The Natural Philosopher wrote:

> On 05/07/2023 18:28, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
>> The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
>>> On 02/07/2023 09:00, Marco Moock wrote:
>>
>>>> I wonder that people still buy them. I think AIX is also on the way
>>>> down. They don't produce workstations anymore and AIX only runs on
>>>> special IBM stuff - not on normal machines.
>>>
>>> AIX is IBMs x86 Unix.
>>
>> It’s been supported on a range of platforms in the past but it’s been
>> Power architecture only for a long time now.
>
> Well Richard, you know when I last saw it ;-)

It was on the RT/6150 when I first saw it.

Am 05.07.2023 um 16:43:05 Uhr schrieb The Natural Philosopher:

> On 02/07/2023 09:00, Marco Moock wrote:
> > Am 01.07.2023 um 17:48:57 Uhr schrieb Bud Frede:
> >
> >> I used to be a Solaris admin, but after Oracle bought them I saw
> >> the writing on the wall and pursued other career paths (Linux and
> >> AIX). Sun's support was decent, but it turned into Oracle-level
> >> support quite rapidly. If you ran into some issue with Solaris or
> >> Sun hardware, you'd call Oracle and get nowhere. The Oracle DBAs
> >> were used to that level of non-support, but none of the Unix
> >> admins were.
> >>
> >> It made IBM pretty happy though. Lots of POWER systems were
> >> brought in to replace the old Sun stuff. :-)
> >
> > I wonder that people still buy them. I think AIX is also on the way
> > down. They don't produce workstations anymore and AIX only runs on
> > special IBM stuff - not on normal machines.
> >
>
> AIX is IBMs x86 Unix.

On which x86 machines does it run?

> Whether it needs custom hardware or not is perhaps not germane to its
> users who are, as you say overwhelmingly running IBM applications -
> usually legacy database code, RPG and COBOL - on it, and the annual
> support contract probably exceeds the cost of the PC hardware it runs
> on after the first few months :-)

Does that have a future?
I don't think so. Companies operate it if they still need it, but think
about migration.

On 7/6/23 15:12, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 05.07.2023 um 16:43:05 Uhr schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
>>
>> AIX is IBMs x86 Unix.
>
> On which x86 machines does it run?

Well, in the early 1990s, AIX ran on certain PS/2 models. But that was
roughly 30 years ago.

There was also an AIX/370 port for IBM's mainframes at one time. But I
think that's even older than AIX for PS/2.

Nowadays, AIX runs on IBM's POWER architecture only.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_AIX#Supported_hardware_platforms

Contrary to what the previous poster claimed, AIX is _not_ IBM's _x86_
Unix. It is IBM's Unix, period.

On 7/1/23 13:20, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> Depends how much their customers know about the GPL.

they know

On 06/07/2023 20:12, Marco Moock wrote:
> Am 05.07.2023 um 16:43:05 Uhr schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
>
>> On 02/07/2023 09:00, Marco Moock wrote:
>>> Am 01.07.2023 um 17:48:57 Uhr schrieb Bud Frede:
>>>
>>>> I used to be a Solaris admin, but after Oracle bought them I saw
>>>> the writing on the wall and pursued other career paths (Linux and
>>>> AIX). Sun's support was decent, but it turned into Oracle-level
>>>> support quite rapidly. If you ran into some issue with Solaris or
>>>> Sun hardware, you'd call Oracle and get nowhere. The Oracle DBAs
>>>> were used to that level of non-support, but none of the Unix
>>>> admins were.
>>>>
>>>> It made IBM pretty happy though. Lots of POWER systems were
>>>> brought in to replace the old Sun stuff. :-)
>>>
>>> I wonder that people still buy them. I think AIX is also on the way
>>> down. They don't produce workstations anymore and AIX only runs on
>>> special IBM stuff - not on normal machines.
>>>
>>
>> AIX is IBMs x86 Unix.
>
> On which x86 machines does it run?
>
Itanium

>> Whether it needs custom hardware or not is perhaps not germane to its
>> users who are, as you say overwhelmingly running IBM applications -
>> usually legacy database code, RPG and COBOL - on it, and the annual
>> support contract probably exceeds the cost of the PC hardware it runs
>> on after the first few months :-)
>
> Does that have a future?
> I don't think so. Companies operate it if they still need it, but think
> about migration.
>

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On 06/07/2023 20:53, John-Paul Stewart wrote:
> On 7/6/23 15:12, Marco Moock wrote:
>> Am 05.07.2023 um 16:43:05 Uhr schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
>>>
>>> AIX is IBMs x86 Unix.
>>
>> On which x86 machines does it run?
>
> Well, in the early 1990s, AIX ran on certain PS/2 models. But that was
> roughly 30 years ago.
>
> There was also an AIX/370 port for IBM's mainframes at one time. But I
> think that's even older than AIX for PS/2.
>
> Nowadays, AIX runs on IBM's POWER architecture only.
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_AIX#Supported_hardware_platforms
>
> Contrary to what the previous poster claimed, AIX is _not_ IBM's _x86_
> Unix. It is IBM's Unix, period.
>
I take it back. 30 years ago was the last time I worked on it :-)

However the main thrust of what I was trying to say is that it was used
to support legacy code written for e.g. IBM 360s. The last time I saw
it it was replacing a 21 year old 360 in a bookbinding factory.

With all its perfectly functional COBOL and RPG code to be ported on to it.

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John-Paul Stewart wrote:

> Contrary to what the previous poster claimed, AIX is _not_ IBM's _x86_
> Unix. It is IBM's Unix, period.

Actually, that's not true. IBM has two UNIX systems, the other one
being z/OS. However, that is only certified to the ancient UNIX 95
standard, whereas AIX is the latest (UNIX V7).

z/OS was recertified just a couple of months ago:

https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3693.htm

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The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> writes:
> On 06/07/2023 20:12, Marco Moock wrote:
>> Am 05.07.2023 um 16:43:05 Uhr schrieb The Natural Philosopher:
>>> On 02/07/2023 09:00, Marco Moock wrote:
>>>> Am 01.07.2023 um 17:48:57 Uhr schrieb Bud Frede:
>>>>
>>>>> I used to be a Solaris admin, but after Oracle bought them I saw
>>>>> the writing on the wall and pursued other career paths (Linux and
>>>>> AIX). Sun's support was decent, but it turned into Oracle-level
>>>>> support quite rapidly. If you ran into some issue with Solaris or
>>>>> Sun hardware, you'd call Oracle and get nowhere. The Oracle DBAs
>>>>> were used to that level of non-support, but none of the Unix
>>>>> admins were.
>>>>>
>>>>> It made IBM pretty happy though. Lots of POWER systems were
>>>>> brought in to replace the old Sun stuff. :-)
>>>>
>>>> I wonder that people still buy them. I think AIX is also on the way
>>>> down. They don't produce workstations anymore and AIX only runs on
>>>> special IBM stuff - not on normal machines.
>>>>
>>>
>>> AIX is IBMs x86 Unix.
>> On which x86 machines does it run?
>
> Itanium

Not x86, and has never run a production release of AIX.

Since 2019, IBM’s x86 Unix is Linux (i.e. the Redhat variants).

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Am 05.07.23 um 06:53 schrieb 36J.955:
> On 6/26/23 10:02 AM, Marco Moock wrote:
>> Hello!
>>
>> Today somebody linked an interesting article in a German Newsgroup.
>>
>> https://dissociatedpress.net/2023/06/24/red-hat-and-the-clone-wars/
>> https://www.redhat.com/en/blog/furthering-evolution-centos-stream
>>
>> RedHat will stop providing public access to their source code.
>>
>> This will make building binary-compatible distributions like the former
>> CentOS or Rocky Linux much harder.
>
>
> Look, RH went 'public' and IBM bought them out.

36J.955 <36J955@qfxw6.net>

I simply call you "idiot"

On 7/7/23 08:40, Geoff Clare wrote:
> John-Paul Stewart wrote:
>
>> Contrary to what the previous poster claimed, AIX is _not_ IBM's _x86_
>> Unix. It is IBM's Unix, period.
>
> Actually, that's not true. IBM has two UNIX systems, the other one
> being z/OS. However, that is only certified to the ancient UNIX 95
> standard, whereas AIX is the latest (UNIX V7).
>
> z/OS was recertified just a couple of months ago:
>
> https://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3693.htm

I always forget about z/OS. Thanks for pointing that out.

Am 07.07.23 um 16:58 schrieb The Doctor:
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You are even the bigger idiot.

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On 7/7/23 10:58 AM, The Doctor wrote:
> So when will
>
> alma
> Rocky
> Fedora
>
> and
>
> CENTOS disappear?
>
> Ald what happens to Seconion?

I'm gonna guess ONE YEAR.

They were 'downgraded' about a year and a half
ago and NOW they're downgrading the downgrade.

There's just no POINT anymore. Also, code THAT
beta - unsafe at any speed.

The whole RHEL branch is going to wither and die
a horrible death. RHEL enhancements will be, are
being, merged into IBM LinuxONE. The RHEL brand
WILL persist though, there are still big customers
who use it for their server farms and such and don't
mind paying all the extra $$$.

But for us regular Joes ... time to leave. RHEL
is not for us anymore. Migrate to Deb/Arch/Slack,
indeed I wonder if something new might appear -
created by ex-RHEL employees.

On 7/2/23 07:19, Richard Kettlewell wrote:
> Obviously on its last legs, almost nobody is going to use it if they
> have a free choice.

ANd that is what will happen to any Oracle Linux as well. The core
problem is the lack of trust in Oracle.

On 7/8/23 11:51 AM, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <2_WcnemeTdf7TDX5nZ2dnZfqn_WdnZ2d@earthlink.com>,
> 36J.955 <36J955@qfxw6.net> wrote:
>> On 7/7/23 10:58 AM, The Doctor wrote:
>>> So when will
>>>
>>> alma
>>> Rocky
>>> Fedora
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> CENTOS disappear?
>>>
>>> Ald what happens to Seconion?
>>
>> I'm gonna guess ONE YEAR.
>>
>> They were 'downgraded' about a year and a half
>> ago and NOW they're downgrading the downgrade.
>>
>> There's just no POINT anymore. Also, code THAT
>> beta - unsafe at any speed.
>>
>> The whole RHEL branch is going to wither and die
>> a horrible death. RHEL enhancements will be, are
>> being, merged into IBM LinuxONE. The RHEL brand
>> WILL persist though, there are still big customers
>> who use it for their server farms and such and don't
>> mind paying all the extra $$$.
>>
>> But for us regular Joes ... time to leave. RHEL
>> is not for us anymore. Migrate to Deb/Arch/Slack,
>> indeed I wonder if something new might appear -
>> created by ex-RHEL employees.
>
> What about Linus's official distibution?

What : https://github.com/torvalds/linux ???

Don't see THAT in the top-200 list :-)

Sure, "super-basic" Linux exists ... but it's
super-basic. We all want more perks these days
for almost any application.

Hmm ... try Slitaz - but don't install the GUI.
See how long you can stand it. Gonna build yer
corporation around it ?

"Linux" is barely more than an OS kernel. All the
rest is add-ons. Pick yer poison.