On 06/04/2024 07:31, Tweed wrote:
> Im afraid “main BBC News” to me means their 1830 and 2100 BBC One
> broadcasts. They are the ones with the highest viewing figures. I think you
> perhaps ought have asked if Scotland had its own BBC News*channel* if that
> is what you meant.

Are there any viewing figures for BBC Scotland programmes freely
available i.e. not just BARB subscribers?

The 21:00h bulletin is hardly relevant, I think it is a short reading of
headlines in between programmes so most 'viewers' are just waiting for
the next programme. I have 'seen' it many times but never 'watched ' it.

But some tend to manipulate figures, hence the claim it has the highest
viewing figures.

On 06/04/2024 06:36, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <uuorul$1clmr$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:48:21 on Fri, 5 Apr
> 2024, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <ii%ON.39444$lu2.23068@fx15.ams1>, at 22:05:02 on Tue, 2 Apr
>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>
>>>>> So not a parallel 24x7 version of channel 231 (and Freesat
>>>>> equivalent).
>>>>>
>>>>> Which was the brief. Please harder to follow the brief.
>>>>
>>>> You asked a question, which was answered.
>>>
>>> No it wasn't, I asked about a hypothetical separate Scottish-originated
>>> 24x7 news service.
>>>
>>>> Please try not to be so obnoxious when gaps in your knowledge are
>>>> filled.
>>>
>>> I get frustrated when so many people miss the brief, even after I've
>>> already re-confirmed it.
>>
>> I’m not convinced that you originally asked about a 24x7 Scottish news
>> service, just a separate news service. The 24x7 qualification crept in
>> later.
>
> What I asked was:
>
> >>BBC Scotland have a big studio centre - Pacific Quays.
> >>
> >>They make some stuff for network there.
>
> >But do they have a separate main BBC news?
>
> The "Main BBC News" broadcasts all day long, no just one slot.

No, the main BBC news is the Ten.
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 06/04/2024 07:31, Tweed wrote:
>> Im afraid “main BBC News” to me means their 1830 and 2100 BBC One
>> broadcasts. They are the ones with the highest viewing figures. I think you
>> perhaps ought have asked if Scotland had its own BBC News*channel* if that
>> is what you meant.
>
>
> Are there any viewing figures for BBC Scotland programmes freely
> available i.e. not just BARB subscribers?

https://www.thenational.scot/news/24049383.bbc-scotland-news-show-attracts-just-200-viewers/

>
> The 21:00h bulletin is hardly relevant, I think it is a short reading of
> headlines in between programmes so most 'viewers' are just waiting for
> the next programme. I have 'seen' it many times but never 'watched ' it.

No, it's an hour-long programme, four nights a week, described as, "All the
national, UK-wide and international news that matters to you, plus weather,
entertainment news and sport."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001y695

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <uup4ig$1ek72$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:15:27 on Fri, 5 Apr
> 2024, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
>> On 05/04/2024 13:36, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> Which goes some way to why the police can only spend ten minutes
>>> investigating the theft of a £50 mountain bike. And why they've long
>>> had an approximately £5k threshold (might be more now) on
>>> investigating any form of fraud perpetrated against members of the public.
>>
>> Going to get worse, hasn't it been reported they have received large
>> numbers of complaints about Yuseless' racist speech in the Edinburgh
>> Parliament and Police Scotland have said because of the idiotic SNP
>> hate crime bill - it is said they had to drop just about all other work
>> when they had a trial run in one area.
>
> The police divide their operations into numerous ring-fenced divisions.
>
> I don't believe for a minute they pulled people off traffic duties, or
> airport security, or policing large public events, or the pedophile
> unit, to trawl through complaints about online hate crime.

Or obstinate cyclists on trains arriving in London who have got leery and
a complaint is made by. “Don’t you know I am” Perry to a control room.

GH

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <uup4ig$1ek72$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:15:27 on Fri, 5 Apr
> 2024, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
>> On 05/04/2024 13:36, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> Which goes some way to why the police can only spend ten minutes
>>> investigating the theft of a £50 mountain bike. And why they've long
>>> had an approximately £5k threshold (might be more now) on
>>> investigating any form of fraud perpetrated against members of the public.
>>
>> Going to get worse, hasn't it been reported they have received large
>> numbers of complaints about Yuseless' racist speech in the Edinburgh
>> Parliament and Police Scotland have said because of the idiotic SNP
>> hate crime bill - it is said they had to drop just about all other work
>> when they had a trial run in one area.
>
> The police divide their operations into numerous ring-fenced divisions.
>
> I don't believe for a minute they pulled people off traffic duties, or
> airport security, or policing large public events, or the pedophile
> unit, to trawl through complaints about online hate crime.

The police appear not to agree with you:

From
https://inews.co.uk/news/police-scotland-overwhelmed-complaints-hate-crime-law-2992470

Police officers are “overwhelmed” by the deluge of hate crime complaints
made during the first week of Scotland’s controversial new law.

There have been thousands of reports since the legislation kicked in on
Monday – with no sign of the pace slowing down.

David Kennedy, general secretary of the Scottish Police Federation (SPF),
which represents rank and file officers, said he had been told there were
between 3,000 and 4,000 complaints in the first 48 hours.

“I’m told it’s not slowing down. There’s no let up. There’s still a lot
coming in each day, especially with online forms,” he told i. “They are
overwhelmed at the moment.”

Mr Kennedy said officers at Police Scotland’s Contact, Command and Control
division have already taken overtime to sift through the enormous number of
reports.

Other backroom administration staff have also been pulled in to help sort
through the claims made by the public, he added.

…

“There is a danger of a big backlog [of complaints] building up. That would
create a need for a new team to look at it – people trained to understand
the law. But police haven’t been given any more money. We are 1,000
officers down on where we want to be.”

There are also concerns that investigating hate crime could take front-line
officers away from probing reports of shoplifting, burglary and other
incidents.

“If a hate crime report needs investigation, then officers would have to go
out in a car and speak to people and take statements. That means there’s
less time to do other things,” said Mr Kennedy.

On Sat, 06 Apr 2024 09:00:54 GMT
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>Other backroom administration staff have also been pulled in to help sort
>through the claims made by the public, he added.

If the police leaders had anything resembling a brain they'd quietly
deprioritise this law down to when-we-have-the-resources. But these political
types always want to win their woke brownie points.

>There are also concerns that investigating hate crime could take front-line
>officers away from probing reports of shoplifting, burglary and other
>incidents.

Inevitable. We really are living in an alice through the looking glass world
with policing right now but I guess this is what you get when you hire
politicised wonks with assorted useless degrees to run the police, not actual
coppers who've risen up the ranks the hard way.

On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 09:12:23 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:

>On Sat, 06 Apr 2024 09:00:54 GMT
>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>Other backroom administration staff have also been pulled in to help sort
>>through the claims made by the public, he added.
>
>If the police leaders had anything resembling a brain they'd quietly
>deprioritise this law down to when-we-have-the-resources. But these political
>types always want to win their woke brownie points.

Remember that the SNP controls Police Scotland. PS would probably be very glad to ignore this law, but for the moment at
least, it has to pretend to enforce it.

On Sat, 06 Apr 2024 11:43:13 +0100
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 09:12:23 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 06 Apr 2024 09:00:54 GMT
>>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Other backroom administration staff have also been pulled in to help sort
>>>through the claims made by the public, he added.
>>
>>If the police leaders had anything resembling a brain they'd quietly
>>deprioritise this law down to when-we-have-the-resources. But these political
>>types always want to win their woke brownie points.
>
>Remember that the SNP controls Police Scotland. PS would probably be very glad
>to ignore this law, but for the moment at
>least, it has to pretend to enforce it.

The SNP only control the police via standard legal levers. Ultimately the
police decide how they deal with crime, the government of whatever colour can
only nudge and suggest.

On 06/04/2024 11:43, Recliner wrote:
> Remember that the SNP controls Police Scotland. PS would probably be very glad to ignore this law, but for the moment at
> least, it has to pretend to enforce it.

A friend does a lot of work for the police and says Plod Scotland is
very heavily infiltrated with SNP people.

The report I heard was that they had a trial run (somewhere in the North
East I think) and more or less all other police work stopped because
hate crime complaints were taking up so much time.

Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <uuorul$1clmr$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:48:21 on Fri, 5 Apr
>> 2024, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <ii%ON.39444$lu2.23068@fx15.ams1>, at 22:05:02 on Tue, 2 Apr
>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>>> So not a parallel 24x7 version of channel 231 (and Freesat equivalent).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which was the brief. Please harder to follow the brief.
>>>>>
>>>>> You asked a question, which was answered.
>>>>
>>>> No it wasn't, I asked about a hypothetical separate Scottish-originated
>>>> 24x7 news service.
>>>>
>>>>> Please try not to be so obnoxious when gaps in your knowledge are
>>>>> filled.
>>>>
>>>> I get frustrated when so many people miss the brief, even after I've
>>>> already re-confirmed it.
>>>
>>> I’m not convinced that you originally asked about a 24x7 Scottish news
>>> service, just a separate news service. The 24x7 qualification crept in
>>> later.
>>
>> What I asked was:
>>
>>>> BBC Scotland have a big studio centre - Pacific Quays.
>>>>
>>>> They make some stuff for network there.
>>
>>> But do they have a separate main BBC news?
>>
>> The "Main BBC News" broadcasts all day long, no just one slot.
>
> Im afraid “main BBC News” to me means their 1830 and 2100 BBC One
> broadcasts. They are the ones with the highest viewing figures. I think you
> perhaps ought have asked if Scotland had its own BBC News *channel* if that
> is what you meant.
>
>

I did of course mean the 2200 BBC One news broadcast, not 2100.

On 06/04/2024 14:02, Tweed wrote:
> I did of course mean the 2200 BBC One news broadcast, not 2100.

Some of the more indoctrinated SNP people think the Glasgow news is the
'national news'!

On Fri, 5 Apr 2024 16:15:27 +0100, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

>On 05/04/2024 13:36, Roland Perry wrote:
>>
>> Which goes some way to why the police can only spend ten minutes
>> investigating the theft of a £50 mountain bike. And why they've long had
>> an approximately £5k threshold (might be more now) on investigating any
>> form of fraud perpetrated against members of the public.
>
>
>Going to get worse, hasn't it been reported they have received large
>numbers of complaints about Yuseless' racist speech in the Edinburgh
>Parliament and Police Scotland have said because of the idiotic SNP hate
>crime bill - it is said they had to drop just about all other work when
>they had a trial run in one area.
>
The "idiotic SMP hate crime bill" (which is now an Act) does not
introduce any law that is not already in place in England or did not
exist in some form before.

On Sat, 06 Apr 2024 11:43:13 +0100, Recliner
<recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 09:12:23 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 06 Apr 2024 09:00:54 GMT
>>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Other backroom administration staff have also been pulled in to help sort
>>>through the claims made by the public, he added.
>>
>>If the police leaders had anything resembling a brain they'd quietly
>>deprioritise this law down to when-we-have-the-resources. But these political
>>types always want to win their woke brownie points.
>
>Remember that the SNP controls Police Scotland. PS would probably be very glad to ignore this law, but for the moment at
>least, it has to pretend to enforce it.
>
If you really believe that any Scottish party controls Police Scotland
then you are away with the fairies.

On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 12:00:10 +0100, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

>On 06/04/2024 11:43, Recliner wrote:
>> Remember that the SNP controls Police Scotland. PS would probably be very glad to ignore this law, but for the moment at
>> least, it has to pretend to enforce it.
>
>
>A friend does a lot of work for the police and says Plod Scotland is
>very heavily infiltrated with SNP people.
>
You should expect a police force to be "heavily infiltrated" by people
roughly matching the electorate otherwise there is something wrong.

>The report I heard was that they had a trial run (somewhere in the North
>East I think) and more or less all other police work stopped because
>hate crime complaints were taking up so much time.
>

On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 15:48:08 +0100
JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>On 06/04/2024 14:02, Tweed wrote:
>> I did of course mean the 2200 BBC One news broadcast, not 2100.
>
>
>
>Some of the more indoctrinated SNP people think the Glasgow news is the
>'national news'!
>

To be fair its been that way with the BBC and London for a long time now.
The north could be cut off by snow/floods/volcanos and it would get a short
section in "and now the rest of the news". 1mm of snow in St James Park and
it'll be the top story.

On Sat, 6 Apr 2024 06:46:54 +0100, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:

>In message <uup4ig$1ek72$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:15:27 on Fri, 5 Apr
>2024, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> remarked:
>>On 05/04/2024 13:36, Roland Perry wrote:
>>> Which goes some way to why the police can only spend ten minutes
>>>investigating the theft of a £50 mountain bike. And why they've long
>>>had an approximately £5k threshold (might be more now) on
>>>investigating any form of fraud perpetrated against members of the public.
>>
>>Going to get worse, hasn't it been reported they have received large
>>numbers of complaints about Yuseless' racist speech in the Edinburgh
>>Parliament and Police Scotland have said because of the idiotic SNP
>>hate crime bill - it is said they had to drop just about all other work
>>when they had a trial run in one area.
>
>The police divide their operations into numerous ring-fenced divisions.
>
>I don't believe for a minute they pulled people off traffic duties, or
>airport security, or policing large public events, or the pedophile
>unit, to trawl through complaints about online hate crime.

Which units will have been impacted by the new law?

Mark

JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 01/04/2024 15:46, Sam Wilson wrote:
>> Only two? I have a friend who used to be in the theatre business in
>> Scotland and complained that both BBC and ITV had moved casting for
>> Scottish-made programmes to London.
>
>
> Perhaps more Scottish actors living there than in Edinburgh?

Very possibly, but then for Scottish productions they’d need to either
impoverish themselves or claim digs and travel expenses (if that’s possible
- I don’t know what arrangements there would be for actors playing at a
remote location). Or they’d lose out to English actors capable of putting
on a Scottish accent, or… or…

Sam

--
The entity formerly known as Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk
Spit the dummy to reply

In message <uuqq7a$1uaol$1@dont-email.me>, at 06:31:07 on Sat, 6 Apr
2024, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <uuorul$1clmr$1@dont-email.me>, at 12:48:21 on Fri, 5 Apr
>> 2024, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <ii%ON.39444$lu2.23068@fx15.ams1>, at 22:05:02 on Tue, 2 Apr
>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>>> So not a parallel 24x7 version of channel 231 (and Freesat equivalent).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Which was the brief. Please harder to follow the brief.
>>>>>
>>>>> You asked a question, which was answered.
>>>>
>>>> No it wasn't, I asked about a hypothetical separate Scottish-originated
>>>> 24x7 news service.
>>>>
>>>>> Please try not to be so obnoxious when gaps in your knowledge are
>>>>> filled.
>>>>
>>>> I get frustrated when so many people miss the brief, even after I've
>>>> already re-confirmed it.
>>>
>>> I’m not convinced that you originally asked about a 24x7 Scottish news
>>> service, just a separate news service. The 24x7 qualification crept in
>>> later.
>>
>> What I asked was:
>>
>>>> BBC Scotland have a big studio centre - Pacific Quays.
>>>>
>>>> They make some stuff for network there.
>>
>>> But do they have a separate main BBC news?
>>
>> The "Main BBC News" broadcasts all day long, no just one slot.
>
>Im afraid “main BBC News” to me means their 1830 and 2100 BBC One
>broadcasts. They are the ones with the highest viewing figures. I think you
>perhaps ought have asked if Scotland had its own BBC News *channel* if that
>is what you meant.

With hindsight, yes, but that's what I meant, and felt it was clear from
the context.
--
Roland Perry