"there shall be wars and rumors of wars ... but see that ye not be troubled"

Can anybody offer any recent contemporary examples?

On 19/11/2023 4:31 p.m., bozo de niro wrote:
> "there shall be wars and rumors of wars ... but see that ye not be troubled"

Who's "they"?
You mean what did Jesus mean?
Seems pretty straightforward to me. What puzzles you?

> Can anybody offer any recent contemporary examples?

Examples of what?
Do you know of any period of history when there weren't "wars and rumors
of wars"?

* Ross Clark <ujcl4k$3os57$1 @dont-email.me> :
Wrote on Sun, 19 Nov 2023 22:39:25 +1300:
[Matt 24:6]
> Do you know of any period of history when there weren't "wars and
> rumors of wars"?

Solomon's reign is reputed to be entirely of peace --- the only one when
no wars were fought in Israel, and that God gave solomon peace. I've
seen this mentioned in serveral places (though I cant pull up a
reference atm).

(1 chronicles 22:9) Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a
man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about:
for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto
Israel in his days.

However The bible talks about God preparing adversaries of Israel during
Solomon's reign, presumably they didn't attack when he was alive.

(2kings)
11:14 And the LORD stirred up an adversary unto Solomon, Hadad the
Edomite: he was of the king's seed in Edom.

11:23 And God stirred him up another adversary, Rezon the son of
Eliadah, which fled from his lord Hadadezer king of Zobah:

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 15:55:38 +0530
Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:

> * Ross Clark <ujcl4k$3os57$1 @dont-email.me> :
> Wrote on Sun, 19 Nov 2023 22:39:25 +1300:
> [Matt 24:6]
> > Do you know of any period of history when there weren't "wars and
> > rumors of wars"?
>
> Solomon's reign is reputed to be entirely of peace --- the only one when
> no wars were fought in Israel, and that God gave solomon peace. I've
> seen this mentioned in serveral places (though I cant pull up a
> reference atm).
>
> (1 chronicles 22:9) Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a
> man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about:
> for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto
> Israel in his days.
>
> However The bible talks about God preparing adversaries of Israel during
> Solomon's reign, presumably they didn't attack when he was alive.
>
> (2kings)
> 11:14 And the LORD stirred up an adversary unto Solomon, Hadad the
> Edomite: he was of the king's seed in Edom.
>
> 11:23 And God stirred him up another adversary, Rezon the son of
> Eliadah, which fled from his lord Hadadezer king of Zobah:

Why do that? He's a petty vengeful kind of God, that one.

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:

> * Ross Clark <ujcl4k$3os57$1 @dont-email.me> :
> Wrote on Sun, 19 Nov 2023 22:39:25 +1300:
> [Matt 24:6]
> > Do you know of any period of history when there weren't "wars and
> > rumors of wars"?
>
> Solomon's reign is reputed to be entirely of peace --- the only one when
> no wars were fought in Israel, and that God gave solomon peace. I've
> seen this mentioned in serveral places (though I cant pull up a
> reference atm).

Not too hard, for a king who exists by repute only,

Jan

On 2023-11-19 10:52:10 +0000, Kerr-Mudd, John said:

> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 15:55:38 +0530
> Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>
>> * Ross Clark <ujcl4k$3os57$1 @dont-email.me> :
>> Wrote on Sun, 19 Nov 2023 22:39:25 +1300:
>> [Matt 24:6]
>>> Do you know of any period of history when there weren't "wars and
>>> rumors of wars"?
>>
>> Solomon's reign is reputed to be entirely of peace --- the only one when
>> no wars were fought in Israel, and that God gave solomon peace. I've
>> seen this mentioned in serveral places (though I cant pull up a
>> reference atm).
>>
>> (1 chronicles 22:9) Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a
>> man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about:
>> for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto
>> Israel in his days.
>>
>> However The bible talks about God preparing adversaries of Israel during
>> Solomon's reign, presumably they didn't attack when he was alive.
>>
>> (2kings)
>> 11:14 And the LORD stirred up an adversary unto Solomon, Hadad the
>> Edomite: he was of the king's seed in Edom.
>>
>> 11:23 And God stirred him up another adversary, Rezon the son of
>> Eliadah, which fled from his lord Hadadezer king of Zobah:
>
> Why do that? He's a petty vengeful kind of God, that one.

Well, we knew that. Think about his command to utterly destroy Amalek,
massacring men, women, infants and sucklings, sparing not even the
camels and donkeys.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

* Athel Cornish-Bowden <kru9mtFehbtU1 @mid.individual.net> :
Wrote on Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:26:21 +0100:
> Well, we knew that. Think about his command to utterly destroy Amalek,
> massacring men, women, infants and sucklings, sparing not even the
> camels and donkeys.

You missed PTD's bible-study recommendation of Jonah. After punishing
Jonah in the belly of the sea-monster, he sends a reluctant Jonah back
to Nineveh to deliver what both He and Jonah would be a false prophecy,
the destruction of Nineveh, and when he proclaimed that,

3:5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and
put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.

[...]

3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and
God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them;
and he did it not.

And jonah is of course exceedingly angry, and I commend reading the
chapter relating the dealing-with of the petulant Jonah for yourself,
but the chapter become vexed by it ends with these lines:

4:9 And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd?
And he said, I do well to be angry, even unto death.

4:10 Then said the LORD, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which
thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a
night, and perished in a night:

4:11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more
then sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right
hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?

This indicates the concern of God which is inconsistent with the
propaganda.

--- also the two sparrows (matt.) or five sparrrow (luke)

https://www.gocomics.com/peanuts/1971/08/11

Snoopy and Woodstock sit on the doghouse. Snoopy looks at a book
and reads, "Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies?"

Snoopy continues to read, "Fear not; you are of more value than
many sparrows." Woodstock looks surprised.

Snoopy reads, "Look at the birds of the air . . . Are you not of
more value than they?" Woodstock looks confused.

Snoopy thinks, "Woodstock gets kind of disturbed by some of
these scriptures . . ." Woodstock looks shocked.

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 15:55:38 +0530, Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:

>* Ross Clark <ujcl4k$3os57$1 @dont-email.me> :
>Wrote on Sun, 19 Nov 2023 22:39:25 +1300:
>[Matt 24:6]
>> Do you know of any period of history when there weren't "wars and
>> rumors of wars"?
>
>Solomon's reign is reputed to be entirely of peace --- the only one when
>no wars were fought in Israel, and that God gave solomon peace. I've
>seen this mentioned in serveral places (though I cant pull up a
>reference atm).

I know nothing about Solomon's reign, but I'll point out that Israel
was (and still is) a very small part of the world. Perhaps there were
no wars and rumors of wars in Israel, but...

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:26:21 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
<athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 2023-11-19 10:52:10 +0000, Kerr-Mudd, John said:
>
>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 15:55:38 +0530
>> Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>>
>>> * Ross Clark <ujcl4k$3os57$1 @dont-email.me> :
>>> Wrote on Sun, 19 Nov 2023 22:39:25 +1300:
>>> [Matt 24:6]
>>>> Do you know of any period of history when there weren't "wars and
>>>> rumors of wars"?
>>>
>>> Solomon's reign is reputed to be entirely of peace --- the only one when
>>> no wars were fought in Israel, and that God gave solomon peace. I've
>>> seen this mentioned in serveral places (though I cant pull up a
>>> reference atm).
>>>
>>> (1 chronicles 22:9) Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a
>>> man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about:
>>> for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto
>>> Israel in his days.
>>>
>>> However The bible talks about God preparing adversaries of Israel during
>>> Solomon's reign, presumably they didn't attack when he was alive.
>>>
>>> (2kings)
>>> 11:14 And the LORD stirred up an adversary unto Solomon, Hadad the
>>> Edomite: he was of the king's seed in Edom.
>>>
>>> 11:23 And God stirred him up another adversary, Rezon the son of
>>> Eliadah, which fled from his lord Hadadezer king of Zobah:
>>
>> Why do that? He's a petty vengeful kind of God, that one.
>
>Well, we knew that. Think about his command to utterly destroy Amalek,
>massacring men, women, infants and sucklings, sparing not even the
>camels and donkeys.

Why wouldn't an omnipotent god simply do that himself?

On 19-Nov-23 10:52, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 15:55:38 +0530
> Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>
>> * Ross Clark <ujcl4k$3os57$1 @dont-email.me> :
>> Wrote on Sun, 19 Nov 2023 22:39:25 +1300:
>> [Matt 24:6]
>>> Do you know of any period of history when there weren't "wars and
>>> rumors of wars"?
>>
>> Solomon's reign is reputed to be entirely of peace --- the only one when
>> no wars were fought in Israel, and that God gave solomon peace. I've
>> seen this mentioned in serveral places (though I cant pull up a
>> reference atm).
>>
>> (1 chronicles 22:9) Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a
>> man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about:
>> for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto
>> Israel in his days.
>>
>> However The bible talks about God preparing adversaries of Israel during
>> Solomon's reign, presumably they didn't attack when he was alive.
>>
>> (2kings)
>> 11:14 And the LORD stirred up an adversary unto Solomon, Hadad the
>> Edomite: he was of the king's seed in Edom.
>>
>> 11:23 And God stirred him up another adversary, Rezon the son of
>> Eliadah, which fled from his lord Hadadezer king of Zobah:
>
> Why do that? He's a petty vengeful kind of God, that one.
>
True. He was down with all that smiting.

Maybe still is, for ought I know.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 19-Nov-23 13:44, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:26:21 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
> <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-11-19 10:52:10 +0000, Kerr-Mudd, John said:
>>
>>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 15:55:38 +0530
>>> Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> * Ross Clark <ujcl4k$3os57$1 @dont-email.me> :
>>>> Wrote on Sun, 19 Nov 2023 22:39:25 +1300:
>>>> [Matt 24:6]
>>>>> Do you know of any period of history when there weren't "wars and
>>>>> rumors of wars"?
>>>>
>>>> Solomon's reign is reputed to be entirely of peace --- the only one when
>>>> no wars were fought in Israel, and that God gave solomon peace. I've
>>>> seen this mentioned in serveral places (though I cant pull up a
>>>> reference atm).
>>>>
>>>> (1 chronicles 22:9) Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a
>>>> man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about:
>>>> for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto
>>>> Israel in his days.
>>>>
>>>> However The bible talks about God preparing adversaries of Israel during
>>>> Solomon's reign, presumably they didn't attack when he was alive.
>>>>
>>>> (2kings)
>>>> 11:14 And the LORD stirred up an adversary unto Solomon, Hadad the
>>>> Edomite: he was of the king's seed in Edom.
>>>>
>>>> 11:23 And God stirred him up another adversary, Rezon the son of
>>>> Eliadah, which fled from his lord Hadadezer king of Zobah:
>>>
>>> Why do that? He's a petty vengeful kind of God, that one.
>>
>> Well, we knew that. Think about his command to utterly destroy Amalek,
>> massacring men, women, infants and sucklings, sparing not even the
>> camels and donkeys.
>
>
> Why wouldn't an omnipotent god simply do that himself?

The Old Testament god preferred to sub contract this sort of thing.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 20/11/23 08:56, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 19-Nov-23 13:44, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:26:21 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden
>> <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 2023-11-19 10:52:10 +0000, Kerr-Mudd, John said:
>>>
>>>> On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 15:55:38 +0530
>>>> Madhu <enometh@meer.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> * Ross Clark <ujcl4k$3os57$1 @dont-email.me> :
>>>>> Wrote on Sun, 19 Nov 2023 22:39:25 +1300:
>>>>> [Matt 24:6]
>>>>>> Do you know of any period of history when there weren't "wars and
>>>>>> rumors of wars"?
>>>>>
>>>>> Solomon's reign is reputed to be entirely of peace --- the only one
>>>>> when
>>>>> no wars were fought in Israel, and that God gave solomon peace. I've
>>>>> seen this mentioned in serveral places (though I cant pull up a
>>>>> reference atm).
>>>>>
>>>>> (1 chronicles 22:9) Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall
>>>>> be a
>>>>> man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round
>>>>> about:
>>>>> for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness
>>>>> unto
>>>>> Israel in his days.
>>>>>
>>>>> However The bible talks about God preparing adversaries of Israel
>>>>> during
>>>>> Solomon's reign, presumably they didn't attack when he was alive.
>>>>>
>>>>> (2kings)
>>>>> 11:14 And the LORD stirred up an adversary unto Solomon, Hadad the
>>>>> Edomite: he was of the king's seed in Edom.
>>>>>
>>>>> 11:23 And God stirred him up another adversary, Rezon the son of
>>>>> Eliadah, which fled from his lord Hadadezer king of Zobah:
>>>>
>>>> Why do that? He's a petty vengeful kind of God, that one.
>>>
>>> Well, we knew that. Think about his command to utterly destroy Amalek,
>>> massacring men, women, infants and sucklings, sparing not even the
>>> camels and donkeys.
>>
>> Why wouldn't an omnipotent god simply do that himself?
>
> The Old Testament god preferred to sub contract this sort of thing.

It's pretty normal to get someone else to do the dirty work, for the
sake of plausible deniability.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

On Saturday, November 18, 2023 at 7:31:35 PM UTC-8, bozo de niro wrote:
> "there shall be wars and rumors of wars ... but see that ye not be troubled"
>
> Can anybody offer any recent contemporary examples?

Here's 3 contemporary examples in today's news alone if you need any help:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-united-states-on-the-brink-of-a-new-world-war/ar-AA1kbQcU?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ASTS&cvid=d1179c28a48b4855ba7fc5e2b870365a&ei=478

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israel-s-war-in-gaza-tests-limits-of-biden-s-support/ar-AA1kbXsu?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ASTS&cvid=51c0f7f2b20e4e26bd17d309c32a7a32&ei=30

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/milei-vows-swift-measures-to-pull-argentina-out-of-deep-crisis/ar-AA1kcshd?ocid=msedgntp&pc=ASTS&cvid=05e062842ac244db9fe36bfb2e2bb3ed&ei=48

On Sunday, November 19, 2023 at 3:44:16 AM UTC-8, Madhu wrote:
> * Athel Cornish-Bowden <kru9mtFehbtU1 @mid.individual.net> :
> Wrote on Sun, 19 Nov 2023 12:26:21 +0100:
> > Well, we knew that. Think about his command to utterly destroy Amalek,
> > massacring men, women, infants and sucklings, sparing not even the
> > camels and donkeys.
> You missed PTD's bible-study recommendation of Jonah. After punishing
> Jonah in the belly of the sea-monster, he sends a reluctant Jonah back
> to Nineveh to deliver what both He and Jonah would be a false prophecy,
> the destruction of Nineveh, and when he proclaimed that,
>
> 3:5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and
> put on sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
>
> [...]
>
> 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and
> God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them;
> and he did it not.
>
> And jonah is of course exceedingly angry, and I commend reading the
> chapter relating the dealing-with of the petulant Jonah for yourself,
> but the chapter become vexed by it ends with these lines:
>
>
> 4:9 And God said to Jonah, Doest thou well to be angry for the gourd?
> And he said, I do well to be angry, even unto death.
>
> 4:10 Then said the LORD, Thou hast had pity on the gourd, for the which
> thou hast not laboured, neither madest it grow; which came up in a
> night, and perished in a night:
>
> 4:11 And should not I spare Nineveh, that great city, wherein are more
> then sixscore thousand persons that cannot discern between their right
> hand and their left hand; and also much cattle?
>
> This indicates the concern of God which is inconsistent with the
> propaganda.
>
>
> --- also the two sparrows (matt.) or five sparrrow (luke)
>
> https://www.gocomics.com/peanuts/1971/08/11
>
> Snoopy and Woodstock sit on the doghouse. Snoopy looks at a book
> and reads, "Are not five sparrows sold for two pennies?"
>
> Snoopy continues to read, "Fear not; you are of more value than
> many sparrows." Woodstock looks surprised.
>
> Snoopy reads, "Look at the birds of the air . . . Are you not of
> more value than they?" Woodstock looks confused.
>
> Snoopy thinks, "Woodstock gets kind of disturbed by some of
> these scriptures . . ." Woodstock looks shocked.

By the way does anybody know when the Woodstock character in Snoopy appeared? -- was it before or after Woodstock Nation and its eponymous music festival in 1969?

bozo de niro <bosodeniro@gmail.com> wrote:
[Snoopy]
> By the way does anybody know when the Woodstock character in Snoopy
> appeared? -- was it before or after Woodstock Nation and its eponymous
> music festival in 1969?

After. And Woodstock (the bird) is indeed named
after Woodstock (the festival),

Jan

On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 2:52:37 AM UTC-8, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> bozo de niro <bosod...@gmail.com> wrote:
> [Snoopy]
> > By the way does anybody know when the Woodstock character in Snoopy
> > appeared? -- was it before or after Woodstock Nation and its eponymous
> > music festival in 1969?
> After. And Woodstock (the bird) is indeed named
> after Woodstock (the festival),
>
Google says the character -- the little yellow bird -- first appeared in 1967,
two years before the festival, but he didn't have a name until 1970, the year
after the festival. Yes, he was named after the festival in both senses.

bill

bil...@shaw.ca <billvan@shaw.ca> wrote:

> On Monday, November 20, 2023 at 2:52:37?AM UTC-8, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > bozo de niro <bosod...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > [Snoopy]
> > > By the way does anybody know when the Woodstock character in Snoopy
> > > appeared? -- was it before or after Woodstock Nation and its eponymous
> > > music festival in 1969?
> > After. And Woodstock (the bird) is indeed named
> > after Woodstock (the festival),
> >
> Google says the character -- the little yellow bird -- first appeared in 1967,
> two years before the festival, but he didn't have a name until 1970, the year
> after the festival. Yes, he was named after the festival in both senses.

Birds came and went, only Woodstock stayed,

Jan