https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f485d69f-c2d2-41db-8995-2d6ed8b11d28?shareToken=b43bb0b32210f996cb5b55215994c20a

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
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> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f485d69f-c2d2-41db-8995-2d6ed8b11d28?shareToken=b43bb0b32210f996cb5b55215994c20a
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>
>

More about EVO-rail here
https://www.evo-rail.com/our-technology/#tracktotrain
It’s all very much in its infancy and I can see that widespread deployment
would cost an eye watering amount.

I’m not sure that poor on train connectivity is the main reason why folk
are not using the train. I can list many other factors that put me off
before getting to poor comms.

On 28/01/2024 08:18, Recliner wrote:
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> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f485d69f-c2d2-41db-8995-2d6ed8b11d28?shareToken=b43bb0b32210f996cb5b55215994c20a

"Now it can be revealed that poor connections on the British rail network is
the result of a deliberate policy by train operators to ration wi-fi."

Really? I would be surprised if that wasn't the case. It's not reasonable to
expect free wifi to provide enough bandwidth for video streaming.

On 28/01/2024 19:32, Roger Lynn wrote:
> "Now it can be revealed that poor connections on the British rail network is
> the result of a deliberate policy by train operators to ration wi-fi."
>
> Really? I would be surprised if that wasn't the case. It's not reasonable to
> expect free wifi to provide enough bandwidth for video streaming.

Hardly surprising when it is a free service.

Perhaps they should offer a premium service for a payment.

It will be claimed that it is needed for all those businessmen needing
to complete billion dollar deals whilst travelling but we all know it is
being used mainly for watching trashy TV programmes (probably some dodgy
ones too).

On 28/01/2024 08:18, Recliner wrote:
>
> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f485d69f-c2d2-41db-8995-2d6ed8b11d28?shareToken=b43bb0b32210f996cb5b55215994c20a

I wouldn't mind this so much, but most of the rail companies deliberately block mobile phone signals coming in the windows, so you can't use your own data allowance of 4g or 5g. I know their excuse is that they do this to block UV but I'm sure it's possible to get window glass that does this without turning the carriage into a Faraday cage. I think that a campaign against this practice would be more useful.

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On 28/01/2024 19:32, Roger Lynn wrote:
> On 28/01/2024 08:18, Recliner wrote:
>>
>> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f485d69f-c2d2-41db-8995-2d6ed8b11d28?shareToken=b43bb0b32210f996cb5b55215994c20a
>
> "Now it can be revealed that poor connections on the British rail network is
> the result of a deliberate policy by train operators to ration wi-fi."
>
> Really? I would be surprised if that wasn't the case. It's not reasonable to
> expect free wifi to provide enough bandwidth for video streaming.

On board video streaming is blocked on the free wifi anyway. I don't
know what this article is on about in places.

On 29/01/2024 08:49, Coffee wrote:
> On 28/01/2024 19:32, Roger Lynn wrote:
>> On 28/01/2024 08:18, Recliner wrote:
>>>
>>> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f485d69f-c2d2-41db-8995-2d6ed8b11d28?shareToken=b43bb0b32210f996cb5b55215994c20a
>>
>> "Now it can be revealed that poor connections on the British rail
>> network is
>> the result of a deliberate policy by train operators to ration wi-fi."
>>
>> Really? I would be surprised if that wasn't the case. It's not
>> reasonable to
>> expect free wifi to provide enough bandwidth for video streaming.
>
> On board video streaming is blocked on the free wifi anyway.  I don't
> know what this article is on about in places.

It's a Times railway bashing exercise.

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Am 28.01.2024 um 23:21 schrieb Clive Page:
> On 28/01/2024 08:18, Recliner wrote:
>>
>> https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f485d69f-c2d2-41db-8995-2d6ed8b11d28?shareToken=b43bb0b32210f996cb5b55215994c20a
>
> I wouldn't mind this so much, but most of the rail companies
> deliberately block mobile phone signals coming in the windows, so you
> can't use your own data allowance of 4g or 5g.  I know their excuse is
> that they do this to block UV but I'm sure it's possible to get window
> glass that does this without turning the carriage into a Faraday cage.
> I think that a campaign against this practice would be more useful.

"Deliberately" is an unusual word to describe "took a choice that in
hindsight 20 years later is not optimal".

I vagely remember some "modernizing" action (IIRC at DB) where they
engraved a certain micro-pattern into the metallic window coating to
enable mobile phone frequencies to pass through without significantly
changing the thermal properties.

Rolf

On Mon, 29 Jan 2024 11:07:27 +0100
Rolf Mantel <news@hartig-mantel.de> wrote:
>Am 28.01.2024 um 23:21 schrieb Clive Page:
>> On 28/01/2024 08:18, Recliner wrote:
>>>
>>>
>https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/f485d69f-c2d2-41db-8995-2d6ed8b11d28?shareTo
>ken=b43bb0b32210f996cb5b55215994c20a
>>
>> I wouldn't mind this so much, but most of the rail companies
>> deliberately block mobile phone signals coming in the windows, so you
>> can't use your own data allowance of 4g or 5g.  I know their excuse is
>> that they do this to block UV but I'm sure it's possible to get window
>> glass that does this without turning the carriage into a Faraday cage.
>> I think that a campaign against this practice would be more useful.
>
>"Deliberately" is an unusual word to describe "took a choice that in
>hindsight 20 years later is not optimal".

It was optimal at the time however. There were far too many idiots even back
then who thought talking loudly on a mobile made them seem important. Luckily
these days the equivalent idiots are silently typing their nonsense on
WhatsCrap or Farcebook.

On 29/01/2024 08:49, Coffee wrote:

> I don't
> know what this article is on about in places.

Company that sells WiFi equipment says railway companies should buy new
WiFi equipment.

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Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid> wrote:
> On 29/01/2024 08:49, Coffee wrote:
>
>
>> I don't
>> know what this article is on about in places.
>
> Company that sells WiFi equipment says railway companies should buy new
> WiFi equipment.

On the other hand more people are using the Internet for purposes that put
greater demands on bandwidth, and the technology has changed to accommodate
that requirement. Not updating the kit means lagging.

Sam

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On 02/02/2024 12:18, Sam Wilson wrote:
> Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid> wrote:
>> On 29/01/2024 08:49, Coffee wrote:
>>
>>
>>> I don't
>>> know what this article is on about in places.
>>
>> Company that sells WiFi equipment says railway companies should buy new
>> WiFi equipment.
>
> On the other hand more people are using the Internet for purposes that put
> greater demands on bandwidth, and the technology has changed to accommodate
> that requirement. Not updating the kit means lagging.
>

I thought only steam locos needed lagging.

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On 02/02/2024 12:28, Graeme Wall wrote:
> On 02/02/2024 12:18, Sam Wilson wrote:
>> Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid> wrote:
>>> On 29/01/2024 08:49, Coffee wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> I don't
>>>> know what this article is on about in places.
>>>
>>> Company that sells WiFi equipment says railway companies should buy new
>>> WiFi equipment.
>>
>> On the other hand more people are using the Internet for purposes that
>> put
>> greater demands on bandwidth, and the technology has changed to
>> accommodate
>> that requirement.  Not updating the kit means lagging.
>>
>
> I thought only steam locos needed lagging.
>
Steam heated coaching stock had some lagging as well.

Coffee <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
> On 02/02/2024 12:28, Graeme Wall wrote:
>> On 02/02/2024 12:18, Sam Wilson wrote:
>>> Arthur Figgis <afiggis@example.invalid> wrote:
>>>> On 29/01/2024 08:49, Coffee wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I don't
>>>>> know what this article is on about in places.
>>>>
>>>> Company that sells WiFi equipment says railway companies should buy new
>>>> WiFi equipment.
>>>
>>> On the other hand more people are using the Internet for purposes that
>>> put
>>> greater demands on bandwidth, and the technology has changed to
>>> accommodate
>>> that requirement.  Not updating the kit means lagging.
>>>
>>
>> I thought only steam locos needed lagging.
>>
> Steam heated coaching stock had some lagging as well.

Just proves how old fashioned steam is.

Sam

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