Fucking just hangs, takes 10 seconds to change tabs....
Why do distro maintaners included these bug-ridden
third-rate apps? No wonder linux struggles to get users.

On 26/12/2023 02.33, Nomen Nescio wrote:
> Fucking just hangs, takes 10 seconds to change tabs....
> Why do distro maintaners included these bug-ridden
> third-rate apps?

For not all have the same experience with the same software, they may be
working better depend on hardware or system setup.

The beauty of Linux distributions is that they don't force you to use a
specific software, the give you multiple options without you need to go
to a load of shady download pages where you don't know what malware is
included in the installer.

--
//Aho

On 12/26/2023 6:44 AM, J.O. Aho wrote:
> On 26/12/2023 02.33, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> Fucking just hangs, takes 10 seconds to change tabs....
>> Why do distro maintaners included these bug-ridden
>> third-rate apps?
>
> For not all have the same experience with the same software, they may be working better depend on hardware or system setup.
>
> The beauty of Linux distributions is that they don't force you to use a specific software, the give you multiple options without you need to go to a load of shady download pages where you don't know what malware is included in the installer.
>

I'm not buying the setup the OP implies.

inxi -F

I wanna see details of this "distro that has QMPlay2 packaged in it".

Example of an inxi output.

*******

bullwinkle@Cyclotron:~$ inxi -F
System:
Host: Cyclotron Kernel: 6.5.0-13-generic arch: x86_64 bits: 64
Desktop: GNOME v: 45.1 Distro: Ubuntu 23.10 (Mantic Minotaur)
Machine:
Type: Desktop Mobo: ASUSTeK model: P9X79 v: Rev 1.xx
CPU:
Info: 6-core model: Intel Core i7-4930K bits: 64 type: MT MCP cache:
Graphics:
Device-1: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080 driver: nvidia v: 535.129.03
Display: x11 server: X.Org v: 1.21.1.7 with: Xwayland v: 23.2.0 driver: X:
loaded: nvidia unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,nouveau,vesa
gpu: nvidia,nvidia-nvswitch resolution: 1280x1024~60Hz
API: OpenGL v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 535.129.03 renderer: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 1080/PCIe/SSE2
Audio:
Device-1: Intel C600/X79 series High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
Device-2: NVIDIA GP104 High Definition Audio driver: snd_hda_intel
API: ALSA v: k6.5.0-13-generic status: kernel-api
Server-1: PipeWire v: 0.3.79 status: active
Network:
Device-1: Intel 82579V Gigabit Network driver: e1000e
Drives:
Local Storage: total: 931.51 GiB used: 22.73 GiB (2.4%)
ID-1: /dev/sda vendor: Western Digital model: WD1003FZEX-00K3CA0 size: 931.51 GiB
Swap:
ID-1: swap-1 type: file size: 8 GiB used: 0 KiB (0.0%) file: /swap.img
Sensors:
System Temperatures: cpu: 25.0 C mobo: N/A gpu: nvidia temp: 31 C
Info:
available: 62.72 GiB used: 1.58 GiB (2.5%) Shell: Bash inxi: 3.3.29
bullwinkle@Cyclotron:~$

Paul

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>:

>> Why do distro maintaners included these bug-ridden
>> third-rate apps?
> I wanna see details of this "distro that has QMPlay2 packaged in it".

+1.

"QMPlay2 is a video and audio player."
https://github.com/zaps166/QMPlay2

Curious Linux users can download an appimage if they want to try the
application. But why bother? There are first-rate alternatives.
I am a Linux Mint user. QMPlay2 is not even in the LM repos.

Yrrah

On 27/12/2023 20.21, Yrrah wrote:
> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>:
>
>>> Why do distro maintaners included these bug-ridden
>>> third-rate apps?
>
>> I wanna see details of this "distro that has QMPlay2 packaged in it".
>
> +1.
>
> "QMPlay2 is a video and audio player."
> https://github.com/zaps166/QMPlay2
>
> Curious Linux users can download an appimage if they want to try the
> application. But why bother? There are first-rate alternatives.
> I am a Linux Mint user. QMPlay2 is not even in the LM repos.

Version 23.10.22 seems to be marked as stable in Gentoo according to
zugaina.org:
https://gpo.zugaina.org/media-video/qmplay2

If the OP don't like it, he can just uninstall it and install another
media player, I do prefer mpv, but seldom I watch videos on my Linux
machines out over those seen from time to time on a browser.

--
//Aho

"J.O. Aho" <user@example.net>:
> If the OP don't like it, he can just uninstall it and install another
> media player, I do prefer mpv,

SMPlayer, a front-end for both mpv and mplayer, and VLC come to mind.
Audio only: Audacious.

Yrrah

On 12/26/23 06:44, J.O. Aho wrote:
> On 26/12/2023 02.33, Nomen Nescio wrote:
>> Fucking just hangs, takes 10 seconds to change tabs....
>> Why do distro maintaners included these bug-ridden
>> third-rate apps?
>
> For not all have the same experience with the same software, they may be
> working better depend on hardware or system setup.
>
> The beauty of Linux distributions is that they don't force you to use a
> specific software, the give you multiple options without you need to go
> to a load of shady download pages where you don't know what malware is
> included in the installer.

It's better than windows but there should still be more discipline, I
tend to agree with the OP and there's more. Why on earth do apps like
kwallet or digicam 'utilities' have to be so inextricably intertwined
into Plasma or other 'useful' packages?

Accommodatable integratables should NEVER be classified as dependencies.

In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
> On 12/26/23 06:44, J.O. Aho wrote:
>> The beauty of Linux distributions is that they don't force you to use a
>> specific software, the give you multiple options without you need to go
>> to a load of shady download pages where you don't know what malware is
>> included in the installer.
>
> It's better than windows but there should still be more discipline, I
> tend to agree with the OP and there's more. Why on earth do apps like
> kwallet or digicam 'utilities' have to be so inextricably intertwined
> into Plasma or other 'useful' packages?

I don't even know about this Plasma software, which a web search
reveals is something to do with KDE, which I don't use. I think
that proves the point about choice with Linux software, the only
trouble is that many people dislike the need to choose things for
themselves, and complain like the OP when they randomly pick the
wrong option for their usage.

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On 12/29/23 15:46, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
>> On 12/26/23 06:44, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>> The beauty of Linux distributions is that they don't force you to use a
>>> specific software, the give you multiple options without you need to go
>>> to a load of shady download pages where you don't know what malware is
>>> included in the installer.
>>
>> It's better than windows but there should still be more discipline, I
>> tend to agree with the OP and there's more. Why on earth do apps like
>> kwallet or digicam 'utilities' have to be so inextricably intertwined
>> into Plasma or other 'useful' packages?
>
> I don't even know about this Plasma software, which a web search
> reveals is something to do with KDE, which I don't use. I think
> that proves the point about choice with Linux software, the only
> trouble is that many people dislike the need to choose things for
> themselves, and complain like the OP when they randomly pick the
> wrong option for their usage.
>

Maybe the OP didn't know much about QMPlay2 which was maybe bundled by
default, you didn't know what Plasma was. My point is that a dependency
should be something that an app cannot function without as opposed to
something that it can work with. In all cases more verbose descriptions
could help, there is after all (and fortunately) a very wide field of
choices. Needless to say calling some package a piece of shit don't
attract much help either :-)

On 29/12/2023 20:46, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
> In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
>> On 12/26/23 06:44, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>> The beauty of Linux distributions is that they don't force you to use a
>>> specific software, the give you multiple options without you need to go
>>> to a load of shady download pages where you don't know what malware is
>>> included in the installer.
>>
>> It's better than windows but there should still be more discipline, I
>> tend to agree with the OP and there's more. Why on earth do apps like
>> kwallet or digicam 'utilities' have to be so inextricably intertwined
>> into Plasma or other 'useful' packages?
>
> I don't even know about this Plasma software, which a web search
> reveals is something to do with KDE, which I don't use. I think
> that proves the point about choice with Linux software, the only
> trouble is that many people dislike the need to choose things for
> themselves, and complain like the OP when they randomly pick the
> wrong option for their usage.
>

If you want a hand held you don't need to do a thing installation, Linux
Mint is for you.
If you use their repositories then all code is compatible.

Only if you try and install random 3rd party code will you run into
dependency issues

--
“The urge to save humanity is almost always only a false face for the
urge to rule it.”
– H. L. Mencken

On 2023-12-30 03:30, bad sector wrote:
> On 12/29/23 15:46, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
>>> On 12/26/23 06:44, J.O. Aho wrote:
>>>> The beauty of Linux distributions is that they don't force you to use a
>>>> specific software, the give you multiple options without you need to go
>>>> to a load of shady download pages where you don't know what malware is
>>>> included in the installer.
>>>
>>> It's better than windows but there should still be more discipline, I
>>> tend to agree with the OP and there's more. Why on earth do apps like
>>> kwallet or digicam 'utilities' have to be so inextricably intertwined
>>> into Plasma or other 'useful' packages?
>>
>> I don't even know about this Plasma software, which a web search
>> reveals is something to do with KDE, which I don't use. I think
>> that proves the point about choice with Linux software, the only
>> trouble is that many people dislike the need to choose things for
>> themselves, and complain like the OP when they randomly pick the
>> wrong option for their usage.
>>
>
> Maybe the OP didn't know much about QMPlay2 which was maybe bundled by
> default, you didn't know what Plasma was. My point is that a dependency
> should be something that an app cannot function without as opposed to
> something that it can work with. In all cases more verbose descriptions
> could help, there is after all (and fortunately) a very wide field of
> choices. Needless to say calling some package a piece of shit don't
> attract much help either :-)

He is not interested in help, either. I have him filtered.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Newsfruits trimmed to COLM ...

In <1hl56kx4gb.ln2@Telcontar.valinor> Carlos E.R.:

> On 2023-12-30 03:30, bad sector wrote:

[Snip ...]

> He is not interested in help, either. I have him filtered.

+1

Ditto, years now.

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On 2023-12-30 10:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 29/12/2023 20:46, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>> In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:

....

> If you want a hand held you don't need to do a thing installation, Linux
> Mint is for you.
> If you use their repositories then all code is compatible.

I understand Mint derives from Ubuntu. What is the advantage? I am
curious, not looking for rant :-)

>
> Only if you try and install random 3rd party code will you run into
> dependency issues
>
>

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 12/30/23 13:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2023-12-30 10:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 29/12/2023 20:46, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> If you want a hand held you don't need to do a thing installation,
>> Linux Mint is for you.
>> If you use their repositories then all code is compatible.
>
> I understand Mint derives from Ubuntu. What is the advantage? I am
> curious, not looking for rant :-)

For one, a lot of people hate Canonical.
Snap-packages suck apparently.
The default desktop environment is also a lot more windows-y than Ubuntu.
The community is better.
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

On 2023-12-30 20:11, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 12/30/23 13:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2023-12-30 10:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 29/12/2023 20:46, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> If you want a hand held you don't need to do a thing installation,
>>> Linux Mint is for you.
>>> If you use their repositories then all code is compatible.
>>
>> I understand Mint derives from Ubuntu. What is the advantage? I am
>> curious, not looking for rant :-)
>
> For one, a lot of people hate Canonical.
> Snap-packages suck apparently.
> The default desktop environment is also a lot more windows-y than Ubuntu.
> The community is better.

But they still depend on Ubuntu to generate the packages and the updates?

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 08:49:36 -0500, bad sector wrote:

> Why on earth do apps like kwallet or digicam 'utilities' have to be so
> inextricably intertwined into Plasma or other 'useful' packages?

Because in the view of the developers, that was the best way to implement
it.

If you think there is a better way to do it, by all means code it up and
show us. Just like they did.

Carlos E.R. wrote:
> candycanearter07 wrote:
>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>
>>> I understand Mint derives from Ubuntu. What is the advantage? I am
>>> curious, not looking for rant :-)
>>
>> For one, a lot of people hate Canonical.
>> Snap-packages suck apparently.
>> The default desktop environment is also a lot more windows-y than Ubuntu.
>> The community is better.
>
> But they still depend on Ubuntu to generate the packages and the updates?
>
Mint uses Ub's repo/s and its own, and improves on Ub.

LM's flagship DE is Cinnamon; Ub's is Gnome. Ub LUVs Snap and uses it
'strongly'; LM eschews snap and its default eliminates it in favor of
providing a default Flatpak capability. LM has a number of useful
'minty' tools.

IMO Mint is a much better v of an Ub -based distro than Ub is; but of
course LM's success is based on how it is able to use the Ub repo/s. It
also does a good job of using the Deb repo/s for its LMDE version which
I prefer over the parent Deb. Ub has contributed a lot to being a
Deb-based distro.

Gnome is my least favorite DE; Cinnamon is one of my favorites.

--
Mike Easter

On 12/30/2023 3:04 PM, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
> On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 08:49:36 -0500, bad sector wrote:
>
>> Why on earth do apps like kwallet or digicam 'utilities' have to be so
>> inextricably intertwined into Plasma or other 'useful' packages?
>
> Because in the view of the developers, that was the best way to implement
> it.
>
> If you think there is a better way to do it, by all means code it up and
> show us. Just like they did.
>

When you make your very own DE, you create programs as "show pieces",
and they are likely to be decorated with your DE decorations.

The programs were not made with the express purpose of
sitting on a Puppy users desktop.

Other programs, are designed for the sake of the program,
and they tend to be DE agnostic. They don't care what
DE you are running.

QMPlay2 uses QT framework, and the purpose of doing such
a thing, is so the program is cross-platform, and runs on
a Mac or on a PC. The developer then, seeks wide distribution
for their creation, at the expense of the package being
100MB in size or larger.

Paul

On 30/12/2023 19:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2023-12-30 10:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 29/12/2023 20:46, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>> In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
>
> ...
>
>> If you want a hand held you don't need to do a thing installation,
>> Linux Mint is for you.
>> If you use their repositories then all code is compatible.
>
> I understand Mint derives from Ubuntu. What is the advantage? I am
> curious, not looking for rant :-)
1. Installation. Once you have a live bootable USB/DVD there is almost
nothing that needs to be done by a noob user. Name the machine, set up
your user id, and your timezone and keyboard and language, make a cup of
coffee and there you are. Full working installation, complete with
things like firefox, thunderbird etc.
2. GUI look and feel. Its instantly very XP like with either of the
default window environments - Cinnamon or MATE - with things like a
control panel and so on. It may be built on Gnome, but it isn't Gnome.
3. Ease of driver management. There is a program that scans the hardware
and looks up what drivers are recommended. And installs them for you.

So all te good things in Ubuntu are all still there, but a lot of the
rough edges are polished out to make it easy for first time users.

In my case, apart from raspberrty Pis I an very uininterested in playing
with Linux. I simply want a stable desktop to browse, do usenet and
email, and a few other things. Mint is the lowest hassle way to get that
that I have found.

I was pretty happy with Win XP as a user interface, mostly. My
unhappiness was the ease with which it caught malware, and its general
instability. It often crashed.

I started with Debian, ran that for a while, then tried Ubuntu, didn't
like it that much and then tried Mint. at least a decade ago I think. I
stopped looking then. It did what I wanted. That's it. No religion. No
rant. Just easy to install good pretty bug free functional code and
pretty enough to bear looking at for long periods of time.

--
Karl Marx said religion is the opium of the people.
But Marxism is the crack cocaine.

On 30/12/2023 19:11, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 12/30/23 13:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2023-12-30 10:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>> On 29/12/2023 20:46, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
>>
>> ...
>>
>>> If you want a hand held you don't need to do a thing installation,
>>> Linux Mint is for you.
>>> If you use their repositories then all code is compatible.
>>
>> I understand Mint derives from Ubuntu. What is the advantage? I am
>> curious, not looking for rant :-)
>
> For one, a lot of people hate Canonical.
> Snap-packages suck apparently.
> The default desktop environment is also a lot more windows-y than Ubuntu.
> The community is better.

Amen to all that.
Never understood what a snap package was. Good old apt works for me

--
Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's
too dark to read.

Groucho Marx

On 30/12/2023 19:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2023-12-30 20:11, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> On 12/30/23 13:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-12-30 10:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>> On 29/12/2023 20:46, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> ...
>>>
>>>> If you want a hand held you don't need to do a thing installation,
>>>> Linux Mint is for you.
>>>> If you use their repositories then all code is compatible.
>>>
>>> I understand Mint derives from Ubuntu. What is the advantage? I am
>>> curious, not looking for rant :-)
>>
>> For one, a lot of people hate Canonical.
>> Snap-packages suck apparently.
>> The default desktop environment is also a lot more windows-y than Ubuntu.
>> The community is better.
>
> But they still depend on Ubuntu to generate the packages and the updates?
>
Yes and no.

Mint has its own set of packages from different repositories. Not the
core kernel and basic OS, but the little GUI apps and so on. Looking at
my desktop here everything I can see *on screen* is MINT packages.

Everything underneath is pure ubuntu.

One of the things I liked about it versus Debian, was that it wasn't so
sucky about 'non free' packages.

Multimedia support was built in from the get go on the assumption you
wanted it to work 'out of the box'

--
A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is putting on
its shoes.

On 30/12/2023 20:47, Mike Easter wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I understand Mint derives from Ubuntu. What is the advantage? I am
>>>> curious, not looking for rant :-)
>>>
>>> For one, a lot of people hate Canonical.
>>> Snap-packages suck apparently.
>>> The default desktop environment is also a lot more windows-y than
>>> Ubuntu.
>>> The community is better.
>>
>> But they still depend on Ubuntu to generate the packages and the updates?
>>
> Mint uses Ub's repo/s and its own, and improves on Ub.
>
> LM's flagship DE is Cinnamon; Ub's is Gnome.  Ub LUVs Snap and uses it
> 'strongly'; LM eschews snap and its default eliminates it in favor of
> providing a default Flatpak capability.  LM has a number of useful
> 'minty' tools.
>
> IMO Mint is a much better v of an Ub -based distro than Ub is; but of
> course LM's success is based on how it is able to use the Ub repo/s.  It
> also does a good job of using the Deb repo/s for its LMDE version which
> I prefer over the parent Deb.  Ub has contributed a lot to being a
> Deb-based distro.
>
> Gnome is my least favorite DE; Cinnamon is one of my favorites.
>
>
MATE is my favourite. Its a bit more workmanlike than Cinnamon, which is
uber sexy - probably sexier than OS/X, but lacks features I got used to.

--
If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will
eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such
time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic
and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally
important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for
the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the
truth is the greatest enemy of the State.

Joseph Goebbels

On 2023-12-31 09:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
> On 30/12/2023 19:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2023-12-30 20:11, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> On 12/30/23 13:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>> On 2023-12-30 10:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>> On 29/12/2023 20:46, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>>
>>>>> If you want a hand held you don't need to do a thing installation,
>>>>> Linux Mint is for you.
>>>>> If you use their repositories then all code is compatible.
>>>>
>>>> I understand Mint derives from Ubuntu. What is the advantage? I am
>>>> curious, not looking for rant :-)
>>>
>>> For one, a lot of people hate Canonical.
>>> Snap-packages suck apparently.
>>> The default desktop environment is also a lot more windows-y than
>>> Ubuntu.
>>> The community is better.
>>
>> But they still depend on Ubuntu to generate the packages and the updates?
>>
> Yes and no.
>
> Mint has its own set of packages from different repositories. Not the
> core kernel and basic OS, but the little GUI apps and so on. Looking at
> my desktop here everything I can see *on screen* is MINT packages.
>
> Everything underneath is pure ubuntu.
>
> One of the things I liked about it versus Debian, was that it wasn't so
> sucky about 'non free' packages.
>
> Multimedia support was built in from the get go on the assumption you
> wanted it to work 'out of the box'

That's nice.

I'm very much used to rpm, though.

Just considering if I need a replacement for openSUSE, now that "Leap"
is going to disappear, and what remains is the development version,
Tumbleweed or Slowroll.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 31/12/2023 14.02, Carlos E.R. wrote:

> I'm very much used to rpm, though.

It has some neat features that I fail to find in deb.

> Just considering if I need a replacement for openSUSE, now that "Leap"
> is going to disappear, and what remains is the development version,
> Tumbleweed or Slowroll.

I don't think there is a difficulty to pick between them, do you want
stability then go with slowroll and if you want the latest possible
package of everything then go tumbleweed, but expect that your system
may not always work 100%.

For me that has kept me from using OpenSuse is the lack of packages.

--
//Aho

On 31/12/2023 13:02, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2023-12-31 09:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>> On 30/12/2023 19:41, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>> On 2023-12-30 20:11, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>>> On 12/30/23 13:00, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-12-30 10:52, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
>>>>>> On 29/12/2023 20:46, Computer Nerd Kev wrote:
>>>>>>> In comp.os.linux.misc bad sector <forgetski@_invalid.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> ...
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want a hand held you don't need to do a thing installation,
>>>>>> Linux Mint is for you.
>>>>>> If you use their repositories then all code is compatible.
>>>>>
>>>>> I understand Mint derives from Ubuntu. What is the advantage? I am
>>>>> curious, not looking for rant :-)
>>>>
>>>> For one, a lot of people hate Canonical.
>>>> Snap-packages suck apparently.
>>>> The default desktop environment is also a lot more windows-y than
>>>> Ubuntu.
>>>> The community is better.
>>>
>>> But they still depend on Ubuntu to generate the packages and the
>>> updates?
>>>
>> Yes and no.
>>
>> Mint has its own set of packages from different repositories. Not the
>> core kernel and basic OS, but the little GUI apps and so on. Looking
>> at my desktop here everything I can see *on screen* is MINT packages.
>>
>> Everything underneath is pure ubuntu.
>>
>> One of the things I liked about it versus Debian, was that it wasn't
>> so sucky about 'non free' packages.
>>
>> Multimedia support was built in from the get go on the assumption you
>> wanted it to work 'out of the box'
>
> That's nice.
>
> I'm very much used to rpm, though.
>
> Just considering if I need a replacement for openSUSE, now that "Leap"
> is going to disappear, and what remains is the development version,
> Tumbleweed or Slowroll.
>
I liked the brief excursion I had with SUSE.
But I always felt the Debian (and offspring) community were more on the ball

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