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Storm Isha - why compensation?

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From: newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk (Scott)
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Subject: Storm Isha - why compensation?
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by: Scott - Mon, 22 Jan 2024 19:28 UTC

Why is compensation paid to rail passengers for cancellations due to
Storm Isha? Surely this is a factor outside the control of the rail
industry?

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by: Tweed - Mon, 22 Jan 2024 19:36 UTC

Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> Why is compensation paid to rail passengers for cancellations due to
> Storm Isha? Surely this is a factor outside the control of the rail
> industry?
>

Depends. If a lineside tree comes down that could be down to poor
maintenance by the railway.

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by: Scott - Mon, 22 Jan 2024 19:39 UTC

On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 19:36:16 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
<usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:

>Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> Why is compensation paid to rail passengers for cancellations due to
>> Storm Isha? Surely this is a factor outside the control of the rail
>> industry?
>>
>
>Depends. If a lineside tree comes down that could be down to poor
>maintenance by the railway.

Yes - something the claimant would require to prove :-)

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by: Coffee - Mon, 22 Jan 2024 19:45 UTC

On 22/01/2024 19:39, Scott wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 19:36:16 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>> Why is compensation paid to rail passengers for cancellations due to
>>> Storm Isha? Surely this is a factor outside the control of the rail
>>> industry?
>>>
>>
>> Depends. If a lineside tree comes down that could be down to poor
>> maintenance by the railway.
>
> Yes - something the claimant would require to prove :-)

No. The rail industry would be required to prove it was outside their
control but...

Compensation is now payable for all delayed journeys regardless of fault.

If the railway is given even more wriggle room it decreases their
already minimal incentive to reduce the delays to passengers.

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by: Scott - Mon, 22 Jan 2024 20:06 UTC

On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 19:45:03 +0000, Coffee
<martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:

>On 22/01/2024 19:39, Scott wrote:
>> On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 19:36:16 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>> Why is compensation paid to rail passengers for cancellations due to
>>>> Storm Isha? Surely this is a factor outside the control of the rail
>>>> industry?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Depends. If a lineside tree comes down that could be down to poor
>>> maintenance by the railway.
>>
>> Yes - something the claimant would require to prove :-)
>
>No. The rail industry would be required to prove it was outside their
>control but...
>
>Compensation is now payable for all delayed journeys regardless of fault.
>
>If the railway is given even more wriggle room it decreases their
>already minimal incentive to reduce the delays to passengers.

Conversely if compensation were to be removed, the cost of tickets
would reduce and passengers could pay an (optional) insurance
surcharge. If the M6 is closed for any reason I don't get compensation
from National Highways.

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by: Tweed - Mon, 22 Jan 2024 20:24 UTC

Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 19:45:03 +0000, Coffee
> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 22/01/2024 19:39, Scott wrote:
>>> On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 19:36:16 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Why is compensation paid to rail passengers for cancellations due to
>>>>> Storm Isha? Surely this is a factor outside the control of the rail
>>>>> industry?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Depends. If a lineside tree comes down that could be down to poor
>>>> maintenance by the railway.
>>>
>>> Yes - something the claimant would require to prove :-)
>>
>> No. The rail industry would be required to prove it was outside their
>> control but...
>>
>> Compensation is now payable for all delayed journeys regardless of fault.
>>
>> If the railway is given even more wriggle room it decreases their
>> already minimal incentive to reduce the delays to passengers.
>
> Conversely if compensation were to be removed, the cost of tickets
> would reduce and passengers could pay an (optional) insurance
> surcharge. If the M6 is closed for any reason I don't get compensation
> from National Highways.
>

You don’t buy a ticket from National Highways (yet…..)

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by: Coffee - Mon, 22 Jan 2024 20:53 UTC

On 22/01/2024 20:06, Scott wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 19:45:03 +0000, Coffee
> <martin.coffee@round-midnight.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> On 22/01/2024 19:39, Scott wrote:
>>> On Mon, 22 Jan 2024 19:36:16 -0000 (UTC), Tweed
>>> <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>> Why is compensation paid to rail passengers for cancellations due to
>>>>> Storm Isha? Surely this is a factor outside the control of the rail
>>>>> industry?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Depends. If a lineside tree comes down that could be down to poor
>>>> maintenance by the railway.
>>>
>>> Yes - something the claimant would require to prove :-)
>>
>> No. The rail industry would be required to prove it was outside their
>> control but...
>>
>> Compensation is now payable for all delayed journeys regardless of fault.
>>
>> If the railway is given even more wriggle room it decreases their
>> already minimal incentive to reduce the delays to passengers.
>
> Conversely if compensation were to be removed, the cost of tickets
> would reduce and passengers could pay an (optional) insurance
> surcharge. If the M6 is closed for any reason I don't get compensation
> from National Highways.

With this government the cost of tickets would not reduce.

On the other hand you could pay to insure for your delays on the M6. Do
you have such insurance?

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by: Anna Noyd-Dryver - Mon, 22 Jan 2024 21:35 UTC

I don't think that's true - tickets have increased pretty consistently by
the annual increase related to the previous year's rate of inflation; I'm
not aware of an increase in fares at the time the delay repay schemes
began?

In the current system the fares all go straight to the Treasury anyway.

Anna Noyd-Dryver

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by: Roland Perry - Thu, 25 Jan 2024 10:21 UTC

In message <uomg3g$s9a1$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:36:16 on Mon, 22 Jan
2024, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:

>> Why is compensation paid to rail passengers for cancellations due to
>> Storm Isha? Surely this is a factor outside the control of the rail
>> industry?
>
>Depends. If a lineside tree comes down that could be down to poor
>maintenance by the railway.

Similarly much of the flooding is a combination of bad design and poor
maintenance.

Meanwhile, if the wind's blowing then the poor design/maintenance of OHL
(and pantographs) means even if the wires don't come down, speed limits
are often imposed.
--
Roland Perry

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by: Tweed - Thu, 25 Jan 2024 10:48 UTC

Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
> In message <uomg3g$s9a1$1@dont-email.me>, at 19:36:16 on Mon, 22 Jan
> 2024, Tweed <usenet.tweed@gmail.com> remarked:
>> Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>> Why is compensation paid to rail passengers for cancellations due to
>>> Storm Isha? Surely this is a factor outside the control of the rail
>>> industry?
>>
>> Depends. If a lineside tree comes down that could be down to poor
>> maintenance by the railway.
>
> Similarly much of the flooding is a combination of bad design and poor
> maintenance.
>
> Meanwhile, if the wind's blowing then the poor design/maintenance of OHL
> (and pantographs) means even if the wires don't come down, speed limits
> are often imposed.

I think the original idea of compensation was to encourage the railway to
get things right rather than having to pay out. You can see that idea
looking attractive to bright young things in Whitehall. Unfortunately it’s
turned out to be the opposite - things don’t need to get sorted because we
pay compensation, and that comes from a budget stream very distant from
what pays for (lack of) maintenance.

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by: D A Stocks - Thu, 25 Jan 2024 18:51 UTC

"Scott" <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Why is compensation paid to rail passengers for cancellations due to
> Storm Isha? Surely this is a factor outside the control of the rail
> industry?

In The Real World customers are not expected to pay for products that have
not been delivered by a vendor.

What part of that are you having difficulty with?
--
DAS

Subject	Author
Storm Isha - why compensation?	Scott
Re: Storm Isha - why compensation?	Tweed
Re: Storm Isha - why compensation?	Scott
Re: Storm Isha - why compensation?	Coffee
Re: Storm Isha - why compensation?	Scott
Re: Storm Isha - why compensation?	Tweed
Re: Storm Isha - why compensation?	Coffee
Re: Storm Isha - why compensation?	Anna Noyd-Dryver
Re: Storm Isha - why compensation?	Roland Perry
Re: Storm Isha - why compensation?	Tweed
Re: Storm Isha - why compensation?	D A Stocks