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 by: Nick - Thu, 1 Feb 2024 07:34 UTC

The Western fight against the tide of history

Catastrophic policy may be blamed on a lack of self-awareness, or the
belief that the world sees the West the way the West sees itself
by Jan Krikke

Jan Krikke

Jan Krikke is a former Japan correspondent for various media, former
managing editor of Asia 2000 in Hong Kong, and author of Creating a
Planetary Culture: European Science, Chinese Art, and Indian Transcendence
(2023).

Talk of war is getting louder in the West. The German minister of defense
proclaimed this month that Germany has to rebuild its army, as did his
British colleague.

At the start of the war in Ukraine two years ago, the Western media
depicted the Russian military as hopelessly ineffective, outdated, and
corrupt. Yet in recent weeks, Russia has become an imminent danger that
requires the rearmament of Europe.

On the other side of the world, we see a similar transformation. In 1972,
the West signed up for the one-China policy. Last year, high-ranking
Western government officials made widely publicized visits to Taiwan in
support of “pro-democracy forces.”

Earlier, in 2020, the US Congress passed the Hong Kong Autonomy Act that
imposed sanctions on officials and entities in Hong Kong and mainland
China that violate “Hong Kong’s autonomy.”

https://asiatimes.com/2024/01/the-western-fight-against-the-tide-of-history/

Оставям на Ивайло разнищването на автора и на източника на новината, само
ще му напомня, че публикацията е в раздел "Opinion".

--
«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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Subject: Re:_The_Western_fight_against_the_tide_of_history_

From: ivaylopi69@gmail.com (Ivaylo Ivanov)
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 by: Ivaylo Ivanov - Thu, 1 Feb 2024 14:58 UTC

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 2:34:21 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:
> The Western fight against the tide of history
Проблема не е автора или източника (макар тяхната ориентация да е ясна).
Проблема е марксистката идея за "прилив" (посока) на историята.
Между другото, не мога да разбера защо уж вещи хора продължават да
настояват, че замразените руски авоари били "долорови" когато над 90% са
в евро и европейски ценни книжа.
Останалото е очаквана позиция за публикация контролирана от ККП.
>
> Catastrophic policy may be blamed on a lack of self-awareness, or the
> belief that the world sees the West the way the West sees itself
> by Jan Krikke
>
> Jan Krikke
>
> Jan Krikke is a former Japan correspondent for various media, former
> managing editor of Asia 2000 in Hong Kong, and author of Creating a
> Planetary Culture: European Science, Chinese Art, and Indian Transcendence
> (2023).
>
> Talk of war is getting louder in the West. The German minister of defense
> proclaimed this month that Germany has to rebuild its army, as did his
> British colleague.
>
> At the start of the war in Ukraine two years ago, the Western media
> depicted the Russian military as hopelessly ineffective, outdated, and
> corrupt. Yet in recent weeks, Russia has become an imminent danger that
> requires the rearmament of Europe.
>
> On the other side of the world, we see a similar transformation. In 1972,
> the West signed up for the one-China policy. Last year, high-ranking
> Western government officials made widely publicized visits to Taiwan in
> support of “pro-democracy forces.”
>
> Earlier, in 2020, the US Congress passed the Hong Kong Autonomy Act that
> imposed sanctions on officials and entities in Hong Kong and mainland
> China that violate “Hong Kong’s autonomy.”
>
> …
>
> https://asiatimes.com/2024/01/the-western-fight-against-the-tide-of-history/
>
> Оставям на Ивайло разнищването на автора и на източника на новината, само
> ще му напомня, че публикацията е в раздел "Opinion".
>
> --
> «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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 by: Nick - Thu, 1 Feb 2024 19:31 UTC

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 06:58:52 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 2:34:21 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

>> The Western fight against the tide of history

> Проблема не е автора или източника (макар тяхната ориентация да е ясна).
> Проблема е марксистката идея за "прилив" (посока) на историята.

Марксистка? Фукуяма марксист?

> Между другото, не мога да разбера защо уж вещи хора продължават да
> настояват, че замразените руски авоари били "долорови" когато над 90% са
> в евро и европейски ценни книжа.

Не знам, не разбира. Явно или не са толкова вещи или са прекалено обсебени
от долара и всичко изразяват с него.

> Останалото е очаквана позиция за публикация контролирана от ККП.

Jan Krikke китаец?! Или намекваш, че е купен от тях?

>> Catastrophic policy may be blamed on a lack of self-awareness, or the
>> belief that the world sees the West the way the West sees itself by Jan
>> Krikke

>> Jan Krikke

>> Jan Krikke is a former Japan correspondent for various media, former
>> managing editor of Asia 2000 in Hong Kong, and author of Creating a
>> Planetary Culture: European Science, Chinese Art, and Indian
>> Transcendence (2023).

>> Talk of war is getting louder in the West. The German minister of
>> defense proclaimed this month that Germany has to rebuild its army, as
>> did his British colleague.

>> At the start of the war in Ukraine two years ago, the Western media
>> depicted the Russian military as hopelessly ineffective, outdated, and
>> corrupt. Yet in recent weeks, Russia has become an imminent danger that
>> requires the rearmament of Europe.

>> On the other side of the world, we see a similar transformation. In
>> 1972,
>> the West signed up for the one-China policy. Last year, high-ranking
>> Western government officials made widely publicized visits to Taiwan in
>> support of “pro-democracy forces.”

>> Earlier, in 2020, the US Congress passed the Hong Kong Autonomy Act
>> that imposed sanctions on officials and entities in Hong Kong and
>> mainland China that violate “Hong Kong’s autonomy.”

>> …

>> https://asiatimes.com/2024/01/the-western-fight-against-the-tide-of-
history/

>> Оставям на Ивайло разнищването на автора и на източника на новината,
>> само ще му напомня, че публикацията е в раздел "Opinion".

--
«地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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 by: Ivaylo Ivanov - Thu, 1 Feb 2024 22:08 UTC

On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 2:31:24 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:
> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 06:58:52 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 2:34:21 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:
>
> >> The Western fight against the tide of history
>
> > Проблема не е автора или източника (макар тяхната ориентация да е ясна).
> > Проблема е марксистката идея за "прилив" (посока) на историята.
> Марксистка? Фукуяма марксист?
Човека има типично марксистко мислене. Не съм първият, който го е отбелязал.
> > Между другото, не мога да разбера защо уж вещи хора продължават да
> > настояват, че замразените руски авоари били "долорови" когато над 90% са
> > в евро и европейски ценни книжа.
> Не знам, не разбира. Явно или не са толкова вещи или са прекалено обсебени
> от долара и всичко изразяват с него.
По-вероятно второто, но странното е колко разпространена е тази (несъстоятелна)
теза. Все пак става въпрос за лесно проверими данни.
> > Останалото е очаквана позиция за публикация контролирана от ККП.
> Jan Krikke китаец?! Или намекваш, че е купен от тях?
Jan Krikke работи за медия контролирана от ККП.
> >> Catastrophic policy may be blamed on a lack of self-awareness, or the
> >> belief that the world sees the West the way the West sees itself by Jan
> >> Krikke
>
> >> Jan Krikke
>
> >> Jan Krikke is a former Japan correspondent for various media, former
> >> managing editor of Asia 2000 in Hong Kong, and author of Creating a
> >> Planetary Culture: European Science, Chinese Art, and Indian
> >> Transcendence (2023).
>
> >> Talk of war is getting louder in the West. The German minister of
> >> defense proclaimed this month that Germany has to rebuild its army, as
> >> did his British colleague.
>
> >> At the start of the war in Ukraine two years ago, the Western media
> >> depicted the Russian military as hopelessly ineffective, outdated, and
> >> corrupt. Yet in recent weeks, Russia has become an imminent danger that
> >> requires the rearmament of Europe.
>
> >> On the other side of the world, we see a similar transformation. In
> >> 1972,
> >> the West signed up for the one-China policy. Last year, high-ranking
> >> Western government officials made widely publicized visits to Taiwan in
> >> support of “pro-democracy forces.”
>
> >> Earlier, in 2020, the US Congress passed the Hong Kong Autonomy Act
> >> that imposed sanctions on officials and entities in Hong Kong and
> >> mainland China that violate “Hong Kong’s autonomy.”
>
> >> …
>
> >> https://asiatimes.com/2024/01/the-western-fight-against-the-tide-of-
> history/
>
> >> Оставям на Ивайло разнищването на автора и на източника на новината,
> >> само ще му напомня, че публикацията е в раздел "Opinion".
>
> --
> «地 球 誕 生 在 牛 市 的 小 時 — Earth is born in the Bull's hour»

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 by: Chorbalan Chorbalano - Fri, 2 Feb 2024 00:13 UTC

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 07:34:18 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

> Оставям на Ивайло

Той е замрял и едносричен напоследък, чудя се да не е болен или се е
отнесал по някое гадже?

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 by: Nick - Fri, 2 Feb 2024 05:04 UTC

On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 14:08:08 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

> On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 2:31:24 PM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

>> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 06:58:52 -0800 (PST), Ivaylo Ivanov wrote:

>> > On Thursday, February 1, 2024 at 2:34:21 AM UTC-5, Nick wrote:

>> >> The Western fight against the tide of history

>> > Проблема не е автора или източника (макар тяхната ориентация да е
>> > ясна).

>> > Проблема е марксистката идея за "прилив" (посока) на историята.

>> Марксистка? Фукуяма марксист?

> Човека има типично марксистко мислене. Не съм първият, който го е
> отбелязал.

Фукуяма?

Виж се сам какво казваш за „доларовите“ активи на Русия - всички говорели
за тях, а такива всъщност няма. Така че това, че сте двама, мислещи автора
за марксист, не го прави такъв.

>> > Между другото, не мога да разбера защо уж вещи хора продължават да
>> > настояват, че замразените руски авоари били "долорови" когато над 90%
>> > са в евро и европейски ценни книжа.

>> Не знам, не разбира. Явно или не са толкова вещи или са прекалено
>> обсебени от долара и всичко изразяват с него.

> По-вероятно второто, но странното е колко разпространена е тази
> (несъстоятелна) теза. Все пак става въпрос за лесно проверими данни.

Е, явно са като теб - проверяват данните, когато им изнася.

>> > Останалото е очаквана позиция за публикация контролирана от ККП.

>> Jan Krikke китаец?! Или намекваш, че е купен от тях?

> Jan Krikke работи за медия, контролирана от ККП.

Аха, работи значи. Според теб такова нещо като „независим“ автор няма 8-)

Стъпваш на хлъзгаво, да знаеш.

>> >> Catastrophic policy may be blamed on a lack of self-awareness, or
>> >> the belief that the world sees the West the way the West sees itself
>> >> by Jan Krikke

>> >> Jan Krikke

>> >> Jan Krikke is a former Japan correspondent for various media, former
>> >> managing editor of Asia 2000 in Hong Kong, and author of Creating a
>> >> Planetary Culture: European Science, Chinese Art, and Indian
>> >> Transcendence (2023).

>> >> Talk of war is getting louder in the West. The German minister of
>> >> defense proclaimed this month that Germany has to rebuild its army,
>> >> as did his British colleague.

>> >> At the start of the war in Ukraine two years ago, the Western media
>> >> depicted the Russian military as hopelessly ineffective, outdated,
>> >> and corrupt. Yet in recent weeks, Russia has become an imminent
>> >> danger that requires the rearmament of Europe.

>> >> On the other side of the world, we see a similar transformation. In
>> >> 1972,
>> >> the West signed up for the one-China policy. Last year, high-ranking
>> >> Western government officials made widely publicized visits to Taiwan
>> >> in support of “pro-democracy forces.”

>> >> Earlier, in 2020, the US Congress passed the Hong Kong Autonomy Act
>> >> that imposed sanctions on officials and entities in Hong Kong and
>> >> mainland China that violate “Hong Kong’s autonomy.”

>> >> …

>> >> https://asiatimes.com/2024/01/the-western-fight-against-the-tide-of-
>> history/

>> >> Оставям на Ивайло разнищването на автора и на източника на новината,
>> >> само ще му напомня, че публикацията е в раздел "Opinion".

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On Fri, 2 Feb 2024 00:13:37 -0000 (UTC), Chorbalan Chorbalanov
Chorbalanski wrote:

> On Thu, 1 Feb 2024 07:34:18 -0000 (UTC), Nick wrote:

>> Оставям на Ивайло

> Той е замрял и едносричен напоследък, чудя се да не е болен или се е
> отнесал по някое гадже?

Явно не, ако съдим по последния му отговор ;)

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