Decades after Beeching, rural rail lines could be back on track

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/92d7b064-4889-4254-bd1c-9f30998e5e66?shareToken=778188fee2193555951febb10732a42e

On 26/02/2024 11:15, Recliner wrote:
> Decades after Beeching, rural rail lines could be back on track
>
> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/92d7b064-4889-4254-bd1c-9f30998e5e66?shareToken=778188fee2193555951febb10732a42e
>
>

Running line of sight, tramway style, at 60 mph doesn't sound very clever.
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Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 26/02/2024 11:15, Recliner wrote:
>> Decades after Beeching, rural rail lines could be back on track
>>
>> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/92d7b064-4889-4254-bd1c-9f30998e5e66?shareToken=778188fee2193555951febb10732a42e
>>
>>
>
> Running line of sight, tramway style, at 60 mph doesn't sound very clever.

It's probably not both at once. And on shorter branch lines, it would
probably run on a one-train-in-steam basis.

On 26/02/2024 15:35, Recliner wrote:
> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 26/02/2024 11:15, Recliner wrote:
>>> Decades after Beeching, rural rail lines could be back on track
>>>
>>> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/92d7b064-4889-4254-bd1c-9f30998e5e66?shareToken=778188fee2193555951febb10732a42e
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Running line of sight, tramway style, at 60 mph doesn't sound very clever.
>
> It's probably not both at once. And on shorter branch lines, it would
> probably run on a one-train-in-steam basis.
>

In which case there is probably not enough traffic to make it viable.
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Graeme Wall
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Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> On 26/02/2024 15:35, Recliner wrote:
>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 26/02/2024 11:15, Recliner wrote:
>>>> Decades after Beeching, rural rail lines could be back on track
>>>>
>>>> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/92d7b064-4889-4254-bd1c-9f30998e5e66?shareToken=778188fee2193555951febb10732a42e
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Running line of sight, tramway style, at 60 mph doesn't sound very clever.
>>
>> It's probably not both at once. And on shorter branch lines, it would
>> probably run on a one-train-in-steam basis.
>>
>
> In which case there is probably not enough traffic to make it viable.

As the article says, the main market is likely to be exports.

On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 15:50:18 GMT
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 26/02/2024 15:35, Recliner wrote:
>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 26/02/2024 11:15, Recliner wrote:
>>>>> Decades after Beeching, rural rail lines could be back on track
>>>>>
>>>>>
>https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/92d7b064-4889-4254-bd1c-9f30998e5e66?shareTo
>ken=778188fee2193555951febb10732a42e
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Running line of sight, tramway style, at 60 mph doesn't sound very clever.
>>>
>>> It's probably not both at once. And on shorter branch lines, it would
>>> probably run on a one-train-in-steam basis.
>>>
>>
>> In which case there is probably not enough traffic to make it viable.
>
>As the article says, the main market is likely to be exports.

If there's any kind of reasonable market for these sorts of things then the
tram builders would have been in on the act by now.

<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 15:50:18 GMT
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>> On 26/02/2024 15:35, Recliner wrote:
>>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 26/02/2024 11:15, Recliner wrote:
>>>>>> Decades after Beeching, rural rail lines could be back on track
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/92d7b064-4889-4254-bd1c-9f30998e5e66?shareTo
>> ken=778188fee2193555951febb10732a42e
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Running line of sight, tramway style, at 60 mph doesn't sound very clever.
>>>>
>>>> It's probably not both at once. And on shorter branch lines, it would
>>>> probably run on a one-train-in-steam basis.
>>>>
>>>
>>> In which case there is probably not enough traffic to make it viable.
>>
>> As the article says, the main market is likely to be exports.
>
> If there's any kind of reasonable market for these sorts of things then the
> tram builders would have been in on the act by now.

Even if this idea is genuinely new, it'll be the tram or bus builders who
manufacture them (under licence if the IP is well protected). Ideally,
it'll be a standard product, built in volume, not custom-built for small
orders.

On 26/02/2024 15:50, Recliner wrote:
> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> On 26/02/2024 15:35, Recliner wrote:
>>> Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 26/02/2024 11:15, Recliner wrote:
>>>>> Decades after Beeching, rural rail lines could be back on track
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/92d7b064-4889-4254-bd1c-9f30998e5e66?shareToken=778188fee2193555951febb10732a42e
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Running line of sight, tramway style, at 60 mph doesn't sound very clever.
>>>
>>> It's probably not both at once. And on shorter branch lines, it would
>>> probably run on a one-train-in-steam basis.
>>>
>>
>> In which case there is probably not enough traffic to make it viable.
>
> As the article says, the main market is likely to be exports.
>

In which case it is competing against a lot of other trams.
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Graeme Wall
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On 26.02.2024 12:15, Recliner wrote:
> Decades after Beeching, rural rail lines could be back on track
>
> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/92d7b064-4889-4254-bd1c-9f30998e5e66?shareToken=778188fee2193555951febb10732a42e
>
>
From the article:

According to Tim Burleigh, the Eversholt director leading the RVLR
project, the sweet spot for such a vehicle is “relatively short routes,
typically a shuttle service between two points with frequent stops”.

How many such potential routes actually exist? This looks like a near
word for word rehash of what Parry People Movers tried, and failed, to
make a business out of. What are they going to do that Parry couldn't?

Robin

On 27/02/2024 08:08, Bob wrote:
> On 26.02.2024 12:15, Recliner wrote:
>> Decades after Beeching, rural rail lines could be back on track
>>
>> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/92d7b064-4889-4254-bd1c-9f30998e5e66?shareToken=778188fee2193555951febb10732a42e
>>
>>
> From the article:
>
> According to Tim Burleigh, the Eversholt director leading the RVLR
> project, the sweet spot for such a vehicle is “relatively short routes,
> typically a shuttle service between two points with frequent stops”.
>
> How many such potential routes actually exist? This looks like a near
> word for word rehash of what Parry People Movers tried, and failed, to
> make a business out of. What are they going to do that Parry couldn't?
>

Sounds like the Cornish branch lines again.

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Graeme Wall
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On 27/02/2024 08:19, Graeme Wall wrote:
> On 27/02/2024 08:08, Bob wrote:
>> On 26.02.2024 12:15, Recliner wrote:
>>> Decades after Beeching, rural rail lines could be back on track
>>>
>>> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/92d7b064-4889-4254-bd1c-9f30998e5e66?shareToken=778188fee2193555951febb10732a42e
>>>
>>>
>>  From the article:
>>
>> According to Tim Burleigh, the Eversholt director leading the RVLR
>> project, the sweet spot for such a vehicle is “relatively short
>> routes, typically a shuttle service between two points with frequent
>> stops”.
>>
>> How many such potential routes actually exist? This looks like a near
>> word for word rehash of what Parry People Movers tried, and failed, to
>> make a business out of. What are they going to do that Parry couldn't?
>>
>
> Sounds like the Cornish branch lines again.
>
We never did find out why any such units operating in Cornwall needed to
be maintained in Bristol?

On 27/02/2024 09:30, Coffee wrote:
>>
> We never did find out why any such units operating in Cornwall needed to
> be maintained in Bristol?

They don't. Overnight servicing would be possible at Penzance, St.
Blazey (with not too much work to make it suitable), and Laira, which
has full train rebuilding capability.
For just overnight cleaning and water/engine/battery top ups/checks, any
branch or station could be made suitable in a short time.

Bob <bob@domain.com> wrote:
> On 26.02.2024 12:15, Recliner wrote:
>> Decades after Beeching, rural rail lines could be back on track
>>
>> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/92d7b064-4889-4254-bd1c-9f30998e5e66?shareToken=778188fee2193555951febb10732a42e
>>
>>
> From the article:
>
> According to Tim Burleigh, the Eversholt director leading the RVLR
> project, the sweet spot for such a vehicle is “relatively short routes,
> typically a shuttle service between two points with frequent stops”.
>
> How many such potential routes actually exist? This looks like a near
> word for word rehash of what Parry People Movers tried, and failed, to
> make a business out of. What are they going to do that Parry couldn't?
>

Yes, it appears to be aimed at the same market that the PPM failed to
conquer. Presumably these units will be much cheaper to operate, will need
little maintenance and might be cheaper to purchase.

On 27/02/2024 09:30, Coffee wrote:
> On 27/02/2024 08:19, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> On 27/02/2024 08:08, Bob wrote:
>>> On 26.02.2024 12:15, Recliner wrote:
>>>> Decades after Beeching, rural rail lines could be back on track
>>>>
>>>> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/92d7b064-4889-4254-bd1c-9f30998e5e66?shareToken=778188fee2193555951febb10732a42e
>>>>
>>>>
>>>  From the article:
>>>
>>> According to Tim Burleigh, the Eversholt director leading the RVLR
>>> project, the sweet spot for such a vehicle is “relatively short
>>> routes, typically a shuttle service between two points with frequent
>>> stops”.
>>>
>>> How many such potential routes actually exist? This looks like a near
>>> word for word rehash of what Parry People Movers tried, and failed,
>>> to make a business out of. What are they going to do that Parry
>>> couldn't?
>>>
>>
>> Sounds like the Cornish branch lines again.
>>
> We never did find out why any such units operating in Cornwall needed to
> be maintained in Bristol?

That was purely me forgetting the existence of Laira.
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