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by: arthurvv vart - Thu, 1 Feb 2024 11:49 UTC

1) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
clever. From that, we managed to find .the cat hiding there.

2) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
clever. By that, we managed to find .the cat hiding there.

3) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
clever. Because of that, we managed to find .the cat hiding there.

4) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
clever. Thanks to that, we managed to find .the cat hiding there.

Which are grammatical?

--
Gratefully,
Navi

Lost in the Twilight Zone of the English language
Interested in strange structures
Obsessed with ambiguity

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by: HenHanna - Wed, 7 Feb 2024 19:25 UTC

took out the period(.) in [.the cat]

On 2/1/2024 3:49 AM, arthurvv vart wrote:
> 1) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
> clever. From that, we managed to find the cat hiding there.
>
> 2) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
> clever. By that, we managed to find the cat hiding there.
>
> 3) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
> clever. Because of that, we managed to find the cat hiding there.
>
> 4) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
> clever. Thanks to that, we managed to find the cat hiding there.
>
> Which are grammatical?
>

i like the last one (4) best, .... (1) is ok too.

this more a pragmatic(?) question than a grammar?

Tom suggested that we check the roof-top.
Thanks to that great suggestion, we managed to find the cat hiding there.

Tom suggested roof-top, and found the cat there.

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by: Hibou - Thu, 8 Feb 2024 08:27 UTC

Le 01/02/2024 à 11:49, arthurvv vart a écrit :
>
> 1) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
> clever. From that, we managed to find .the cat hiding there.
>
> 2) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
> clever. By that, we managed to find .the cat hiding there.
>
> 3) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
> clever. Because of that, we managed to find .the cat hiding there.
>
> 4) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
> clever. Thanks to that, we managed to find .the cat hiding there.
>
> Which are grammatical?

I'm no grammarian, but they all seem limping to me. I don't see the
point in making up unnatural-sounding sentences to explore ambiguity
when there is so much real ambiguity in what people say.

Tom suggested we go up to the roof. That was clever. It was there the
cat was hiding.

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by: Janet - Thu, 8 Feb 2024 16:07 UTC

In article <uq238o$1sq46$1@dont-email.me>, vpaereru-
unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid says...
>
> Le 01/02/2024 à 11:49, arthurvv vart a écrit :
> >
> > 1) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
> > clever. From that, we managed to find .the cat hiding there.
> >
> > 2) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
> > clever. By that, we managed to find .the cat hiding there.
> >
> > 3) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
> > clever. Because of that, we managed to find .the cat hiding there.
> >
> > 4) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
> > clever. Thanks to that, we managed to find .the cat hiding there.
> >
> > Which are grammatical?
>
> I'm no grammarian, but they all seem limping to me. I don't see the
> point in making up unnatural-sounding sentences to explore ambiguity
> when there is so much real ambiguity in what people say.
>
> Tom suggested we go up to the roof. That was clever. It was there the
> cat was hiding.

Tom's suggestion was only clever, if he and his
companion were actively searching for a missing cat.

If the cat was neither missing or hiding, it would be
sufficient to say

"We found a cat on the roof".
Simple, clear, elegant.

Janet

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by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Thu, 8 Feb 2024 16:32 UTC

On 2024-02-08 16:07:14 +0000, Janet said:

> In article <uq238o$1sq46$1@dont-email.me>, vpaereru-
> unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid says...
>>
>> Le 01/02/2024 à 11:49, arthurvv vart a écrit :
>>>
>>> 1) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
>>> clever. From that, we managed to find .the cat hiding there.
>>>
>>> 2) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
>>> clever. By that, we managed to find .the cat hiding there.
>>>
>>> 3) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
>>> clever. Because of that, we managed to find .the cat hiding there.
>>>
>>> 4) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
>>> clever. Thanks to that, we managed to find .the cat hiding there.
>>>
>>> Which are grammatical?
>>
>> I'm no grammarian, but they all seem limping to me. I don't see the
>> point in making up unnatural-sounding sentences to explore ambiguity
>> when there is so much real ambiguity in what people say.
>>
>> Tom suggested we go up to the roof. That was clever. It was there the
>> cat was hiding.
>
> Tom's suggestion was only clever, if he and his
> companion were actively searching for a missing cat.
>
> If the cat was neither missing or hiding, it would be
> sufficient to say
>
> "We found a cat on the roof".
>
> Simple, clear, elegant.

navi doesn't do "Simple, clear, elegant".

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

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by: Sam Plusnet - Thu, 8 Feb 2024 19:27 UTC

On 08-Feb-24 16:07, Janet wrote:
> In article <uq238o$1sq46$1@dont-email.me>, vpaereru-
> unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid says...
>>
>> Le 01/02/2024 à 11:49, arthurvv vart a écrit :
>>>
>>> 1) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
>>> clever. From that, we managed to find .the cat hiding there.
>>>
>>> 2) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
>>> clever. By that, we managed to find .the cat hiding there.
>>>
>>> 3) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
>>> clever. Because of that, we managed to find .the cat hiding there.
>>>
>>> 4) Tom suggested that we go up to the roof. That was
>>> clever. Thanks to that, we managed to find .the cat hiding there.
>>>
>>> Which are grammatical?
>>
>> I'm no grammarian, but they all seem limping to me. I don't see the
>> point in making up unnatural-sounding sentences to explore ambiguity
>> when there is so much real ambiguity in what people say.
>>
>> Tom suggested we go up to the roof. That was clever. It was there the
>> cat was hiding.
>
> Tom's suggestion was only clever, if he and his
> companion were actively searching for a missing cat.
>
> If the cat was neither missing or hiding, it would be
> sufficient to say
>
> "We found a cat on the roof".
>
> Simple, clear, elegant.

"It was a hot tin roof. Guess what we found?"

--
Sam Plusnet

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