Quick query, when did trains stop displaying headcodes?

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Graeme Wall
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Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> Quick query, when did trains stop displaying headcodes?

Pendolini still do, 'VT1H04' on the door display:

https://chrisjeffery.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Pendolino-Door-Displays.jpg

On 07/03/2024 11:07, Theo wrote:
> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> Quick query, when did trains stop displaying headcodes?
>
> Pendolini still do, 'VT1H04' on the door display:
>
> https://chrisjeffery.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2022/05/Pendolino-Door-Displays.jpg

Errr, that is not the "head" of the train, what you are showing is just
a code or a train code, but no longer a "headcode".

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On 07/03/2024 09:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
> Quick query, when did trains stop displaying headcodes?
>
75/76/77. Different depots kept it longer than others.

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On Southern I think it was a year or two into the Electrostar era, so maybe
2006/7.

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On 07/03/2024 09:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
> Quick query, when did trains stop displaying headcodes?
>
I saw a few specials displaying their headcodes last summer so not yet!

On 07/03/2024 14:20, Alan Lee wrote:
> On 07/03/2024 09:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> Quick query, when did trains stop displaying headcodes?
>>
> 75/76/77. Different depots kept it longer than others.
>

Thanks, last photo I can find with one actually in use was 1974; a class
50 at Reading.

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On 07/03/2024 19:28, D A Stocks wrote:
> "Graeme Wall" <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:usc2o3$vufh$1@dont-email.me...
>> Quick query, when did trains stop displaying headcodes?
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>> Graeme Wall
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>
> On Southern I think it was a year or two into the Electrostar era, so
> maybe 2006/7.
>

As late as that?

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On 07/03/2024 20:20, Coffee wrote:
> On 07/03/2024 09:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> Quick query, when did trains stop displaying headcodes?
>>
> I saw a few specials displaying their headcodes last summer so not yet!

Were they the proper headcodes or the loco pre-tops number?
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On 07/03/2024 19:28, D A Stocks wrote:
> "Graeme Wall" <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:usc2o3$vufh$1@dont-email.me...
>> Quick query, when did trains stop displaying headcodes?
>>
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>> Graeme Wall
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>
> On Southern I think it was a year or two into the Electrostar era, so
> maybe 2006/7.

Southern certainly lasted much longer than elsewhere but were more of a
route code, mostly two digits (e.g. 63 for Basingstoke stoppers) rather
than the national 1A23 format.

On 07/03/2024 21:17, Graeme Wall wrote:
> On 07/03/2024 20:20, Coffee wrote:
>> On 07/03/2024 09:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>> Quick query, when did trains stop displaying headcodes?
>>>
>> I saw a few specials displaying their headcodes last summer so not yet!
>
> Were they the proper headcodes or the loco pre-tops number?

They were 1Zxx.

On 08/03/2024 08:43, Coffee wrote:
> On 07/03/2024 21:17, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> On 07/03/2024 20:20, Coffee wrote:
>>> On 07/03/2024 09:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>> Quick query, when did trains stop displaying headcodes?
>>>>
>>> I saw a few specials displaying their headcodes last summer so not yet!
>>
>> Were they the proper headcodes or the loco pre-tops number?
>
> They were 1Zxx.

Proper codes then. Don't think that really counts :-)
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Graeme Wall
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On 07/03/2024 21:16, Graeme Wall wrote:

> On 07/03/2024 14:20, Alan Lee wrote:
>> On 07/03/2024 09:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>> Quick query, when did trains stop displaying headcodes?
>>>
>> 75/76/77. Different depots kept it longer than others.
>>
>
> Thanks, last photo I can find with one actually in use was 1974; a class
> 50 at Reading.

Some ER units carried them until the late 70s/early 80s. There are
pictures of new 315s with four-character headcode blinds.

Cheers,
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to prove it at all." - Avon, Blake's 7

On 10/03/2024 14:10, Robert wrote:
> On 07/03/2024 21:16, Graeme Wall wrote:
>
>> On 07/03/2024 14:20, Alan Lee wrote:
>>> On 07/03/2024 09:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>> Quick query, when did trains stop displaying headcodes?
>>>>
>>> 75/76/77. Different depots kept it longer than others.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks, last photo I can find with one actually in use was 1974; a
>> class 50 at Reading.
>
> Some ER units carried them until the late 70s/early 80s. There are
> pictures of new 315s with four-character headcode blinds.
>

Thanks for that. My earliest shot of a 315 is dated 1986 and there is a
destination blind above the driver's window but no evidence of a
headcode box. Presumably they were mounted in what is now a window in
the corridor connection door

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On 10/03/2024 15:06, Graeme Wall wrote:
> On 10/03/2024 14:10, Robert wrote:
>> On 07/03/2024 21:16, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/03/2024 14:20, Alan Lee wrote:
>>>> On 07/03/2024 09:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>> Quick query, when did trains stop displaying headcodes?
>>>>>
>>>> 75/76/77. Different depots kept it longer than others.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, last photo I can find with one actually in use was 1974; a
>>> class 50 at Reading.
>>
>> Some ER units carried them until the late 70s/early 80s. There are
>> pictures of new 315s with four-character headcode blinds.
>>
>
> Thanks for that. My earliest shot of a 315 is dated 1986 and there is a
> destination blind above the driver's window but no evidence of a
> headcode box. Presumably they were mounted in what is now a window in
> the corridor connection door
>

Some locos displayed 4 "zeros" (or letter "o"s) in the mid 1970s until
blue paint was applied to the headcode panels. Of my own photos, the
transition seems to have taken place around 1975/1976.

On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 15:06:08 +0000, Graeme Wall
<rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>On 10/03/2024 14:10, Robert wrote:
>> On 07/03/2024 21:16, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/03/2024 14:20, Alan Lee wrote:
>>>> On 07/03/2024 09:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>> Quick query, when did trains stop displaying headcodes?
>>>>>
>>>> 75/76/77. Different depots kept it longer than others.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks, last photo I can find with one actually in use was 1974; a
>>> class 50 at Reading.
>>
>> Some ER units carried them until the late 70s/early 80s. There are
>> pictures of new 315s with four-character headcode blinds.
>>
>
>Thanks for that. My earliest shot of a 315 is dated 1986 and there is a
>destination blind above the driver's window but no evidence of a
>headcode box. Presumably they were mounted in what is now a window in
>the corridor connection door
>
Class 501s displayed headcodes until withdrawn c.1985. I'm fairly sure
that two-digit headcodes in Scotland and the Southern Region continued
long after that on stock where the headcode was integral to the
destination blind/display.

On 10/03/2024 19:12, Charles Ellson wrote:
> On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 15:06:08 +0000, Graeme Wall
> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 10/03/2024 14:10, Robert wrote:
>>> On 07/03/2024 21:16, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 07/03/2024 14:20, Alan Lee wrote:
>>>>> On 07/03/2024 09:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>>> Quick query, when did trains stop displaying headcodes?
>>>>>>
>>>>> 75/76/77. Different depots kept it longer than others.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks, last photo I can find with one actually in use was 1974; a
>>>> class 50 at Reading.
>>>
>>> Some ER units carried them until the late 70s/early 80s. There are
>>> pictures of new 315s with four-character headcode blinds.
>>>
>>
>> Thanks for that. My earliest shot of a 315 is dated 1986 and there is a
>> destination blind above the driver's window but no evidence of a
>> headcode box. Presumably they were mounted in what is now a window in
>> the corridor connection door
>>
> Class 501s displayed headcodes until withdrawn c.1985. I'm fairly sure
> that two-digit headcodes in Scotland and the Southern Region continued
> long after that on stock where the headcode was integral to the
> destination blind/display.

I've found a photo of a 4-BEP set at Southampton displaying headcode 93
in 2001.
<https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/BR_4-BEP_3204.jpg>
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On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 19:30:05 +0000, Graeme Wall
<rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>On 10/03/2024 19:12, Charles Ellson wrote:
>> On Sun, 10 Mar 2024 15:06:08 +0000, Graeme Wall
>> <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> On 10/03/2024 14:10, Robert wrote:
>>>> On 07/03/2024 21:16, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 07/03/2024 14:20, Alan Lee wrote:
>>>>>> On 07/03/2024 09:52, Graeme Wall wrote:
>>>>>>> Quick query, when did trains stop displaying headcodes?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> 75/76/77. Different depots kept it longer than others.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks, last photo I can find with one actually in use was 1974; a
>>>>> class 50 at Reading.
>>>>
>>>> Some ER units carried them until the late 70s/early 80s. There are
>>>> pictures of new 315s with four-character headcode blinds.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for that. My earliest shot of a 315 is dated 1986 and there is a
>>> destination blind above the driver's window but no evidence of a
>>> headcode box. Presumably they were mounted in what is now a window in
>>> the corridor connection door
>>>
>> Class 501s displayed headcodes until withdrawn c.1985. I'm fairly sure
>> that two-digit headcodes in Scotland and the Southern Region continued
>> long after that on stock where the headcode was integral to the
>> destination blind/display.
>
>I've found a photo of a 4-BEP set at Southampton displaying headcode 93
>in 2001.
><https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a8/BR_4-BEP_3204.jpg>
>
Apparently still in use on SW 455s in 2019 which supports my memory of
having seen them in that part of the world.
https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/what-is-are-the-numbers-on-class-455-destination-blinds.189029/

While not strictly headcodes I am also fairly sure that train
reporting numbers have been occasionally displayed in very recent
times on the external and/or internal displays of SR trains out of
London Bridge, perhaps when manually set (if that can be done?).