"It is impossible for an Englishman to open his mouth without making
some other Englishman hate or despise him" - GBS.

Is it true now? Was it ever?

On 22/10/2023 09:29, Hibou wrote:
> "It is impossible for an Englishman to open his mouth without making
> some other Englishman hate or despise him" - GBS.
>
> Is it true now? Was it ever?

I cannot speak for Englishmen, but this sounds like a variation on the
theme of the Groucho Marx line: "I refuse to join any club that would
have me as a member."

Peter T. Daniels <petertdaniels@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 3:29:23?AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
> > "It is impossible for an Englishman to open his mouth without making
> > some other Englishman hate or despise him" - GBS.
> >
> > Is it true now? Was it ever?
>
> Whatever kind of "socialist" he proclaimed himself to be was no
> socialist.
>
> His ignorance in such matters was profound; it merely reflected
> the prejudices of his age and perhaps a bit of an Irish inferiority
> complex..

As opposed to Americans of course, who are never ingnorant,
and thereby superior to all...

Jan

On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 4:27:04 PM UTC-4, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Peter T. Daniels <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 3:29:23?AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:

> > > "It is impossible for an Englishman to open his mouth without making
> > > some other Englishman hate or despise him" - GBS.
> > > Is it true now? Was it ever?
> > Whatever kind of "socialist" he proclaimed himself to be was no
> > socialist.
> > His ignorance in such matters was profound; it merely reflected
> > the prejudices of his age and perhaps a bit of an Irish inferiority
> > complex..
>
> As opposed to Americans of course, who are never ingnorant,
> and thereby superior to all...

You're not likely to find American playwrights trying to tell American
audiences how to talk.

On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 9:35:50 PM UTC+1, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 4:27:04 PM UTC-4, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Peter T. Daniels <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 3:29:23?AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
>
> > > > "It is impossible for an Englishman to open his mouth without making
> > > > some other Englishman hate or despise him" - GBS.
> > > > Is it true now? Was it ever?
> > > Whatever kind of "socialist" he proclaimed himself to be was no
> > > socialist.
> > > His ignorance in such matters was profound; it merely reflected
> > > the prejudices of his age and perhaps a bit of an Irish inferiority
> > > complex..
> >
> > As opposed to Americans of course, who are never ingnorant,
> > and thereby superior to all...
> You're not likely to find American playwrights trying to tell American
> audiences how to talk.

Unlike the Dutch in Pygmalion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKRuG4oIu_o

In article <90d64ca5-e551-45b0-a427-
8d45a7bc6176n@googlegroups.com>, petertdaniels@gmail.com
says...
>
> On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 4:27:04 PM UTC-4, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Peter T. Daniels <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 3:29:23?AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
>
> > > > "It is impossible for an Englishman to open his mouth without making
> > > > some other Englishman hate or despise him" - GBS.
> > > > Is it true now? Was it ever?
> > > Whatever kind of "socialist" he proclaimed himself to be was no
> > > socialist.
> > > His ignorance in such matters was profound; it merely reflected
> > > the prejudices of his age and perhaps a bit of an Irish inferiority
> > > complex..
> >
> > As opposed to Americans of course, who are never ingnorant,
> > and thereby superior to all...
>
> You're not likely to find American playwrights trying to tell American
> audiences how to talk.

Have you seen "Pretty Woman"?

Janet

In article <14625bc4-ef7e-4e6a-a5ed-
918c804b3992n@googlegroups.com>, lioneledwards61@gmail.com
says...
>
> On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 9:35:50 PM UTC+1, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 4:27:04 PM UTC-4, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > Peter T. Daniels <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 3:29:23?AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
> >
> > > > > "It is impossible for an Englishman to open his mouth without making
> > > > > some other Englishman hate or despise him" - GBS.
> > > > > Is it true now? Was it ever?
> > > > Whatever kind of "socialist" he proclaimed himself to be was no
> > > > socialist.
> > > > His ignorance in such matters was profound; it merely reflected
> > > > the prejudices of his age and perhaps a bit of an Irish inferiority
> > > > complex..
> > >
> > > As opposed to Americans of course, who are never ingnorant,
> > > and thereby superior to all...
> > You're not likely to find American playwrights trying to tell American
> > audiences how to talk.
>
> Unlike the Dutch in Pygmalion.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKRuG4oIu_o

Pygmalion was first staged in German, in Vienna.

Janet

On 22/10/2023 23:08, Lionel Edwards wrote:
> On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 9:35:50 PM UTC+1, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 4:27:04 PM UTC-4, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>> Peter T. Daniels <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Sunday, October 22, 2023 at 3:29:23?AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
>>
>>>>> "It is impossible for an Englishman to open his mouth without making
>>>>> some other Englishman hate or despise him" - GBS.
>>>>> Is it true now? Was it ever?
>>>> Whatever kind of "socialist" he proclaimed himself to be was no
>>>> socialist.
>>>> His ignorance in such matters was profound; it merely reflected
>>>> the prejudices of his age and perhaps a bit of an Irish inferiority
>>>> complex..
>>>
>>> As opposed to Americans of course, who are never ingnorant,
>>> and thereby superior to all...
>> You're not likely to find American playwrights trying to tell American
>> audiences how to talk.
>
> Unlike the Dutch in Pygmalion.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKRuG4oIu_o
>

Hilarious. This was in the days when Heineken used to make funny adverts.

Here's another which is up your street. (I believe the subject was
discussed in another AUE thread, under a different guise.)

<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Se0d3spD5o>

Le 23/10/2023 à 01:23, Janet a écrit :
> petertdaniels@gmail.com says...
>>
>> You're not likely to find American playwrights trying to tell American
>> audiences how to talk.
>
> Have you seen "Pretty Woman"?

(Strangely, I see people replying to PTD in this thread, but not his
messages. I do see his messages in other threads.)

As I see it, the main problem is finding an alternative to "The rain in
Spain falls mainly in the plain", now that droughts are so frequent there.

occam wrote:

> Hilarious. This was in the days when Heineken used to make funny adverts.
>
> Here's another which is up your street. (I believe the subject was
> discussed in another AUE thread, under a different guise.)
>
> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Se0d3spD5o>

I like this one:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKRuG4oIu_o

--
Bertel, Denmark

On 23/10/2023 12:00, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> occam wrote:
>
>> Hilarious. This was in the days when Heineken used to make funny adverts.
>>
>> Here's another which is up your street. (I believe the subject was
>> discussed in another AUE thread, under a different guise.)
>>
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Se0d3spD5o>
>
> I like this one:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKRuG4oIu_o
>

You realise it's the same one pointed at by Lionel? (I like it too, a lot.)

On 23/10/2023 11:21, Hibou wrote:
> Le 23/10/2023 à 01:23, Janet a écrit :
>> petertdaniels@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>> You're not likely to find American playwrights trying to tell American
>>> audiences how to talk.
>>
>>    Have you seen "Pretty Woman"?
>
> (Strangely, I see people replying to PTD in this thread, but not his
> messages. I do see his messages in other threads.)
>
> As I see it, the main problem is finding an alternative to "The rain in
> Spain falls mainly in the plain", now that droughts are so frequent there.
>

"The floods in Spain drain right off the plain." Howzat?

On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 10:21:53 +0100
Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

> Le 23/10/2023 à 01:23, Janet a écrit :
> > petertdaniels@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> You're not likely to find American playwrights trying to tell American
> >> audiences how to talk.
> >
> > Have you seen "Pretty Woman"?
>
> (Strangely, I see people replying to PTD in this thread, but not his
> messages. I do see his messages in other threads.)

Many NG providers have blocked posts from gmail due to Google
failing to stop a recent spate of spam abuse coming from gmail accounts.

>
> As I see it, the main problem is finding an alternative to "The rain in
> Spain falls mainly in the plain", now that droughts are so frequent there.
>

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

occam wrote:

>>> Hilarious. This was in the days when Heineken used to make funny adverts.
>>>
>>> Here's another which is up your street. (I believe the subject was
>>> discussed in another AUE thread, under a different guise.)
>>>
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Se0d3spD5o>
>>
>> I like this one:
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKRuG4oIu_o
>>
>
> You realise it's the same one pointed at by Lionel? (I like it too, a lot.)

No, I don't. The title of his is:

Heineken refreshes the poets other beers cannot reach

The title of mine is:

Heineken Advert Full - The Water in Majorca

and the footages are completely different.

--
Bertel, Denmark

Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:

>> You realise it's the same one pointed at by Lionel? (I like it too, a lot.)

Now I see that I don't have Lionel's message - I don't know why.

--
Bertel, Denmark

On 23/10/23 20:21, Hibou wrote:
>
> (Strangely, I see people replying to PTD in this thread, but not his
> messages. I do see his messages in other threads.)

Likewise here, and I too am using eternal-september. Wasn't there a
recent eternal-september policy announcement about blocking messages
from Google Groups?

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

On 23 Oct 2023, occam wrote

> On 22/10/2023 23:08, Lionel Edwards wrote:

(snip)

>> Unlike the Dutch in Pygmalion.
>>
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GKRuG4oIu_o
> Hilarious. This was in the days when Heineken used to make funny
> adverts.
> Here's another which is up your street. (I believe the subject was
> discussed in another AUE thread, under a different guise.)
>
><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Se0d3spD5o>

Going off topic, the humour in this advert isn't language-related, but
it always made me smile:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EiBNtGSzrp4
&list=PLTmXYqP44KFXpqmBb1ETRz576TpyPyeAz&index=1

--
Cheers, Harvey

Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

> Le 23/10/2023 à 01:23, Janet a écrit :
> > petertdaniels@gmail.com says...
> >>
> >> You're not likely to find American playwrights trying to tell American
> >> audiences how to talk.
> >
> > Have you seen "Pretty Woman"?
>
> (Strangely, I see people replying to PTD in this thread, but not his
> messages. I do see his messages in other threads.)
>
> As I see it, the main problem is finding an alternative to "The rain in
> Spain falls mainly in the plain", now that droughts are so frequent there.

Why? It is still as true as it was,

Jan

Op 23/10/2023 om 6:21 schreef Hibou:
> Le 23/10/2023 à 01:23, Janet a écrit :
>> petertdaniels@gmail.com says...
>>>
>>> You're not likely to find American playwrights trying to tell American
>>> audiences how to talk.
>>
>>    Have you seen "Pretty Woman"?
>
> (Strangely, I see people replying to PTD in this thread, but not his
> messages. I do see his messages in other threads.)
>
> As I see it, the main problem is finding an alternative to "The rain in
> Spain falls mainly in the plain", now that droughts are so frequent there.

Replace falls with fails?

--
guido wugi

On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 7:12:20 AM UTC-4, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 10:21:53 +0100
> Hibou <vpaereru-u...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:

> > (Strangely, I see people replying to PTD in this thread, but not his
> > messages. I do see his messages in other threads.)
>
> Many NG providers have blocked posts from gmail due to Google
> failing to stop a recent spate of spam abuse coming from gmail accounts.

Do you really not read what you respond to?

"I do see his messages in other threads."

On 24/10/23 03:42, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Monday, October 23, 2023 at 7:12:20 AM UTC-4, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>> On Mon, 23 Oct 2023 10:21:53 +0100
>> Hibou <vpaereru-u...@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> (Strangely, I see people replying to PTD in this thread, but not his
>>> messages. I do see his messages in other threads.)
>>
>> Many NG providers have blocked posts from gmail due to Google
>> failing to stop a recent spate of spam abuse coming from gmail accounts.
>
> Do you really not read what you respond to?
>
> "I do see his messages in other threads."

Earlier comments, though, do suggest that the blocking by E-S is
intermittent.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

Le 23/10/2023 à 17:42, Peter T. Daniels a écrit :
>
> Do you really not read what you respond to?
>
> "I do see his messages in other threads."

I see that one, and I can see it's authentic.

Le 23/10/2023 à 16:10, wugi a écrit :
> Op 23/10/2023 om 6:21 schreef Hibou:
>>
>> As I see it, the main problem is finding an alternative to "The rain
>> in Spain falls mainly in the plain", now that droughts are so frequent
>> there.
>
> Replace falls with fails?

Yes - just right for a dry sense of humour.

On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 2:06:21 AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
> Le 23/10/2023 à 16:10, wugi a écrit :
> > Op 23/10/2023 om 6:21 schreef Hibou:

> >> As I see it, the main problem is finding an alternative to "The rain
> >> in Spain falls mainly in the plain", now that droughts are so frequent
> >> there.
> > Replace falls with fails?
>
> Yes - just right for a dry sense of humour.

Isn't it actually "stays," maintaining the assonance?

Op 24/10/2023 om 11:32 schreef Peter T. Daniels:
> On Tuesday, October 24, 2023 at 2:06:21 AM UTC-4, Hibou wrote:
>> Le 23/10/2023 à 16:10, wugi a écrit :
>>> Op 23/10/2023 om 6:21 schreef Hibou:
>
>>>> As I see it, the main problem is finding an alternative to "The rain
>>>> in Spain falls mainly in the plain", now that droughts are so frequent
>>>> there.
>>> Replace falls with fails?
>>
>> Yes - just right for a dry sense of humour.
>
> Isn't it actually "stays," maintaining the assonance?

Yes!
The rine in spine steyes minely in the pline.

--
guido wugi