<https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68502988>
--
Graeme Wall
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In message <useij8$1jcp4$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:34:48 on Fri, 8 Mar
2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:

><https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68502988>

It's been done before (a publicity stunt by Avanti iirc).

And is the dining car on a GWR IET officially branded "Pullman" or is
the journalist getting carried away? Although actually it could be in a
siding at Didcot (or wherever).

It'll be interesting to see what location gets put on the Marriage
Certificate (and they'll have a lifetime of issues filling in forms
which ask for it).
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <useij8$1jcp4$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:34:48 on Fri, 8 Mar
> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>
>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68502988>
>
> It's been done before (a publicity stunt by Avanti iirc).
>
> And is the dining car on a GWR IET officially branded "Pullman" or is
> the journalist getting carried away? Although actually it could be in a
> siding at Didcot (or wherever).

https://www.gwr.com/travelling-with-us/pullman-dining

>
> It'll be interesting to see what location gets put on the Marriage
> Certificate (and they'll have a lifetime of issues filling in forms
> which ask for it).

I suspect the actual legal marriage will be in a registry office.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <useij8$1jcp4$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:34:48 on Fri, 8 Mar
> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>
>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68502988>
>
> It's been done before (a publicity stunt by Avanti iirc).
>
> And is the dining car on a GWR IET officially branded "Pullman" or is
> the journalist getting carried away? Although actually it could be in a
> siding at Didcot (or wherever).
>

Despite the library photo chosen to illustrate the story the most
appropriate train would be the Cornish Riviera Sleeper which has a Pullman
branded dining car. So “Wedding Ceremony”> Meal>
and off to their cabin where the earth might actually move.

GH

> It'll be interesting to see what location gets put on the Marriage
> Certificate (and they'll have a lifetime of issues filling in forms
> which ask for it).

On 8 Mar 2024 09:55, Recliner wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <useij8$1jcp4$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:34:48 on Fri, 8 Mar
>> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>
>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68502988>
>>
>> It's been done before (a publicity stunt by Avanti iirc).
>>
>> And is the dining car on a GWR IET officially branded "Pullman" or is
>> the journalist getting carried away? Although actually it could be in a
>> siding at Didcot (or wherever).
>
> https://www.gwr.com/travelling-with-us/pullman-dining
>
>>
>> It'll be interesting to see what location gets put on the Marriage
>> Certificate (and they'll have a lifetime of issues filling in forms
>> which ask for it).
>
> I suspect the actual legal marriage will be in a registry office.
>

I doubt it.

I think you might have meant a Register Office or a place
licenced for the solemnisation of marriage. A registry office is an
office in a registry (a place an organisation might keep some or of its
records) whereas a Register Office is where the Registers are kept and
maintained and is the office of the Superintendent Registrar

Rupert Moss-Eccardt <nin@moss-eccardt.com> wrote:
> On 8 Mar 2024 09:55, Recliner wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <useij8$1jcp4$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:34:48 on Fri, 8 Mar
>>> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>
>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68502988>
>>>
>>> It's been done before (a publicity stunt by Avanti iirc).
>>>
>>> And is the dining car on a GWR IET officially branded "Pullman" or is
>>> the journalist getting carried away? Although actually it could be in a
>>> siding at Didcot (or wherever).
>>
>> https://www.gwr.com/travelling-with-us/pullman-dining
>>
>>>
>>> It'll be interesting to see what location gets put on the Marriage
>>> Certificate (and they'll have a lifetime of issues filling in forms
>>> which ask for it).
>>
>> I suspect the actual legal marriage will be in a registry office.
>>
>
> I doubt it.
>
> I think you might have meant a Register Office or a place
> licenced for the solemnisation of marriage. A registry office is an
> office in a registry (a place an organisation might keep some or of its
> records) whereas a Register Office is where the Registers are kept and
> maintained and is the office of the Superintendent Registrar

Yes, my mistake.

In message <2gBGN.18069$bml7.277@fx10.ams1>, at 09:55:10 on Fri, 8 Mar
2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <useij8$1jcp4$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:34:48 on Fri, 8 Mar
>> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>
>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68502988>
>>
>> It's been done before (a publicity stunt by Avanti iirc).
>>
>> And is the dining car on a GWR IET officially branded "Pullman" or is
>> the journalist getting carried away? Although actually it could be in a
>> siding at Didcot (or wherever).
>
>https://www.gwr.com/travelling-with-us/pullman-dining

Thanks, so only three trains a day. (As far as I know every other TOC
just has at-seat First Class, not a separate carriage you have to book a
seat in as well as your regular reservation if it's an AP ticket).

I suppose they use the front coach so it's nearest the galley.

>> It'll be interesting to see what location gets put on the Marriage
>> Certificate (and they'll have a lifetime of issues filling in forms
>> which ask for it).
>
>I suspect the actual legal marriage will be in a registry office.

More misinformation from the press, then. No wonder pax get confused.
--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <2gBGN.18069$bml7.277@fx10.ams1>, at 09:55:10 on Fri, 8 Mar
> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <useij8$1jcp4$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:34:48 on Fri, 8 Mar
>>> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>
>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68502988>
>>>
>>> It's been done before (a publicity stunt by Avanti iirc).
>>>
>>> And is the dining car on a GWR IET officially branded "Pullman" or is
>>> the journalist getting carried away? Although actually it could be in a
>>> siding at Didcot (or wherever).
>>
>> https://www.gwr.com/travelling-with-us/pullman-dining
>
> Thanks, so only three trains a day. (As far as I know every other TOC
> just has at-seat First Class, not a separate carriage you have to book a
> seat in as well as your regular reservation if it's an AP ticket).
>
> I suppose they use the front coach so it's nearest the galley.
>
>>> It'll be interesting to see what location gets put on the Marriage
>>> Certificate (and they'll have a lifetime of issues filling in forms
>>> which ask for it).
>>
>> I suspect the actual legal marriage will be in a registry office.
>
> More misinformation from the press, then. No wonder pax get confused.

I supposd they could have a celebration on the train, even if the low key
legal formalities had already been completed at a venue with a civil
marriage licence near Paddington (such as the Paddington Hilton). This
happens with many religions whose worship places and priests aren't
licensed.

But there's another oddity: there's only one scheduled Paddington-Swansea
Pullman dining service each day, at 1748. So they wouldn't have been
tucking into a wedding breakfast on that train!

Presumably GWR swapped a Pullman set for a normal 800 on a morning service,
and reserved the whole Pullman car for the wedding party?

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <2gBGN.18069$bml7.277@fx10.ams1>, at 09:55:10 on Fri, 8 Mar
> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <useij8$1jcp4$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:34:48 on Fri, 8 Mar
>>> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>
>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68502988>
>>>
>>> It's been done before (a publicity stunt by Avanti iirc).
>>>
>>> And is the dining car on a GWR IET officially branded "Pullman" or is
>>> the journalist getting carried away? Although actually it could be in a
>>> siding at Didcot (or wherever).
>>
>> https://www.gwr.com/travelling-with-us/pullman-dining
>
> Thanks, so only three trains a day. (As far as I know every other TOC
> just has at-seat First Class, not a separate carriage you have to book a
> seat in as well as your regular reservation if it's an AP ticket).
>
> I suppose they use the front coach so it's nearest the galley.

Yes, it seems to be in the first class coach at the London end of the
train. The reviews are very good, and the prices reasonable, but it only
has 18 seats:

https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g186338-d3339988-Reviews-GWR_Pullman_Dining-London_England.html

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <2gBGN.18069$bml7.277@fx10.ams1>, at 09:55:10 on Fri, 8 Mar
>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <useij8$1jcp4$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:34:48 on Fri, 8 Mar
>>>> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68502988>
>>>>
>>>> It's been done before (a publicity stunt by Avanti iirc).
>>>>
>>>> And is the dining car on a GWR IET officially branded "Pullman" or is
>>>> the journalist getting carried away? Although actually it could be in a
>>>> siding at Didcot (or wherever).
>>>
>>> https://www.gwr.com/travelling-with-us/pullman-dining
>>
>> Thanks, so only three trains a day. (As far as I know every other TOC
>> just has at-seat First Class, not a separate carriage you have to book a
>> seat in as well as your regular reservation if it's an AP ticket).
>>
>> I suppose they use the front coach so it's nearest the galley.
>
> Yes, it seems to be in the first class coach at the London end of the
> train. The reviews are very good, and the prices reasonable, but it only
> has 18 seats:
>
> https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g186338-d3339988-Reviews-GWR_Pullman_Dining-London_England.html
>

More:

The actual legal ceremony took place earlier in the week, not necessarily
anywhere near Paddington. This appears to be the train they took:
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L65322/2024-03-08#allox_id=0

It ends at Cardiff, so I'm not sure if the happy couple continued on the
ECS to the Swansea depot?

If you are a fan of tats, you might enyoy the video:
https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1766170986016034817/pu/pl/U8sccRQte0aPbMaq.m3u8?tag=12&container=cmaf

Full marks to GWR marketing department for promoting this idea.

In message <1QLGN.73927$I2y9.3495@fx03.ams1>, at 21:56:13 on Fri, 8 Mar
2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> I suspect the actual legal marriage will be in a registry office.
>>
>> More misinformation from the press, then. No wonder pax get confused.
>
>I supposd they could have a celebration on the train, even if the low key
>legal formalities had already been completed at a venue with a civil
>marriage licence near Paddington (such as the Paddington Hilton).

Which doesn't have to be on the same day.

>This happens with many religions whose worship places and priests
>aren't licensed.

The BBC article mentions "Railway Chaplain", would they be licenced?

If not it's even more obfuscation, on top of "It is thought to be the
first wedding in the UK to be entirely held on a moving train."

(Apart from the fact I think Avanti did one a few years ago as another
publicity stunt).

>But there's another oddity: there's only one scheduled Paddington-Swansea
>Pullman dining service each day, at 1748. So they wouldn't have been
>tucking into a wedding breakfast on that train!
>
>Presumably GWR swapped a Pullman set for a normal 800 on a morning service,
>and reserved the whole Pullman car for the wedding party?

Is it actually a special car, or just the front FC cabin reserved for
Pullman service on the three trains a day? Do the trains in question
have regular at-seat service in the other carriages, or is that
suspended.

When I was on an Avanti IET in the summer, they had a rather curious
setup which was FC at-seat service only in the front carriage (which has
about half as many seats as others because of the driving cab and
galley) and then two or three FC cars where they don't do at-seat
service. Needless to say the former was full and the latter empty.

FWIW the standard carriages were full and standing.

LNER on the other hand does an admittedly inferior at-seat service in
all their FC carriages.
--
Roland Perry

In message <B2OGN.73928$I2y9.2907@fx03.ams1>, at 00:28:17 on Sat, 9 Mar
2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>> In message <2gBGN.18069$bml7.277@fx10.ams1>, at 09:55:10 on Fri, 8 Mar
>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <useij8$1jcp4$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:34:48 on Fri, 8 Mar
>>>>> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68502988>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's been done before (a publicity stunt by Avanti iirc).
>>>>>
>>>>> And is the dining car on a GWR IET officially branded "Pullman" or is
>>>>> the journalist getting carried away? Although actually it could be in a
>>>>> siding at Didcot (or wherever).
>>>>
>>>> https://www.gwr.com/travelling-with-us/pullman-dining
>>>
>>> Thanks, so only three trains a day. (As far as I know every other TOC
>>> just has at-seat First Class, not a separate carriage you have to book a
>>> seat in as well as your regular reservation if it's an AP ticket).
>>>
>>> I suppose they use the front coach so it's nearest the galley.
>>
>> Yes, it seems to be in the first class coach at the London end of the
>> train. The reviews are very good, and the prices reasonable, but it only
>> has 18 seats:
>>
>>
>>https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g186338-d3339988-Review
>>s-GWR_Pullman_Dining-London_England.html
>>
>
>More:
>
>The actual legal ceremony took place earlier in the week, not necessarily
>anywhere near Paddington. This appears to be the train they took:
> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L65322/2024-03-08#allox_id=0

The plot thickens! The only morning Pullman mentioned on the GWR website
is the 13:04 to Plymouth.

>It ends at Cardiff, so I'm not sure if the happy couple continued on the
>ECS to the Swansea depot?

The regular afternoon service is the 17:48 to Swansea

>If you are a fan of tats, you might enyoy the video:
>
>https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1766170986016034817/pu/pl/U8sccRQte
>0aPbMaq.m3u8?tag=12&container=cmaf
>
>Full marks to GWR marketing department for promoting this idea.

--
Roland Perry

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <1QLGN.73927$I2y9.3495@fx03.ams1>, at 21:56:13 on Fri, 8 Mar
> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>> I suspect the actual legal marriage will be in a registry office.
>>>
>>> More misinformation from the press, then. No wonder pax get confused.
>>
>> I supposd they could have a celebration on the train, even if the low key
>> legal formalities had already been completed at a venue with a civil
>> marriage licence near Paddington (such as the Paddington Hilton).
>
> Which doesn't have to be on the same day.
>
>> This happens with many religions whose worship places and priests
>> aren't licensed.
>
> The BBC article mentions "Railway Chaplain", would they be licenced?
>
> If not it's even more obfuscation, on top of "It is thought to be the
> first wedding in the UK to be entirely held on a moving train."
>
> (Apart from the fact I think Avanti did one a few years ago as another
> publicity stunt).
>
>> But there's another oddity: there's only one scheduled Paddington-Swansea
>> Pullman dining service each day, at 1748. So they wouldn't have been
>> tucking into a wedding breakfast on that train!
>>
>> Presumably GWR swapped a Pullman set for a normal 800 on a morning service,
>> and reserved the whole Pullman car for the wedding party?
>
> Is it actually a special car, or just the front FC cabin reserved for
> Pullman service on the three trains a day?

Perhaps the very few Pullman trains have a larger kitchen (but with fewer
seats) with more room for the chef(s) to cook a choice of hot meals? Even
if not, they'd still need extra staff for those services.

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <B2OGN.73928$I2y9.2907@fx03.ams1>, at 00:28:17 on Sat, 9 Mar
> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <2gBGN.18069$bml7.277@fx10.ams1>, at 09:55:10 on Fri, 8 Mar
>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <useij8$1jcp4$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:34:48 on Fri, 8 Mar
>>>>>> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68502988>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's been done before (a publicity stunt by Avanti iirc).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And is the dining car on a GWR IET officially branded "Pullman" or is
>>>>>> the journalist getting carried away? Although actually it could be in a
>>>>>> siding at Didcot (or wherever).
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.gwr.com/travelling-with-us/pullman-dining
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, so only three trains a day. (As far as I know every other TOC
>>>> just has at-seat First Class, not a separate carriage you have to book a
>>>> seat in as well as your regular reservation if it's an AP ticket).
>>>>
>>>> I suppose they use the front coach so it's nearest the galley.
>>>
>>> Yes, it seems to be in the first class coach at the London end of the
>>> train. The reviews are very good, and the prices reasonable, but it only
>>> has 18 seats:
>>>
>>>
>>> https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g186338-d3339988-Review
>>> s-GWR_Pullman_Dining-London_England.html
>>>
>>
>> More:
>>
>> The actual legal ceremony took place earlier in the week, not necessarily
>> anywhere near Paddington. This appears to be the train they took:
>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L65322/2024-03-08#allox_id=0
>
> The plot thickens! The only morning Pullman mentioned on the GWR website
> is the 13:04 to Plymouth.

As I said in another post, this wasn't the normal evening Pullman service
to Swansea. It was a special lunchtime Pullman service organised by GWR,
with a floral decorated carriage (and the video shows the wedding cake).

So, to repeat, well done to GWR for offering, organising and publicising
this event. The nationalised rail industry should do more of this sort of
thing. The charter companies certainly do.

On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 01:57:20 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:

>In message <B2OGN.73928$I2y9.2907@fx03.ams1>, at 00:28:17 on Sat, 9 Mar
>2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <2gBGN.18069$bml7.277@fx10.ams1>, at 09:55:10 on Fri, 8 Mar
>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> In message <useij8$1jcp4$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:34:48 on Fri, 8 Mar
>>>>>> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68502988>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's been done before (a publicity stunt by Avanti iirc).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And is the dining car on a GWR IET officially branded "Pullman" or is
>>>>>> the journalist getting carried away? Although actually it could be in a
>>>>>> siding at Didcot (or wherever).
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.gwr.com/travelling-with-us/pullman-dining
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, so only three trains a day. (As far as I know every other TOC
>>>> just has at-seat First Class, not a separate carriage you have to book a
>>>> seat in as well as your regular reservation if it's an AP ticket).
>>>>
>>>> I suppose they use the front coach so it's nearest the galley.
>>>
>>> Yes, it seems to be in the first class coach at the London end of the
>>> train. The reviews are very good, and the prices reasonable, but it only
>>> has 18 seats:
>>>
>>>
>>>https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g186338-d3339988-Review
>>>s-GWR_Pullman_Dining-London_England.html
>>>
>>
>>More:
>>
>>The actual legal ceremony took place earlier in the week, not necessarily
>>anywhere near Paddington. This appears to be the train they took:
>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L65322/2024-03-08#allox_id=0
>
>The plot thickens! The only morning Pullman mentioned on the GWR website
>is the 13:04 to Plymouth.
>
>>It ends at Cardiff, so I'm not sure if the happy couple continued on the
>>ECS to the Swansea depot?
>
>The regular afternoon service is the 17:48 to Swansea

Well, at least the bride had a train...

Nobody <jock@soccer.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 9 Mar 2024 01:57:20 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
> wrote:
>
>> In message <B2OGN.73928$I2y9.2907@fx03.ams1>, at 00:28:17 on Sat, 9 Mar
>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <2gBGN.18069$bml7.277@fx10.ams1>, at 09:55:10 on Fri, 8 Mar
>>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <useij8$1jcp4$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:34:48 on Fri, 8 Mar
>>>>>>> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68502988>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's been done before (a publicity stunt by Avanti iirc).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And is the dining car on a GWR IET officially branded "Pullman" or is
>>>>>>> the journalist getting carried away? Although actually it could be in a
>>>>>>> siding at Didcot (or wherever).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.gwr.com/travelling-with-us/pullman-dining
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, so only three trains a day. (As far as I know every other TOC
>>>>> just has at-seat First Class, not a separate carriage you have to book a
>>>>> seat in as well as your regular reservation if it's an AP ticket).
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose they use the front coach so it's nearest the galley.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it seems to be in the first class coach at the London end of the
>>>> train. The reviews are very good, and the prices reasonable, but it only
>>>> has 18 seats:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g186338-d3339988-Review
>>>> s-GWR_Pullman_Dining-London_England.html
>>>>
>>>
>>> More:
>>>
>>> The actual legal ceremony took place earlier in the week, not necessarily
>>> anywhere near Paddington. This appears to be the train they took:
>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L65322/2024-03-08#allox_id=0
>>
>> The plot thickens! The only morning Pullman mentioned on the GWR website
>> is the 13:04 to Plymouth.
>>
>>> It ends at Cardiff, so I'm not sure if the happy couple continued on the
>>> ECS to the Swansea depot?
>>
>> The regular afternoon service is the 17:48 to Swansea
>
> Well, at least the bride had a train...

She looks like a tough lady who can look after herself. She certainly has
a high pain threshold.

In message <B2OGN.73928$I2y9.2907@fx03.ams1>, at 00:28:17 on Sat, 9 Mar
2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:

>This appears to be the train they took:

> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L65322/2024-03-08#allox_id=0
>
>It ends at Cardiff, so I'm not sure if the happy couple continued on the
>ECS to the Swansea depot?

Yes they did. The family were de-trained at Cardiff.

There's a film report of the trip on today's BBC Breakfast which <thread
convergence> I'm watching as I type. With the reporters continuing to
insist they were married on the train.
--
Roland Perry

In message <PSPGN.178944$Fr1.103101@fx11.ams1>, at 02:32:15 on Sat, 9
Mar 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>> In message <B2OGN.73928$I2y9.2907@fx03.ams1>, at 00:28:17 on Sat, 9 Mar
>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <2gBGN.18069$bml7.277@fx10.ams1>, at 09:55:10 on Fri, 8 Mar
>>>>> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>> In message <useij8$1jcp4$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:34:48 on Fri, 8 Mar
>>>>>>> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68502988>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It's been done before (a publicity stunt by Avanti iirc).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And is the dining car on a GWR IET officially branded "Pullman" or is
>>>>>>> the journalist getting carried away? Although actually it could be in a
>>>>>>> siding at Didcot (or wherever).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.gwr.com/travelling-with-us/pullman-dining
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, so only three trains a day. (As far as I know every other TOC
>>>>> just has at-seat First Class, not a separate carriage you have to book a
>>>>> seat in as well as your regular reservation if it's an AP ticket).
>>>>>
>>>>> I suppose they use the front coach so it's nearest the galley.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, it seems to be in the first class coach at the London end of the
>>>> train. The reviews are very good, and the prices reasonable, but it only
>>>> has 18 seats:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> https://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/Restaurant_Review-g186338-d3339988-Review
>>>> s-GWR_Pullman_Dining-London_England.html
>>>>
>>>
>>> More:
>>>
>>> The actual legal ceremony took place earlier in the week, not necessarily
>>> anywhere near Paddington. This appears to be the train they took:
>>> https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:L65322/2024-03-08#allox_id=0
>>
>> The plot thickens! The only morning Pullman mentioned on the GWR website
>> is the 13:04 to Plymouth.
>
>As I said in another post, this wasn't the normal evening Pullman service
>to Swansea. It was a special lunchtime Pullman service organised by GWR,
>with a floral decorated carriage (and the video shows the wedding cake).
>
>So, to repeat, well done to GWR for offering, organising and publicising
>this event. The nationalised rail industry should do more of this sort of
>thing. The charter companies certainly do.

GWR have a special unit who organise special trains (for the public
not the Royalty) for things like Royal visits, Glastonbury, Rugby
Internationals etc. With all staff photogenic and on their best
behaviour.

A few years ago there was a fly-on-the-wall series which it became
rapidly obvious was filmed mainly (or possibly even exclusively) on
such special trains rather than regular ones.

The risk is the public think that regular trains are like that, but
are disappointed when deciding to travel on one expecting the same
experience.
--
Roland Perry

On 08/03/2024 21:56, Recliner wrote:
> I supposd they could have a celebration on the train, even if the low key
> legal formalities had already been completed at a venue with a civil
> marriage licence near Paddington (such as the Paddington Hilton). This
> happens with many religions whose worship places and priests aren't
> licensed.
>
> But there's another oddity: there's only one scheduled Paddington-Swansea
> Pullman dining service each day, at 1748. So they wouldn't have been
> tucking into a wedding breakfast on that train!
>
> Presumably GWR swapped a Pullman set for a normal 800 on a morning service,
> and reserved the whole Pullman car for the wedding party?

Wedding "breakfasts" don't necessarily happen at breakfast time!
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 08/03/2024 21:56, Recliner wrote:
>> I supposd they could have a celebration on the train, even if the low key
>> legal formalities had already been completed at a venue with a civil
>> marriage licence near Paddington (such as the Paddington Hilton). This
>> happens with many religions whose worship places and priests aren't
>> licensed.
>>
>> But there's another oddity: there's only one scheduled Paddington-Swansea
>> Pullman dining service each day, at 1748. So they wouldn't have been
>> tucking into a wedding breakfast on that train!
>>
>> Presumably GWR swapped a Pullman set for a normal 800 on a morning service,
>> and reserved the whole Pullman car for the wedding party?
>
> Wedding "breakfasts" don't necessarily happen at breakfast time!

This one was at lunch time, and judging by the video, was lunchtime fare.

In message <ush6fr$27ngl$2@dont-email.me>, at 08:26:35 on Sat, 9 Mar
2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>On 08/03/2024 21:56, Recliner wrote:
>> I supposd they could have a celebration on the train, even if the low key
>> legal formalities had already been completed at a venue with a civil
>> marriage licence near Paddington (such as the Paddington Hilton). This
>> happens with many religions whose worship places and priests aren't
>> licensed.

>> But there's another oddity: there's only one scheduled
>>Paddington-Swansea Pullman dining service each day, at 1748. So they
>>wouldn't have been tucking into a wedding breakfast on that train!
>> Presumably GWR swapped a Pullman set

>> for a normal 800 on a morning service,
>> and reserved the whole Pullman car for the wedding party?
>
>Wedding "breakfasts" don't necessarily happen at breakfast time!

Sure, but this one was at lunchtime rather than early evening.
--
Roland Perry

On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 17:44:15 GMT, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Rupert Moss-Eccardt <nin@moss-eccardt.com> wrote:
>> On 8 Mar 2024 09:55, Recliner wrote:
>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>> In message <useij8$1jcp4$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:34:48 on Fri, 8 Mar
>>>> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68502988>
>>>>
>>>> It's been done before (a publicity stunt by Avanti iirc).
>>>>
>>>> And is the dining car on a GWR IET officially branded "Pullman" or is
>>>> the journalist getting carried away? Although actually it could be in a
>>>> siding at Didcot (or wherever).
>>>
>>> https://www.gwr.com/travelling-with-us/pullman-dining
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It'll be interesting to see what location gets put on the Marriage
>>>> Certificate (and they'll have a lifetime of issues filling in forms
>>>> which ask for it).
>>>
>>> I suspect the actual legal marriage will be in a registry office.
>>>
>>
>> I doubt it.
>>
>> I think you might have meant a Register Office or a place
>> licenced for the solemnisation of marriage. A registry office is an
>> office in a registry (a place an organisation might keep some or of its
>> records) whereas a Register Office is where the Registers are kept and
>> maintained and is the office of the Superintendent Registrar
>
>Yes, my mistake.
>
"Registry Office" is simply a common misnomer for a Register Office.
AFAIAA registrations in England and Wales have since c.2021 done what
has applied in Scotland since 1855 - there is one (now electronic)
register for the entire registration district with the details copied
from a schedule submitted by the married parties. All marriages are
thus in the same "place", i.e. the registration district but with the
precise location given in each individual record.

On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 19:33:51 +0000, Charles Ellson
<charlesellson@btinternet.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 17:44:15 GMT, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Rupert Moss-Eccardt <nin@moss-eccardt.com> wrote:
>>> On 8 Mar 2024 09:55, Recliner wrote:
>>>> Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>>>>> In message <useij8$1jcp4$1@dont-email.me>, at 08:34:48 on Fri, 8 Mar
>>>>> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-68502988>
>>>>>
>>>>> It's been done before (a publicity stunt by Avanti iirc).
>>>>>
>>>>> And is the dining car on a GWR IET officially branded "Pullman" or is
>>>>> the journalist getting carried away? Although actually it could be in a
>>>>> siding at Didcot (or wherever).
>>>>
>>>> https://www.gwr.com/travelling-with-us/pullman-dining
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It'll be interesting to see what location gets put on the Marriage
>>>>> Certificate (and they'll have a lifetime of issues filling in forms
>>>>> which ask for it).
>>>>
>>>> I suspect the actual legal marriage will be in a registry office.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I doubt it.
>>>
>>> I think you might have meant a Register Office or a place
>>> licenced for the solemnisation of marriage. A registry office is an
>>> office in a registry (a place an organisation might keep some or of its
>>> records) whereas a Register Office is where the Registers are kept and
>>> maintained and is the office of the Superintendent Registrar
>>
>>Yes, my mistake.
>>
>"Registry Office" is simply a common misnomer for a Register Office.
>AFAIAA registrations in England and Wales have since c.2021 done what
>has applied in Scotland since 1855 - there is one (now electronic)
>register for the entire registration district with the details copied
>from a schedule submitted by the married parties. All marriages are
>thus in the same "place", i.e. the registration district but with the
>precise location given in each individual record.
>
Having now dug up the "Registrar General's guidance for the
approval of premises as venues for civil marriages and civil
partnerships"
<https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/guidance-on-registering-a-venue-for-civil-marriage-and-civil-partnership
it doesn't look like a moving train can be a lawful marriage place in
England and Wales unless it is confined to the "linked outdoor area"
of a registered marriage place.

In message <932suilmjglathf32ro31tk9ksk2banei7@4ax.com>, at 19:33:51 on
Sun, 10 Mar 2024, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
remarked:

>"Registry Office" is simply a common misnomer for a Register Office.
>AFAIAA registrations in England and Wales have since c.2021 done what
>has applied in Scotland since 1855 - there is one (now electronic)
>register for the entire registration district with the details copied
>from a schedule submitted by the married parties. All marriages are
>thus in the same "place", i.e. the registration district but with the
>precise location given in each individual record.

The terminology is old English as tends to be frozen by our America
friends. Hence their "Register of Copyrights" is a person, not a
database (a person I met back in the day).

Hence I would expect "Register Office" historically to be the building
where the Register (a person) worked. Although the job title at some
stage changed to "Registrar".
--
Roland Perry

On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 19:58:31 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk>
wrote:

>In message <932suilmjglathf32ro31tk9ksk2banei7@4ax.com>, at 19:33:51 on
>Sun, 10 Mar 2024, Charles Ellson <charlesellson@btinternet.com>
>remarked:
>
>>"Registry Office" is simply a common misnomer for a Register Office.
>>AFAIAA registrations in England and Wales have since c.2021 done what
>>has applied in Scotland since 1855 - there is one (now electronic)
>>register for the entire registration district with the details copied
>>from a schedule submitted by the married parties. All marriages are
>>thus in the same "place", i.e. the registration district but with the
>>precise location given in each individual record.
>
>The terminology is old English as tends to be frozen by our America
>friends. Hence their "Register of Copyrights" is a person, not a
>database (a person I met back in the day).
>
>Hence I would expect "Register Office" historically to be the building
>where the Register (a person) worked. Although the job title at some
>stage changed to "Registrar".
>
Register Offices have only been around since 1837.