https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/excellent-new-19-hour-train-journey-that-will-take-travellers-across-europe-with-50=stops.

Sounds interesting.

Am 29.01.2024 um 16:22 schrieb Jack Harry Teesdale:
> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/excellent-new-19-hour-train-journey-that-will-take-travellers-across-europe-with-50=stops.
>
> Sounds interesting.

"Page does not exist". Can you summarize? 19 hours sounds like an
overnight sleeper train but that would not combine well with 50 stops.

Rolf

On 29/01/2024 15:56, Rolf Mantel wrote:
> Am 29.01.2024 um 16:22 schrieb Jack Harry Teesdale:
>> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/excellent-new-19-hour-train-journey-that-will-take-travellers-across-europe-with-50=stops.
>>
>> Sounds interesting.
>
> "Page does not exist".  Can you summarize? 19 hours sounds like an
> overnight sleeper train but that would not combine well with 50 stops.
>
> Rolf

Try this one.
https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1859969/excellent-19-hour-train-journey-travellers-europe-50-stops

According to Euronews.travel, the train will set off at around 6.15am
and include 50 stops along its route including Liege, Brussels, Bruges
and Ghent in Belgium. Once the train passes into Germany, it will stop
in famous city-break destinations such as Aachen, Dresden, Cologne,
Leipzig, and Hanover.

As the train makes its way further east into the Czech Republic, it will
pull into Prague at 8pm before ploughing its way to the Slovakian cities
of Kuty and Malacky before it ends its journey in Bratislava at 1am the
following day

On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 16:08:42 +0000
Jack Harry Teesdale <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>On 29/01/2024 15:56, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> Am 29.01.2024 um 16:22 schrieb Jack Harry Teesdale:
>>>
>https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/excellent-new-19-hour-train-journey-that-
>will-take-travellers-across-europe-with-50=stops.
>>>
>>> Sounds interesting.
>>
>> "Page does not exist".  Can you summarize? 19 hours sounds like an
>> overnight sleeper train but that would not combine well with 50 stops.
>>
>> Rolf
>
>Try this one.
>https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1859969/excellent-19-hour-train-journey-tr
>avellers-europe-50-stops
>
>According to Euronews.travel, the train will set off at around 6.15am
>and include 50 stops along its route including Liege, Brussels, Bruges
>and Ghent in Belgium. Once the train passes into Germany, it will stop
>in famous city-break destinations such as Aachen, Dresden, Cologne,
>Leipzig, and Hanover.
>
>As the train makes its way further east into the Czech Republic, it will
>pull into Prague at 8pm before ploughing its way to the Slovakian cities
>of Kuty and Malacky before it ends its journey in Bratislava at 1am the
>following day

Trying to keep to a timetable when you have 50 stops sounds like a logistical
nightmare. A few mins delay at a number of stops might mean a lost path
further along which then snowballs into ever more delays.

Am 29.01.2024 um 17:08 schrieb Jack Harry Teesdale:
> On 29/01/2024 15:56, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> Am 29.01.2024 um 16:22 schrieb Jack Harry Teesdale:
>>> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/excellent-new-19-hour-train-journey-that-will-take-travellers-across-europe-with-50=stops.
>>>
>>> Sounds interesting.
>>
>> "Page does not exist".  Can you summarize? 19 hours sounds like an
>> overnight sleeper train but that would not combine well with 50 stops.
>>
>> Rolf
>
> Try this one.
> https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1859969/excellent-19-hour-train-journey-travellers-europe-50-stops
>
> According to Euronews.travel, the train will set off at around 6.15am
> and include 50 stops along its route including Liege, Brussels, Bruges
> and Ghent in Belgium. Once the train passes into Germany, it will stop
> in famous city-break destinations such as Aachen, Dresden, Cologne,
> Leipzig, and Hanover.
>
> As the train makes its way further east into the Czech Republic, it will
> pull into Prague at 8pm before ploughing its way to the Slovakian cities
> of Kuty and Malacky before it ends its journey in Bratislava at 1am the
> following day

this gives a route

Bruges -> Ghent -> Brussels -> Liege -> Aachen
(direct)
-> Cologne -> Hannover -> Leipzig
(rather than taking the direct route via Kassel)
-> Dresden -> Prague -> Brno -> Kuty -> Bratislava
(direct)

Direkt trains from Cologne to Prague would go via Frankfurt and
Nuremberg or Chemnitz but those railway lines lack a meaningful quality.
Direct trains from Cologne to Bratislava would go via Frankfurt -
Nuremberg - Linz - Vienna.

These detours are meaningful for a train focussed on optimizing direct
train access to Czech Republic as opposed to "fastest journey time from
Belgium to Bratislava".

Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
> this gives a route
>
> Bruges -> Ghent -> Brussels -> Liege -> Aachen
> (direct)
> -> Cologne -> Hannover -> Leipzig
> (rather than taking the direct route via Kassel)
> -> Dresden -> Prague -> Brno -> Kuty -> Bratislava
> (direct)
>
> Direkt trains from Cologne to Prague would go via Frankfurt and
> Nuremberg or Chemnitz but those railway lines lack a meaningful quality.
> Direct trains from Cologne to Bratislava would go via Frankfurt -
> Nuremberg - Linz - Vienna.
>
> These detours are meaningful for a train focussed on optimizing direct
> train access to Czech Republic as opposed to "fastest journey time from
> Belgium to Bratislava".

Track access application from August:
https://www.regul.be/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/20230818_Notification-of-a-planned-new-rail-passenger-service-version-anonymisee.pdf

One train each way, leaving ~0600 arriving ~0100. Proposed to start 15
December 2024, potentially delayed in Belgium until spring 2025.

I was expecting the list of stops to be 'aspirational' (ie not all trains
stop at all stops, and maybe some only if demand is there) but the proposed
timetable (page 6) does have it calling at all the stops. Seems to stop
every 10-20 minutes.

Theo

Jack Harry Teesdale <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/excellent-new-19-hour-train-journey-that-will-take-travellers-across-europe-with-50=stops.
>
> Sounds interesting.
>

Could see that becoming a lot longer than 19 hours, a long route with
numerous stops gives plenty of opportunity for the service to be delayed,
and once the delay gets too far out of sorts with the schedule the train
will be dependent on staff at the various traffic control centres en route
finding a path. That may not be easy to achieve.

GH.

Am 29.01.2024 um 17:59 schrieb Theo:
> Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>> this gives a route
>>
>> Bruges -> Ghent -> Brussels -> Liege -> Aachen
>> (direct)
>> -> Cologne -> Hannover -> Leipzig
>> (rather than taking the direct route via Kassel)
>> -> Dresden -> Prague -> Brno -> Kuty -> Bratislava
>> (direct)
>>
>> Direkt trains from Cologne to Prague would go via Frankfurt and
>> Nuremberg or Chemnitz but those railway lines lack a meaningful quality.
>> Direct trains from Cologne to Bratislava would go via Frankfurt -
>> Nuremberg - Linz - Vienna.
>>
>> These detours are meaningful for a train focussed on optimizing direct
>> train access to Czech Republic as opposed to "fastest journey time from
>> Belgium to Bratislava".
>
> Track access application from August:
> https://www.regul.be/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/20230818_Notification-of-a-planned-new-rail-passenger-service-version-anonymisee.pdf
>
> One train each way, leaving ~0600 arriving ~0100. Proposed to start 15
> December 2024, potentially delayed in Belgium until spring 2025.
>
> I was expecting the list of stops to be 'aspirational' (ie not all trains
> stop at all stops, and maybe some only if demand is there) but the proposed
> timetable (page 6) does have it calling at all the stops. Seems to stop
> every 10-20 minutes.

<https://www.leoexpress.com/en/where-we-go/line-map>

Wow, Praha - Olomuc - Kuty instead of via Brno is another serious detour
but it links with the operator's existing routes (Praha - Olomuc -
Krakow and Praha - Olomuc - Kosice).

In message <up8iia$h6h3$1@dont-email.me>, at 16:08:42 on Mon, 29 Jan
2024, Jack Harry Teesdale <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> remarked:
>On 29/01/2024 15:56, Rolf Mantel wrote:
>> Am 29.01.2024 um 16:22 schrieb Jack Harry Teesdale:
>>>
>>>https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/excellent-new-19-hour-train-jour
>>>ney-that-will-take-travellers-across-europe-with-50=stops.
>>>
>>> Sounds interesting.

>> "Page does not exist".  Can you summarize? 19 hours sounds like an
>>overnight sleeper train but that would not combine well with 50 stops.
>
>Try this one.
>https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1859969/excellent-19-hour-train-jou
>rney-travellers-europe-50-stops
>
>According to Euronews.travel, the train will set off at around 6.15am
>and include 50 stops along its route including Liege, Brussels, Bruges
>and Ghent in Belgium. Once the train passes into Germany, it will stop
>in famous city-break destinations such as Aachen, Dresden, Cologne,
>Leipzig, and Hanover.
>
>As the train makes its way further east into the Czech Republic, it
>will pull into Prague at 8pm before ploughing its way

What is the tracks aren't covered in snow?

>to the Slovakian cities of Kuty and Malacky before it ends its journey
>in Bratislava at 1am the following day

--
Roland Perry

In message <up8n5v$htsm$1@dont-email.me>, at 18:27:28 on Mon, 29 Jan
2024, Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> remarked:
>Am 29.01.2024 um 17:59 schrieb Theo:
>> Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>>> this gives a route
>>>
>>> Bruges -> Ghent -> Brussels -> Liege -> Aachen
>>> (direct)
>>> -> Cologne -> Hannover -> Leipzig
>>> (rather than taking the direct route via Kassel)
>>> -> Dresden -> Prague -> Brno -> Kuty -> Bratislava
>>> (direct)
>>>
>>> Direkt trains from Cologne to Prague would go via Frankfurt and
>>> Nuremberg or Chemnitz but those railway lines lack a meaningful quality.
>>> Direct trains from Cologne to Bratislava would go via Frankfurt -
>>> Nuremberg - Linz - Vienna.
>>>
>>> These detours are meaningful for a train focussed on optimizing direct
>>> train access to Czech Republic as opposed to "fastest journey time from
>>> Belgium to Bratislava".
>> Track access application from August:
>>
>>https://www.regul.be/wp-content/uploads/2023/08/20230818_Notification-o
>>f-a-planned-new-rail-passenger-service-version-anonymisee.pdf
>> One train each way, leaving ~0600 arriving ~0100. Proposed to start
>>15
>> December 2024, potentially delayed in Belgium until spring 2025.
>> I was expecting the list of stops to be 'aspirational' (ie not all
>>trains
>> stop at all stops, and maybe some only if demand is there) but the proposed
>> timetable (page 6) does have it calling at all the stops. Seems to stop
>> every 10-20 minutes.
>
><https://www.leoexpress.com/en/where-we-go/line-map>
>
>Wow, Praha - Olomuc - Kuty instead of via Brno is another serious
>detour but it links with the operator's existing routes (Praha - Olomuc
>- Krakow and Praha - Olomuc - Kosice).

I've travelled west from Kosice, although it was using an airline ticket
on a long term busitituated flight.
--
Roland Perry

On 29 Jan 2024 17:16:31 GMT
Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
>Jack Harry Teesdale <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/excellent-new-19-hour-train-journey-that-
>will-take-travellers-across-europe-with-50=stops.
>>
>> Sounds interesting.
>>
>
>Could see that becoming a lot longer than 19 hours, a long route with
>numerous stops gives plenty of opportunity for the service to be delayed,
>and once the delay gets too far out of sorts with the schedule the train
>will be dependent on staff at the various traffic control centres en route
>finding a path. That may not be easy to achieve.

Exactly what I said in another post (which you obviously didn't read).

The chances of all 50 stops going smoothly with no delays is close to zero.

Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:

> On 29 Jan 2024 17:16:31 GMT
> Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
>>Jack Harry Teesdale <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/excellent-new-19-hour-train-journey-that-
>>will-take-travellers-across-europe-with-50=stops.
>>>
>>> Sounds interesting.
>>>
>>
>>Could see that becoming a lot longer than 19 hours, a long route with
>>numerous stops gives plenty of opportunity for the service to be delayed,
>>and once the delay gets too far out of sorts with the schedule the train
>>will be dependent on staff at the various traffic control centres en route
>>finding a path. That may not be easy to achieve.

> Exactly what I said in another post (which you obviously didn't read).

> The chances of all 50 stops going smoothly with no delays is close to zero.

What is the maximum number of stops for a single passenger train
or part of train in the UK, which does not need to take 19 hours?

Regards, ULF

On 20/04/2024 14:58, ulf_kutzner wrote:

> What is the maximum number of stops for a single passenger train
> or part of train in the UK, which does not need to take 19 hours?

The longest journey on one train is this one I think:
<https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G25107/2024-04-22/detailed>

Plymouth to Aberdeen, (and return journey too). 720 miles, around 12 hours.

Alan Lee wrote:

> On 20/04/2024 14:58, ulf_kutzner wrote:

>> What is the maximum number of stops for a single passenger train
>> or part of train in the UK, which does not need to take 19 hours?

> The longest journey on one train is this one I think:
> <https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G25107/2024-04-22/detailed>

> Plymouth to Aberdeen, (and return journey too). 720 miles, around 12 hours.

As little as 29 intermediate stops...

Regards, ULF

On 20/04/2024 15:25, Alan Lee wrote:
> On 20/04/2024 14:58, ulf_kutzner wrote:
>
>> What is the maximum number of stops for a single passenger train
>> or part of train in the UK, which does not need to take 19 hours?
>
> The longest journey on one train is this one I think:
> <https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G25107/2024-04-22/detailed>
>
> Plymouth to Aberdeen, (and return journey too). 720 miles, around 12 hours.
>

This one does about ten more railway stations (40) and goes a bit further.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G25217/2024-04-22

According to Alan Lee <alan@darkroom.+.com>:
>The longest journey on one train is this one I think:
><https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G25107/2024-04-22/detailed>
>
>Plymouth to Aberdeen, (and return journey too). 720 miles, around 12 hours.

What is the point of Plymouth to Aberdeen or Aberdeen to Penzance?

Surely nobody takes it more than part of the way, and there is at least
one crew change.

--
Regards,
John Levine, johnl@taugh.com, Primary Perpetrator of "The Internet for Dummies",
Please consider the environment before reading this e-mail. https://jl.ly

On 20/04/2024 18:07, John Levine wrote:
> According to Alan Lee <alan@darkroom.+.com>:
>> The longest journey on one train is this one I think:
>> <https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G25107/2024-04-22/detailed>
>>
>> Plymouth to Aberdeen, (and return journey too). 720 miles, around 12 hours.
>
> What is the point of Plymouth to Aberdeen or Aberdeen to Penzance?
>
> Surely nobody takes it more than part of the way, and there is at least
> one crew change.

But there's many intermediate journeys. It's more efficient with
rolling stock as it doesn't need to hang around between journeys.

John Levine wrote:

> According to Alan Lee <alan@darkroom.+.com>:
>>The longest journey on one train is this one I think:
>><https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G25107/2024-04-22/detailed>
>>
>>Plymouth to Aberdeen, (and return journey too). 720 miles, around 12 hours.

> What is the point of Plymouth to Aberdeen or Aberdeen to Penzance?

> Surely nobody takes it more than part of the way

Never say never:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOmZ6xBToDM

On 20/04/2024 14:58, ulf_kutzner wrote:
> Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>
>> On 29 Jan 2024 17:16:31 GMT
>> Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Jack Harry Teesdale <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/excellent-new-19-hour-train-journey-that-
>>> will-take-travellers-across-europe-with-50=stops.
>>>>
>>>> Sounds interesting.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Could see that becoming a lot longer than 19 hours, a long route with
>>> numerous stops gives plenty of opportunity for the service to be
>>> delayed,
>>> and once the delay gets too far out of sorts with the schedule the train
>>> will be dependent on staff at the various traffic control centres en
>>> route
>>> finding  a path. That may not be easy to achieve.
>
>> Exactly what I said in another post (which you obviously didn't read).
>
>> The chances of all 50 stops going smoothly with no delays is close to
>> zero.
>
> What is the maximum number of stops for a single passenger train
> or part of train in the UK, which does not need to take 19 hours?
>
> Regards, ULF

Nobody has mentioned the London Underground.
The District line between Ealing Broadway and Upminster has 60 stations.
The journey takes less than 1.5 hours and the passenger trains usually
run to time.

MikeS <MikeS@fred.com> wrote:
> On 20/04/2024 14:58, ulf_kutzner wrote:
>> Muttley@dastardlyhq.com wrote:
>>
>>> On 29 Jan 2024 17:16:31 GMT
>>> Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Jack Harry Teesdale <noreply492000-medic@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>> https://www.msn.com/en-gb/travel/news/excellent-new-19-hour-train-journey-that-
>>>> will-take-travellers-across-europe-with-50=stops.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sounds interesting.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Could see that becoming a lot longer than 19 hours, a long route with
>>>> numerous stops gives plenty of opportunity for the service to be
>>>> delayed,
>>>> and once the delay gets too far out of sorts with the schedule the train
>>>> will be dependent on staff at the various traffic control centres en
>>>> route
>>>> finding  a path. That may not be easy to achieve.
>>
>>> Exactly what I said in another post (which you obviously didn't read).
>>
>>> The chances of all 50 stops going smoothly with no delays is close to
>>> zero.
>>
>> What is the maximum number of stops for a single passenger train
>> or part of train in the UK, which does not need to take 19 hours?
>>
>> Regards, ULF
>
> Nobody has mentioned the London Underground.
> The District line between Ealing Broadway and Upminster has 60 stations.

That sounded a lot, so I counted them, and only see 42?

https://www.londontubemap.org/en-4-District-line-london-tube-map.php

> The journey takes less than 1.5 hours and the passenger trains usually
> run to time.

Typically, a little over 90 minutes, I think.

It's actually a few minutes quicker to first take the Central line or Liz,
changing to the District at Mile End (cross-platform) or Whitechapel. The
latter is the quickest option, about 20 minutes quicker than the direct
District line.

John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
> According to Alan Lee <alan@darkroom.+.com>:
> >The longest journey on one train is this one I think:
> ><https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G25107/2024-04-22/detailed>
> >
> >Plymouth to Aberdeen, (and return journey too). 720 miles, around 12 hours.
>
> What is the point of Plymouth to Aberdeen or Aberdeen to Penzance?
>
> Surely nobody takes it more than part of the way, and there is at least
> one crew change.

There's a number of people who prefer 'one seat ride' journeys. They know
they get on the train at A, they sit in their seat for N hours, they get off
at B.

They don't have to deal with changing somewhere confusing like Birmingham
New St or worse crossing London on the tube. This is especially attractive
for those with luggage who would not be able to drag it around very far.
(not that Voyagers are very well suited for luggage, however)

When travelling to/from university I used to use National Express coach
because it was a case of dragging my luggage across the road at Victoria
Coach Station, rather than two railway termini, two tube trains and a bunch
of stairs and escalators.

If you have substantial luggage flying is also not attractive.

Not to say those people are going from end to end, but eg Devon to Scotland
is a journey people make - used to be popular for Navy types travelling
between Devonport and Rosyth.

Theo

On 21 Apr 2024 09:46:08 +0100 (BST), Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

>John Levine <johnl@taugh.com> wrote:
>> According to Alan Lee <alan@darkroom.+.com>:
>> >The longest journey on one train is this one I think:
>> ><https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:G25107/2024-04-22/detailed>
>> >
>> >Plymouth to Aberdeen, (and return journey too). 720 miles, around 12 hours.
>>
>> What is the point of Plymouth to Aberdeen or Aberdeen to Penzance?
>>
>> Surely nobody takes it more than part of the way, and there is at least
>> one crew change.
>
>There's a number of people who prefer 'one seat ride' journeys. They know
>they get on the train at A, they sit in their seat for N hours, they get off
>at B.
>
>They don't have to deal with changing somewhere confusing like Birmingham
>New St or worse crossing London on the tube. This is especially attractive
>for those with luggage who would not be able to drag it around very far.
>(not that Voyagers are very well suited for luggage, however)
>
>When travelling to/from university I used to use National Express coach
>because it was a case of dragging my luggage across the road at Victoria
>Coach Station, rather than two railway termini, two tube trains and a bunch
>of stairs and escalators.
>
>If you have substantial luggage flying is also not attractive.

Actually, I prefer flying if I have substantial luggage. You don't have to haul it on and off the vehicle, or find a
luggage rack, or keep your eye on it during the journey.

Recliner wrote:

> On 21 Apr 2024 09:46:08 +0100 (BST), Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

>>If you have substantial luggage flying is also not attractive.

> Actually, I prefer flying if I have substantial luggage. You don't have to haul it on and off the vehicle, or find a
> luggage rack, or keep your eye on it during the journey.

But it might cause extra cost, depending or not on
the chosen cabin class and fare. And it takes you
time to drop it and get it back.

Regards, ULF

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 21 Apr 2024 09:46:08 +0100 (BST), Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>
> >If you have substantial luggage flying is also not attractive.
>
> Actually, I prefer flying if I have substantial luggage. You don't have to haul it on and off the vehicle, or find a
> luggage rack, or keep your eye on it during the journey.

From Plymouth to Scotland you'll be on Loganair from Exeter or perhaps
Newquay. One 23kg hold bag is an extra £20. It seems like they don't
actually let you buy extra hold bags, so if you have more than that you have
to buy the Flex fare for double (£350 v £150) which gets you 30kg total hold
luggage, and you're out of luck if you have more than 30kg.

I have at times travelled with more than that, which they wouldn't allow.

Theo

On 21 Apr 2024 15:40:34 +0100 (BST), Theo wrote:
> From Plymouth to Scotland you'll be on Loganair from Exeter or perhaps
> Newquay. One 23kg hold bag is an extra £20. It seems like they don't
> actually let you buy extra hold bags, so if you have more than that you
> have to buy the Flex fare for double (£350 v £150) which gets you 30kg
> total hold luggage, and you're out of luck if you have more than 30kg.

It says at https://www.loganair.co.uk/travel-help/luggage/ (under "Excess
Luggage") that you can add one 15kg bag for £20 (but no more than one). So
the maximum you can have is 45kg in the hold, 6kg in a cabin bag, a
"small" handbag, and a "slimline" laptop bag. Plus, if you have a small
child, a pushchair and car seat as well.

Loganair operate fairly small planes so I can see why they don't want to
accept large quantities of luggage - there simply isn't room for it.

Mike