oneself from a difficult situation.

It is an integral part of your post rather than an
explicitly attributed quotation. In my opinion, however,
you copied it from elsewhere than your own mind, such as an
encyclopedia or (more likely) the oupput of an LLM. Well,
did you?

> ... Remember the discussions arguing about whether
> HenHanna is a Bot or not?

I know you are a human.

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* Anton Shepelev
<20240506144020.a0e1d8048d021c687ad38d6b@g{oogle}mail.com> :
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ (try looking at this in
graphical gnus)
Wrote on Mon, 6 May 2024 14:40:20 +0300:
> [HenHanna]
> It is an integral part of your post rather than an
> explicitly attributed quotation. In my opinion, however,
> you copied it from elsewhere than your own mind, such as an
> encyclopedia or (more likely) the oupput of an LLM. Well,
> did you?

busted by indentation.

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