Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 24/04/2024 09:13, Marland wrote:
>> I’m not that good on remembering numbers if I don’t use them regularly,
>> so I have used numbers or part of them from well known locomotives
>> as Pin numbers . I then think ahh ,this is the Flying Scotsman card.
>
> In the early days of PIN numbers a colleague was very proud of the fact
> he was the first one to have a card that needed one. He boasted that no
> one could guess a random 4-figure number and got very upset when I told
> him what his was. He was a Star Trek fan…
>

An acquaintance who lived in a remote location only used his card
occasionally when he visited Glasgow where he scratched his number in the
paint of a window frame alongside the ATM , worked fine till he got there
one day and found the window frame had been repainted.

GH

On 23/04/2024 21:58, Recliner wrote:
> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 23/04/2024 20:52, Bevan Price wrote:
>>> On 23/04/2024 19:49, Roland Perry wrote:
>>>> In message <eBRVN.478709$7uxe.366770@fx09.ams1>, at 16:46:02 on Tue,
>>>> 23 Apr 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <39cf2jl2lehbp4mkcnbrvmagsse4qnb911@4ax.com>, at 14:04:05 on
>>>>>> Tue, 23 Apr 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>>> On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 08:23:48 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In message <v07lkj$1fuvh$1@dont-email.me>, at 07:48:49 on Tue, 23 Apr
>>>>>>>> 2024, Alan Lee <alan@darkroom.plus.com> remarked:
>>>>>>>>> On 21/04/2024 22:04, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I don't know. I'd have thought any of the usual Carnforth locos
>>>>>>>>>> had both
>>>>>>>>>> vacuum and air brakes, so could haul this train, so it may be
>>>>>>>>>> more to do
>>>>>>>>>> with loco availability.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> No, only one WCR engine has air brakes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks, I was fairly sure it was issue, but didn't realise it was
>>>>>>>> *that*
>>>>>>>> bad.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hired in 45407 and 44871 do, so one/both will be on the train at all
>>>>>>>>> times, until Tangmere takes over, which has air brakes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Ian Riley owns the 2 Black 5s, and WCR own Tangmere, it's the
>>>>>>>>> only air
>>>>>>>>> braked loco they have. WCR had probably already signed a hire
>>>>>>>>> agreement
>>>>>>>>> for the Black 5's, as they are the ones that will be based in Fort
>>>>>>>>> William once the two trains daily Jacobite restarts.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It has been reported that the Jacobite would restart from 15th
>>>>>>>> April. I
>>>>>>>> wonder what traction they are using literally this week?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 45212
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe that's why it wasn't on the last leg of the Great Britain XVI
>>>>>> (despite what the brochure promised).
>>>>>
>>>>> It wasn't used on the GBVI at all. It used 44871 and 45407.
>>>>
>>>> All these numbers doing my head in. Don't most of them have names too?
>>>
>>>
>>> Some of us find it easier to remember numbers rather than names.
>>>
>>
>> Black 5s generally don't have names.
>
> Yes, they were built in very large numbers (842) over 17 years, and were
> workaday, mixed traffic locos, not glamorous main line expresses. So only
> a few were given names, 45407 “The Lancashire Fusilier” being one of them.
>

Only 4 Black 5s had names, all originally based in Scotland, and none of
which survive. All subsequent names were added in the preservation era.

There was a time when I could remember most of the names of London
Midland region steam locos, but other regions were a bit of a mystery,
and I never bothered to try and remember diesel or electric loco names.

In message <JUJovpTFCLKmFAyf@perry.uk>, at 08:11:01 on Wed, 24 Apr 2024,
Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> remarked:
>In message <v095ug$1qv40$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:33:19 on Tue, 23 Apr
>2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>
>>>>>>>> It has been reported that the Jacobite would restart from 15th
>>>>>>>>April. I wonder what traction they are using literally this week?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 45212
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe that's why it wasn't on the last leg of the Great Britain XVI
>>>>>> (despite what the brochure promised).
>>>>>
>>>>> It wasn't used on the GBVI at all. It used 44871 and 45407.
>>>>
>>>> All these numbers doing my head in. Don't most of them have names too?
>
>>> Some of us find it easier to remember numbers rather than names.
>>
>>Black 5s generally don't have names.
>
>That's a valid point, but the one which was absent the last day of the
>GB XVI, and I suspected might have been heading for Scotland, does.

Breaking news: Photo on Facebook...

"LMS Black 5, No 45407 The Lancashire Fusilier on stock movement from
Carnforth Steamtown to Fort William this morning with some extra
Jacobite stock seen here passing Gretna."
--
Roland Perry

On Thu, 25 Apr 2024 13:54:10 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:

>In message <JUJovpTFCLKmFAyf@perry.uk>, at 08:11:01 on Wed, 24 Apr 2024,
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> remarked:
>>In message <v095ug$1qv40$1@dont-email.me>, at 21:33:19 on Tue, 23 Apr
>>2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>
>>>>>>>>> It has been reported that the Jacobite would restart from 15th
>>>>>>>>>April. I wonder what traction they are using literally this week?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 45212
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Maybe that's why it wasn't on the last leg of the Great Britain XVI
>>>>>>> (despite what the brochure promised).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It wasn't used on the GBVI at all. It used 44871 and 45407.
>>>>>
>>>>> All these numbers doing my head in. Don't most of them have names too?
>>
>>>> Some of us find it easier to remember numbers rather than names.
>>>
>>>Black 5s generally don't have names.
>>
>>That's a valid point, but the one which was absent the last day of the
>>GB XVI, and I suspected might have been heading for Scotland, does.
>
>Breaking news: Photo on Facebook...
>
>"LMS Black 5, No 45407 The Lancashire Fusilier on stock movement from
>Carnforth Steamtown to Fort William this morning with some extra
>Jacobite stock seen here passing Gretna."

I assume some of the GBVI coaches are being moved to strengthen the initially short Jacobite rake, plus to form the
second Jacobite service (starts on 6 May).