https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1762135350556717281?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN44ZQ

Might this indicate that follow-up orders to the 24TS are expected?

On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:32:10 GMT
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1762135350556717281?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN44Z
>Q
>
>Might this indicate that follow-up orders to the 24TS are expected?
>

How bizarre. Did the whole cabinet tour the factory or were they all dragged
up from london just for these meeting?

<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:32:10 GMT
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1762135350556717281?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN44Z
>> Q
>>
>> Might this indicate that follow-up orders to the 24TS are expected?
>>
>
> How bizarre. Did the whole cabinet tour the factory or were they all dragged
> up from london just for these meeting?

Trying to hang on to a few Red Wall seats by (re-)announcing HS2 money to
be re-allocated to various transport projects in the Midlands and North.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/6ed8420c-e19f-4c21-8fa8-82f65c5f8a69?shareToken=4c8a5ec9603603df27c5f8eded9387b3

On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:54:47 GMT
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
><Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:32:10 GMT
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1762135350556717281?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN44Z
>
>>> Q
>>>
>>> Might this indicate that follow-up orders to the 24TS are expected?
>>>
>>
>> How bizarre. Did the whole cabinet tour the factory or were they all dragged
>> up from london just for these meeting?
>
>Trying to hang on to a few Red Wall seats by (re-)announcing HS2 money to
>be re-allocated to various transport projects in the Midlands and North.

They really have no clue. Total busted flush.

On 26/02/2024 16:45, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:32:10 GMT
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1762135350556717281?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN44Z
>> Q
>>
>> Might this indicate that follow-up orders to the 24TS are expected?
>>
>
> How bizarre. Did the whole cabinet tour the factory or were they all dragged
> up from london just for these meeting?
>
It's just a pre-election gimmick. I don't suppose any of them went by
train?

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1762135350556717281?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN44ZQ
>
> Might this indicate that follow-up orders to the 24TS are expected?
>
>
>

Just another indication that this government is going down the tubes.

GH

On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 17:33:31 +0000
Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>On 26/02/2024 16:45, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:32:10 GMT
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1762135350556717281?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN44Z
>
>>> Q
>>>
>>> Might this indicate that follow-up orders to the 24TS are expected?
>>>
>>
>> How bizarre. Did the whole cabinet tour the factory or were they all dragged
>> up from london just for these meeting?
>>
>It's just a pre-election gimmick. I don't suppose any of them went by
>train?

Absolutely it is. Boris was promising cash for northern transport projects
back in 2020 and none of them showed up. If these Bozos really believe anyone
in the red wall will believe them now they're on the ropes then they're even
more deluded than I thought.

On 27/02/2024 10:08, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 17:33:31 +0000
> Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>> On 26/02/2024 16:45, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:32:10 GMT
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>> https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1762135350556717281?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN44Z
>>
>>>> Q
>>>>
>>>> Might this indicate that follow-up orders to the 24TS are expected?
>>>>
>>>
>>> How bizarre. Did the whole cabinet tour the factory or were they all dragged
>>> up from london just for these meeting?
>>>
>> It's just a pre-election gimmick. I don't suppose any of them went by
>> train?
>
> Absolutely it is. Boris was promising cash for northern transport projects
> back in 2020 and none of them showed up. If these Bozos really believe anyone
> in the red wall will believe them now they're on the ropes then they're even
> more deluded than I thought.
>

Unfortunately there are some people who seemingly believe almost any
tory propaganda they are fed by the Torygraph, Wail, S*n, etc.

On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 12:00:08 +0000, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:

>On 27/02/2024 10:08, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 17:33:31 +0000
>> Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>> On 26/02/2024 16:45, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:32:10 GMT
>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>> https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1762135350556717281?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN44Z
>>>
>>>>> Q
>>>>>
>>>>> Might this indicate that follow-up orders to the 24TS are expected?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How bizarre. Did the whole cabinet tour the factory or were they all dragged
>>>> up from london just for these meeting?
>>>>
>>> It's just a pre-election gimmick. I don't suppose any of them went by
>>> train?
>>
>> Absolutely it is. Boris was promising cash for northern transport projects
>> back in 2020 and none of them showed up. If these Bozos really believe anyone
>> in the red wall will believe them now they're on the ropes then they're even
>> more deluded than I thought.
>>
>
>Unfortunately there are some people who seemingly believe almost any
>tory propaganda they are fed by the Torygraph, Wail, S*n, etc.
>

Is anyone still influenced by the old print media? Surely those days are long past?

On 27/02/2024 14:27, Recliner wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 12:00:08 +0000, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 27/02/2024 10:08, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 17:33:31 +0000
>>> Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 26/02/2024 16:45, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:32:10 GMT
>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>> https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1762135350556717281?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN44Z
>>>>
>>>>>> Q
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Might this indicate that follow-up orders to the 24TS are expected?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How bizarre. Did the whole cabinet tour the factory or were they all dragged
>>>>> up from london just for these meeting?
>>>>>
>>>> It's just a pre-election gimmick. I don't suppose any of them went by
>>>> train?
>>>
>>> Absolutely it is. Boris was promising cash for northern transport projects
>>> back in 2020 and none of them showed up. If these Bozos really believe anyone
>>> in the red wall will believe them now they're on the ropes then they're even
>>> more deluded than I thought.
>>>
>>
>> Unfortunately there are some people who seemingly believe almost any
>> tory propaganda they are fed by the Torygraph, Wail, S*n, etc.
>>
>
> Is anyone still influenced by the old print media? Surely those days are long past?

Don't tell that to Murdoch.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:04:52 +0000, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>On 27/02/2024 14:27, Recliner wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 12:00:08 +0000, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/02/2024 10:08, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 17:33:31 +0000
>>>> Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 26/02/2024 16:45, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:32:10 GMT
>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1762135350556717281?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN44Z
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Q
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Might this indicate that follow-up orders to the 24TS are expected?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How bizarre. Did the whole cabinet tour the factory or were they all dragged
>>>>>> up from london just for these meeting?
>>>>>>
>>>>> It's just a pre-election gimmick. I don't suppose any of them went by
>>>>> train?
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely it is. Boris was promising cash for northern transport projects
>>>> back in 2020 and none of them showed up. If these Bozos really believe anyone
>>>> in the red wall will believe them now they're on the ropes then they're even
>>>> more deluded than I thought.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately there are some people who seemingly believe almost any
>>> tory propaganda they are fed by the Torygraph, Wail, S*n, etc.
>>>
>>
>> Is anyone still influenced by the old print media? Surely those days are long past?
>
>Don't tell that to Murdoch.

He runs them for profit, not to buy influence. He lost interest in British politics a long time ago. In the US, he uses
Fox News to influence politics, not his newspapers.

On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 12:00:08 +0000
Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 27/02/2024 10:08, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 17:33:31 +0000
>> Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>> On 26/02/2024 16:45, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:32:10 GMT
>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>
>https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1762135350556717281?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN44Z
>
>>>
>>>>> Q
>>>>>
>>>>> Might this indicate that follow-up orders to the 24TS are expected?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> How bizarre. Did the whole cabinet tour the factory or were they all
>dragged
>>>> up from london just for these meeting?
>>>>
>>> It's just a pre-election gimmick. I don't suppose any of them went by
>>> train?
>>
>> Absolutely it is. Boris was promising cash for northern transport projects
>> back in 2020 and none of them showed up. If these Bozos really believe anyone
>
>> in the red wall will believe them now they're on the ropes then they're even
>> more deluded than I thought.
>>
>
>Unfortunately there are some people who seemingly believe almost any
>tory propaganda they are fed by the Torygraph, Wail, S*n, etc.
>

S*n? I occasionally buy the Saturday Telegraph once every few months and these
days it seems fairly ambivalent. I suspect even they've given up on this bunch
of incompetants. Won't comment on the Mail, can't be arsed with tabloids, all
the same shit for the hard of thinking.

On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:16:20 +0000
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:04:52 +0000, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>
>wrote:
>>> Is anyone still influenced by the old print media? Surely those days are
>long past?
>>
>>Don't tell that to Murdoch.
>
>He runs them for profit, not to buy influence. He lost interest in British
>politics a long time ago. In the US, he uses
>Fox News to influence politics, not his newspapers.

Its not quite that cut and dried - he turned a mostly reasonable right of
centre radio station TalkRadio into a the trash fest that is TalkTV and AFAIK
as a TV station its never made a profit and is being hammered by GB News in
the ratings so why its kept on life support, particularly since he has Times
and Virgin Radio anyway, beats me. Unless its in part to set an agenda.

<Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:16:20 +0000
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:04:52 +0000, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>
>> wrote:
>>>> Is anyone still influenced by the old print media? Surely those days are
>> long past?
>>>
>>> Don't tell that to Murdoch.
>>
>> He runs them for profit, not to buy influence. He lost interest in British
>> politics a long time ago. In the US, he uses
>> Fox News to influence politics, not his newspapers.
>
> Its not quite that cut and dried - he turned a mostly reasonable right of
> centre radio station TalkRadio into a the trash fest that is TalkTV and AFAIK
> as a TV station its never made a profit and is being hammered by GB News in
> the ratings so why its kept on life support, particularly since he has Times
> and Virgin Radio anyway, beats me. Unless its in part to set an agenda.

They probably hoped to create a profitable channel like Fox or Sky, but
instead it's losing money hand over fist, doing even worse than GB News. I
suspect Murdoch will soon pull the plug on it.

On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 16:33:53 GMT
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
><Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:16:20 +0000
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:04:52 +0000, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>>> Is anyone still influenced by the old print media? Surely those days are
>>> long past?
>>>>
>>>> Don't tell that to Murdoch.
>>>
>>> He runs them for profit, not to buy influence. He lost interest in British
>>> politics a long time ago. In the US, he uses
>>> Fox News to influence politics, not his newspapers.
>>
>> Its not quite that cut and dried - he turned a mostly reasonable right of
>> centre radio station TalkRadio into a the trash fest that is TalkTV and AFAIK
>
>> as a TV station its never made a profit and is being hammered by GB News in
>> the ratings so why its kept on life support, particularly since he has Times
>
>> and Virgin Radio anyway, beats me. Unless its in part to set an agenda.
>
>They probably hoped to create a profitable channel like Fox or Sky, but
>instead it's losing money hand over fist, doing even worse than GB News. I
>suspect Murdoch will soon pull the plug on it.

Hopefully it'll revert to being a radio station and they'll bring back the
more reasonable presenters like Rob Rinder (fired) and Ian Collins (sidelined
to a 1 hour show) instead of shouty idiots like Kyle.

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 12:00:08 +0000, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 27/02/2024 10:08, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 17:33:31 +0000
>>> Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>> On 26/02/2024 16:45, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:32:10 GMT
>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>> https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1762135350556717281?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN44Z
>>>>
>>>>>> Q
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Might this indicate that follow-up orders to the 24TS are expected?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> How bizarre. Did the whole cabinet tour the factory or were they all dragged
>>>>> up from london just for these meeting?
>>>>>
>>>> It's just a pre-election gimmick. I don't suppose any of them went by
>>>> train?
>>>
>>> Absolutely it is. Boris was promising cash for northern transport projects
>>> back in 2020 and none of them showed up. If these Bozos really believe anyone
>>> in the red wall will believe them now they're on the ropes then they're even
>>> more deluded than I thought.
>>>
>>
>> Unfortunately there are some people who seemingly believe almost any
>> tory propaganda they are fed by the Torygraph, Wail, S*n, etc.
>>
>
> Is anyone still influenced by the old print media? Surely those days are long past?

Says the man who keeps posting links to the online Telegraph… :-)

Sam

--
The entity formerly known as Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk
Spit the dummy to reply

Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 12:00:08 +0000, Bevan Price <bevanprice666@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/02/2024 10:08, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 17:33:31 +0000
>>>> Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>>>>> On 26/02/2024 16:45, Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Mon, 26 Feb 2024 16:32:10 GMT
>>>>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://x.com/ianvisits/status/1762135350556717281?s=61&t=hpa_q__1jHKBKNmXnN44Z
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Q
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Might this indicate that follow-up orders to the 24TS are expected?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How bizarre. Did the whole cabinet tour the factory or were they all dragged
>>>>>> up from london just for these meeting?
>>>>>>
>>>>> It's just a pre-election gimmick. I don't suppose any of them went by
>>>>> train?
>>>>
>>>> Absolutely it is. Boris was promising cash for northern transport projects
>>>> back in 2020 and none of them showed up. If these Bozos really believe anyone
>>>> in the red wall will believe them now they're on the ropes then they're even
>>>> more deluded than I thought.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately there are some people who seemingly believe almost any
>>> tory propaganda they are fed by the Torygraph, Wail, S*n, etc.
>>>
>>
>> Is anyone still influenced by the old print media? Surely those days are long past?
>
> Says the man who keeps posting links to the online Telegraph… :-)

Sure, because it contains lots of news stories. It remains one of the
better resourced UK newspapers (though much reduced compared to the past,
just like all newspapers). I wouldn't post links to its political stories
or increasingly deranged opinion pieces.

On 27/02/2024 12:00, Bevan Price wrote:
> Unfortunately there are some people who seemingly believe almost any
> tory propaganda they are fed by the Torygraph, Wail, S*n, etc.

There are even some who believe what they read in the Guardian!

On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 14:27:08 +0000, Recliner
<recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>>> Absolutely it is. Boris was promising cash for northern transport projects
>>> back in 2020 and none of them showed up. If these Bozos really believe anyone
>>> in the red wall will believe them now they're on the ropes then they're even
>>> more deluded than I thought.
>>>
>>
>>Unfortunately there are some people who seemingly believe almost any
>>tory propaganda they are fed by the Torygraph, Wail, S*n, etc.
>>
>
>Is anyone still influenced by the old print media? Surely those days are long past?

Is this a serious question? I assume so but I have no doubts that the
death of the influence of print media has been greatly exaggerated.
Why else are those with spare cash and vested interests so keen to own
a chunk?

I find you can often tell what paper people read just from general
conversation with them. You can hear them echo the line that the Daily
Mail or Telegraph has recently been taking. I first became acutely
aware of this during Covid, during which I read many papers. One
person who helped me form this view was you who was espousing views on
Covid not widely found outside the pages of the Telegraph.

I suspect this effect doesn't affect under-40s but I mix with few of
those.

On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 07:43:14 +0000
JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>On 27/02/2024 12:00, Bevan Price wrote:
>> Unfortunately there are some people who seemingly believe almost any
>> tory propaganda they are fed by the Torygraph, Wail, S*n, etc.
>
>
>There are even some who believe what they read in the Guardian!

The Guardian is rather good on the science and tech side. Its their political
journalists who seem to be a bunch of shrieking woke hysterics.

Ken <ken@birchanger.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 14:27:08 +0000, Recliner
> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>>> Absolutely it is. Boris was promising cash for northern transport projects
>>>> back in 2020 and none of them showed up. If these Bozos really believe anyone
>>>> in the red wall will believe them now they're on the ropes then they're even
>>>> more deluded than I thought.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Unfortunately there are some people who seemingly believe almost any
>>> tory propaganda they are fed by the Torygraph, Wail, S*n, etc.
>>>
>>
>> Is anyone still influenced by the old print media? Surely those days are long past?
>
> Is this a serious question? I assume so but I have no doubts that the
> death of the influence of print media has been greatly exaggerated.

It is far less powerful than it once was. It is also much less profitable,
as far fewer people buy the papers and advertising is much reduced, both in
the print and online editions. At one time, decades ago, most morning
commuters on the Tube were reading paid-for printed papers. Then they
mostly moved to the Metro. Now, most are playing with or listening to their
devices. I very much doubt that many are reading online editions of the old
newspapers.

> Why else are those with spare cash and vested interests so keen to own
> a chunk?

Are they? The Mirror and Express are now owned by the same apolitical
publisher, and share resources, despite having diametrically oppositie
political views. The Barclay twins ran the Telegraph as a profitable
business, not to push their political views. The would-be new Arab majority
owner is probably keener on prestige than promoting his politics in the UK
(though he might borrow the title to produce a more biased Arab edition).
The Guardian is owned by the Scott Trust Ltd.

The Mail is probably the one example where the owner cares about both the
politics and the profits.

>
> I find you can often tell what paper people read just from general
> conversation with them. You can hear them echo the line that the Daily
> Mail or Telegraph has recently been taking.

It might be more instructive to check if they watch GB News. That's
probably more influential than any right-wing newspaper.

> I first became acutely
> aware of this during Covid, during which I read many papers. One
> person who helped me form this view was you who was espousing views on
> Covid not widely found outside the pages of the Telegraph.

I agreed with some of what the Telegraph said during Covid, but was more
influenced by the research done by the Spectator. On most political
matters, I disagree with the Telegraph, particularly Brexit (where my views
are much closer to the Economist and Guardian). The paper I read the most
is the Times, which tries to stay neutral.

>
> I suspect this effect doesn't affect under-40s but I mix with few of
> those.

The cut-off point is probably older than that, perhaps 60. Most working
people no longer read newspapers.

On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 11:07:55 GMT
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>The cut-off point is probably older than that, perhaps 60. Most working
>people no longer read newspapers.

I'm not so sure about that. All the copies of Metro seem to vanish by mid
afternoon at my local tube station. Someone is reading them and I doubt its
all the local pensioners rocking up and taking them.

However newspapers certainly arn't doing as well as they used to. Metro is
thinner than it was and the evening standard is a ghost of its former self.
I've kept a copy from 2015 for something that interested me and its around
70 pages long. When I picked up a copy of the ES last week it was around 10
pages and a lot of that was some Gen Z popstar guff. Very little real news.

On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 17:13:10 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:

>On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 16:33:53 GMT
>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>><Muttley@dastardlyhq.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:16:20 +0000
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 15:04:52 +0000, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Is anyone still influenced by the old print media? Surely those days are
>>>> long past?
>>>>>
>>>>> Don't tell that to Murdoch.
>>>>
>>>> He runs them for profit, not to buy influence. He lost interest in British
>>>> politics a long time ago. In the US, he uses
>>>> Fox News to influence politics, not his newspapers.
>>>
>>> Its not quite that cut and dried - he turned a mostly reasonable right of
>>> centre radio station TalkRadio into a the trash fest that is TalkTV and AFAIK
>>
>>> as a TV station its never made a profit and is being hammered by GB News in
>>> the ratings so why its kept on life support, particularly since he has Times
>>
>>> and Virgin Radio anyway, beats me. Unless its in part to set an agenda.
>>
>>They probably hoped to create a profitable channel like Fox or Sky, but
>>instead it's losing money hand over fist, doing even worse than GB News. I
>>suspect Murdoch will soon pull the plug on it.
>
>Hopefully it'll revert to being a radio station and they'll bring back the
>more reasonable presenters like Rob Rinder (fired) and Ian Collins (sidelined
>to a 1 hour show) instead of shouty idiots like Kyle.

It's been rumoured that News Corp would like to buy GB News, which has turned into a sort of Fox News UK.

On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 11:38:04 +0000
Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 27 Feb 2024 17:13:10 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>Hopefully it'll revert to being a radio station and they'll bring back the
>>more reasonable presenters like Rob Rinder (fired) and Ian Collins (sidelined
>>to a 1 hour show) instead of shouty idiots like Kyle.
>
>It's been rumoured that News Corp would like to buy GB News, which has turned
>into a sort of Fox News UK.

Would probably make more sense than chucking money down the TalkTV drain,
but I imagine he'd have to shut the latter down first or Ofcom would
no doubt object on competition grounds.

On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 11:20:41 -0000 (UTC), Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:

>On Wed, 28 Feb 2024 11:07:55 GMT
>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>The cut-off point is probably older than that, perhaps 60. Most working
>>people no longer read newspapers.
>
>I'm not so sure about that. All the copies of Metro seem to vanish by mid
>afternoon at my local tube station. Someone is reading them and I doubt its
>all the local pensioners rocking up and taking them.

They probably have a much smaller print run than in its heyday. And, as you say below, people probably spend less time
skimming through them than in the past when there was much more content.

>
>However newspapers certainly arn't doing as well as they used to. Metro is
>thinner than it was and the evening standard is a ghost of its former self.
>I've kept a copy from 2015 for something that interested me and its around
>70 pages long. When I picked up a copy of the ES last week it was around 10
>pages and a lot of that was some Gen Z popstar guff. Very little real news.

Yes, it's being run on a shoestring now.