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by: Lionel Edwards - Sun, 29 Oct 2023 20:04 UTC

"If only you believe like I believe baby we'd get by"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f93RCCbij4c

"If only you believed" or "we'll get by" surely?

If anybody can detect a line that doesn't mix its tenses in this great
song, then good for you :)

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by: Peter T. Daniels - Mon, 30 Oct 2023 13:16 UTC

On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 4:04:19 PM UTC-4, Lionel Edwards wrote:

> "If only you believe like I believe baby we'd get by"
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f93RCCbij4c
>
> "If only you believed" or "we'll get by" surely?
>
> If anybody can detect a line that doesn't mix its tenses in this great
> song, then good for you :)

Lyrics are made to be sung, not parsed.

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by: Lionel Edwards - Mon, 30 Oct 2023 15:32 UTC

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 1:16:19 PM UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 4:04:19 PM UTC-4, Lionel Edwards wrote:
>
> > "If only you believe like I believe baby we'd get by"
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f93RCCbij4c
> >
> > "If only you believed" or "we'll get by" surely?
> >
> > If anybody can detect a line that doesn't mix its tenses in this great
> > song, then good for you :)
> Lyrics are made to be sung, not parsed.

Yes but we can also make it literate. "Couched in our indifference
like shells upon the shore" for example:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nntOYUODSV0

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by: Peter T. Daniels - Mon, 30 Oct 2023 16:09 UTC

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-4, Lionel Edwards wrote:
> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 1:16:19 PM UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 4:04:19 PM UTC-4, Lionel Edwards wrote:

> > > "If only you believe like I believe baby we'd get by"
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f93RCCbij4c
> > > "If only you believed" or "we'll get by" surely?
> > > If anybody can detect a line that doesn't mix its tenses in this great
> > > song, then good for you :)
> > Lyrics are made to be sung, not parsed.
>
> Yes but we can also make it literate. "Couched in our indifference
> like shells upon the shore" for example:

"You aren't anything but a hound dog."

"I can't get any satisfaction."

"She loves you, yes, yes, yes."
(The Joyce estate might have raised an eyebrow at that one.)

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nntOYUODSV0

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by: Michèle - Mon, 30 Oct 2023 16:28 UTC

Peter T. Daniels <petertdaniels@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> "She loves you, yes, yes, yes."
> (The Joyce estate might have raised an eyebrow at that one.)
>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nntOYUODSV0
>
Superbe !

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by: Peter Moylan - Mon, 30 Oct 2023 23:44 UTC

On 31/10/23 03:09, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-4, Lionel Edwards wrote:
>> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 1:16:19 PM UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

>>> Lyrics are made to be sung, not parsed.
>>
>> Yes but we can also make it literate. "Couched in our indifference
>> like shells upon the shore" for example:
>
> "You aren't anything but a hound dog."
>
> "I can't get any satisfaction."
>
> "She loves you, yes, yes, yes."

He was her man,
But he was doing her incorrectly.

--
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by: Jerry Friedman - Tue, 31 Oct 2023 03:52 UTC

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 5:44:47 PM UTC-6, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 31/10/23 03:09, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-4, Lionel Edwards wrote:
> >> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 1:16:19 PM UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> >>> Lyrics are made to be sung, not parsed.
> >>
> >> Yes but we can also make it literate. "Couched in our indifference
> >> like shells upon the shore" for example:
> >
> > "You aren't anything but a hound dog."
> >
> > "I can't get any satisfaction."
> >
> > "She loves you, yes, yes, yes."
>
> He was her man,
> But he was doing her incorrectly.

LOL

--
Jerry Friedman

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by: Janet - Tue, 31 Oct 2023 08:46 UTC

In article <uhpf4v$m835$1@dont-email.me>,
peter@pmoylan.org.invalid says...
>
> On 31/10/23 03:09, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-4, Lionel Edwards wrote:
> >> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 1:16:19 PM UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> >>> Lyrics are made to be sung, not parsed.
> >>
> >> Yes but we can also make it literate. "Couched in our indifference
> >> like shells upon the shore" for example:
> >
> > "You aren't anything but a hound dog."
> >
> > "I can't get any satisfaction."
> >
> > "She loves you, yes, yes, yes."
>
> He was her man,
> But he was doing her incorrectly.

Surely that should now be

Ey was eir person,
But ey was doing them incorrectly.

Janet

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by: Peter T. Daniels - Tue, 31 Oct 2023 14:47 UTC

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 11:52:11 PM UTC-4, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 5:44:47 PM UTC-6, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > On 31/10/23 03:09, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-4, Lionel Edwards wrote:
> > >> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 1:16:19 PM UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

Literally.
Pre-plagiarized.

I can't think of any Beach Boys lyrics that aren't Standard-grammatical!

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by: Lionel Edwards - Tue, 31 Oct 2023 15:05 UTC

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 2:47:42 PM UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 11:52:11 PM UTC-4, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 5:44:47 PM UTC-6, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > > On 31/10/23 03:09, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-4, Lionel Edwards wrote:
> > > >> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 1:16:19 PM UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> > > >>> Lyrics are made to be sung, not parsed.
> > > >> Yes but we can also make it literate. "Couched in our indifference
> > > >> like shells upon the shore" for example:
> > > > "You aren't anything but a hound dog."
> > > > "I can't get any satisfaction."
> > > > "She loves you, yes, yes, yes."
> > > He was her man,
> > > But he was doing her incorrectly.
> >
> > LOL
> Literally.
> Pre-plagiarized.
>
> I can't think of any Beach Boys lyrics that aren't Standard-grammatical!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwgGuadsqyo

"She'll walk a Thunderbird like she's standing still".

"If that ain't enough to make you flip your lid".

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by: Peter T. Daniels - Tue, 31 Oct 2023 15:40 UTC

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:05:03 AM UTC-4, Lionel Edwards wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 2:47:42 PM UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 11:52:11 PM UTC-4, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 5:44:47 PM UTC-6, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > > > On 31/10/23 03:09, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-4, Lionel Edwards wrote:
> > > > >> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 1:16:19 PM UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> > > > >>> Lyrics are made to be sung, not parsed.
> > > > >> Yes but we can also make it literate. "Couched in our indifference
> > > > >> like shells upon the shore" for example:
> > > > > "You aren't anything but a hound dog."
> > > > > "I can't get any satisfaction."
> > > > > "She loves you, yes, yes, yes."
> > > > He was her man,
> > > > But he was doing her incorrectly.
> > > LOL
> > Literally.
> > Pre-plagiarized.
> > I can't think of any Beach Boys lyrics that aren't Standard-grammatical!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwgGuadsqyo

"Little Deuce Coupe," a love song to a car

> "She'll walk a Thunderbird like she's standing still".

The conjunction "like" ha been part of the language for a very long time.

> "If that ain't enough to make you flip your lid".

Puttin' on airs, talkin' like Lord Peter!

But you missed the one -- again and again -- that you should have noticed
on two counts:

"You don't know what I got"

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by: Lionel Edwards - Tue, 31 Oct 2023 16:15 UTC

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 3:40:47 PM UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:05:03 AM UTC-4, Lionel Edwards wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 2:47:42 PM UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 11:52:11 PM UTC-4, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 5:44:47 PM UTC-6, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > > > > On 31/10/23 03:09, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > > > > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-4, Lionel Edwards wrote:
> > > > > >> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 1:16:19 PM UTC, Peter T.. Daniels wrote:
>
> > > > > >>> Lyrics are made to be sung, not parsed.
> > > > > >> Yes but we can also make it literate. "Couched in our indifference
> > > > > >> like shells upon the shore" for example:
> > > > > > "You aren't anything but a hound dog."
> > > > > > "I can't get any satisfaction."
> > > > > > "She loves you, yes, yes, yes."
> > > > > He was her man,
> > > > > But he was doing her incorrectly.
> > > > LOL
> > > Literally.
> > > Pre-plagiarized.
> > > I can't think of any Beach Boys lyrics that aren't Standard-grammatical!
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwgGuadsqyo
> "Little Deuce Coupe," a love song to a car
> > "She'll walk a Thunderbird like she's standing still".
> The conjunction "like" has been part of the language for a very long time..

"She'll walk like she's standing still"? Maybe Brian Wilson foresaw this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS9oPdlax0s

> > "If that ain't enough to make you flip your lid".
> Puttin' on airs, talkin' like Lord Peter!
>
> But you missed the one -- again and again -- that you should have noticed
> on two counts:
>
> "You don't know what I got"

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by: lar3ryca - Tue, 31 Oct 2023 16:49 UTC

On 2023-10-30 17:44, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 31/10/23 03:09, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-4, Lionel Edwards wrote:
>>> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 1:16:19 PM UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
>>>> Lyrics are made to be sung, not parsed.
>>>
>>> Yes but we can also make it literate. "Couched in our indifference
>>> like shells upon the shore" for example:
>>
>> "You aren't anything but a hound dog."
>>
>> "I can't get any satisfaction."
>>
>> "She loves you, yes, yes, yes."
>
> He was her man,
> But he was doing her incorrectly.

Coincidentally, a local radio station is currently running a contest
called 'Thesaurus', in which listeners are asked to call in to participate.

The idea is that they are presented with some lyrics that have been
translated to have synonyms, and they must guess the name of the song to
win.

--
I got tired of being accused of having no sense of direction,
so I packed up my things and right.

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by: Peter T. Daniels - Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:18 UTC

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 12:15:34 PM UTC-4, Lionel Edwards wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 3:40:47 PM UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:05:03 AM UTC-4, Lionel Edwards wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 2:47:42 PM UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 11:52:11 PM UTC-4, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> > > > > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 5:44:47 PM UTC-6, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > > > > > On 31/10/23 03:09, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > > > > > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-4, Lionel Edwards wrote:
> > > > > > >> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 1:16:19 PM UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> > > > > > >>> Lyrics are made to be sung, not parsed.
> > > > > > >> Yes but we can also make it literate. "Couched in our indifference
> > > > > > >> like shells upon the shore" for example:
> > > > > > > "You aren't anything but a hound dog."
> > > > > > > "I can't get any satisfaction."
> > > > > > > "She loves you, yes, yes, yes."
> > > > > > He was her man,
> > > > > > But he was doing her incorrectly.
> > > > > LOL
> > > > Literally.
> > > > Pre-plagiarized.
> > > > I can't think of any Beach Boys lyrics that aren't Standard-grammatical!
> > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwgGuadsqyo
> > "Little Deuce Coupe," a love song to a car
> > > "She'll walk a Thunderbird like she's standing still".
> > The conjunction "like" has been part of the language for a very long time.
>
> "She'll walk like she's standing still"?

You've mistaken the anaphora. The first "she" is the singer's Deuce Coupe,
the second "she" is the pathetically underpowered T-bird. (Maybe it's even
the one that Daddy took away -- presumably a girlie car.).

> Maybe Brian Wilson foresaw this:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XS9oPdlax0s

I'm certainly not going to watch 13 1/2 minutes of Michael Jackson
to find out what you're talking about. Simply the existence of the
Moonwalk?

> > > "If that ain't enough to make you flip your lid".
> > Puttin' on airs, talkin' like Lord Peter!
> > But you missed the one -- again and again -- that you should have noticed
> > on two counts:
> > "You don't know what I got"

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by: Peter T. Daniels - Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:20 UTC

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 12:49:13 PM UTC-4, lar3ryca wrote:
> On 2023-10-30 17:44, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > On 31/10/23 03:09, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-4, Lionel Edwards wrote:
> >>> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 1:16:19 PM UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> >>>> Lyrics are made to be sung, not parsed.
> >>> Yes but we can also make it literate. "Couched in our indifference
> >>> like shells upon the shore" for example:
> >> "You aren't anything but a hound dog."
> >> "I can't get any satisfaction."
> >> "She loves you, yes, yes, yes."
> > He was her man,
> > But he was doing her incorrectly.
>
> Coincidentally, a local radio station is currently running a contest
> called 'Thesaurus', in which listeners are asked to call in to participate.
>
> The idea is that they are presented with some lyrics that have been
> translated to have synonyms, and they must guess the name of the song to
> win.

*Jeopardy!* yesterday. "Shakespeare versions of pop lyrics."

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by: Dingbat - Tue, 31 Oct 2023 19:14 UTC

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 10:50:22 PM UTC+5:30, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 12:49:13 PM UTC-4, lar3ryca wrote:
> > On 2023-10-30 17:44, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > > On 31/10/23 03:09, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > >> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-4, Lionel Edwards wrote:
> > >>> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 1:16:19 PM UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> > >>>> Lyrics are made to be sung, not parsed.
> > >>> Yes but we can also make it literate. "Couched in our indifference
> > >>> like shells upon the shore" for example:
> > >> "You aren't anything but a hound dog."
> > >> "I can't get any satisfaction."
> > >> "She loves you, yes, yes, yes."
> > > He was her man,
> > > But he was doing her incorrectly.
> >
> > Coincidentally, a local radio station is currently running a contest
> > called 'Thesaurus', in which listeners are asked to call in to participate.
> >
> > The idea is that they are presented with some lyrics that have been
> > translated to have synonyms, and they must guess the name of the song to
> > win.
> *Jeopardy!* yesterday. "Shakespeare versions of pop lyrics."
>
Do you have a link?
Back when Alex Trebek was host, this Jeopardy category was priceless:
Shakespeare rewrites the Beatles
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFwL1mYIKA4>
The clues were excerpts from Shakespeare.
The responses were titles of Beatles songs.

Check this out this Final Jeopardy question:
Languages of Asia
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIUeOqDLSvI>
Perhaps it's a poser for Americans; I found it too easy.

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by: Peter T. Daniels - Tue, 31 Oct 2023 21:09 UTC

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 3:14:31 PM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 10:50:22 PM UTC+5:30, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 12:49:13 PM UTC-4, lar3ryca wrote:
> > > On 2023-10-30 17:44, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > > > On 31/10/23 03:09, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > > >> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-4, Lionel Edwards wrote:
> > > >>> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 1:16:19 PM UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

> > > >>>> Lyrics are made to be sung, not parsed.
> > > >>> Yes but we can also make it literate. "Couched in our indifference
> > > >>> like shells upon the shore" for example:
> > > >> "You aren't anything but a hound dog."
> > > >> "I can't get any satisfaction."
> > > >> "She loves you, yes, yes, yes."
> > > > He was her man,
> > > > But he was doing her incorrectly.
> > > Coincidentally, a local radio station is currently running a contest
> > > called 'Thesaurus', in which listeners are asked to call in to participate.
> > > The idea is that they are presented with some lyrics that have been
> > > translated to have synonyms, and they must guess the name of the song to
> > > win.
> > *Jeopardy!* yesterday. "Shakespeare versions of pop lyrics."
>
> Do you have a link?

No, but apparently it's easy enough to find each day's arrays.
Q did it every so often.

> Back when Alex Trebek was host, this Jeopardy category was priceless:
> Shakespeare rewrites the Beatles
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFwL1mYIKA4>
> The clues were excerpts from Shakespeare.
> The responses were titles of Beatles songs.

That's exactly what it was.

!!!!!! The first four were _exactly the same_!!!

> Check this out this Final Jeopardy question:
> Languages of Asia
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIUeOqDLSvI>
> Perhaps it's a poser for Americans; I found it too easy.

I didn't get it. But I also didn't see that item -- must have been
one of the times I dozed off during the interminable last commercial
break. (Or, if it was last Friday, I forgot to change the channel to it!)

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by: Paul Wolff - Thu, 2 Nov 2023 23:08 UTC

On Tue, 31 Oct 2023, at 08:46:30, Janet posted:
>In article <uhpf4v$m835$1@dont-email.me>,
>peter@pmoylan.org.invalid says...
>>
>> On 31/10/23 03:09, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> > On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 11:32:40 AM UTC-4, Lionel Edwards wrote:
>> >> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 1:16:19 PM UTC, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>
>> >>> Lyrics are made to be sung, not parsed.
>> >>
>> >> Yes but we can also make it literate. "Couched in our indifference
>> >> like shells upon the shore" for example:
>> >
>> > "You aren't anything but a hound dog."
>> >
>> > "I can't get any satisfaction."
>> >
>> > "She loves you, yes, yes, yes."
>>
>> He was her man,
>> But he was doing her incorrectly.
>
> Surely that should now be
>
> Ey was eir person,
> But ey was doing them incorrectly.
>
"But ey was doing them misservice" brings a more pleasing dimension into
that.
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If only you believe like I believe...	Lionel Edwards
Re: If only you believe like I believe...	Peter T. Daniels
Re: If only you believe like I believe...	Lionel Edwards
Re: If only you believe like I believe...	Peter T. Daniels
Re: If only you believe like I believe...	Michèle
Re: If only you believe like I believe...	Peter Moylan
Re: If only you believe like I believe...	Jerry Friedman
Re: If only you believe like I believe...	Peter T. Daniels
Re: If only you believe like I believe...	Lionel Edwards
Re: If only you believe like I believe...	Peter T. Daniels
Re: If only you believe like I believe...	Lionel Edwards
Re: If only you believe like I believe...	Peter T. Daniels
Re: If only you believe like I believe...	Janet
Re: If only you believe like I believe...	Paul Wolff
Re: If only you believe like I believe...	lar3ryca
Re: If only you believe like I believe...	Peter T. Daniels
Re: If only you believe like I believe...	Dingbat
Re: If only you believe like I believe...	Peter T. Daniels