I did not realise BTP policed the Glasgow Subway. I though it was only
the national rail network and London Underground.

Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> I did not realise BTP policed the Glasgow Subway. I though it was only
> the national rail network and London Underground.
>

What have you been charged with? :)

GH

On 17 Jan 2024 10:14:24 GMT, Marland <gemehabal@btinternet.co.uk>
wrote:

>Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
>> I did not realise BTP policed the Glasgow Subway. I though it was only
>> the national rail network and London Underground.
>>
>What have you been charged with? :)
>
Not me guv - it was more to do with not keeping goal efficently and
failing to kick a ball with accuracy whilst in the opponent's half.

On 17/01/2024 09:45, Scott wrote:
> I did not realise BTP policed the Glasgow Subway. I though it was only
> the national rail network and London Underground.

What areas do British Transport Police cover?
We police Britain's railways, providing a service to rail operators,
their staff and passengers across the country. We also police the London
Underground, Docklands Light Railway, the Midland Metro tram system,
Croydon Tramlink, Tyne and Wear Metro, Glasgow Subway and IFS cloud
cable car.

On 17/01/2024 09:45, Scott wrote:
> I did not realise BTP policed the Glasgow Subway. I though it was only
> the national rail network and London Underground.

I think they also have powers to operate near railway stations and
anywhere to investigate crime related to the railway.

They can be called to assist other forces especially when firearms
officers are needed,

On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 12:22:18 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:

>On 17/01/2024 09:45, Scott wrote:
>> I did not realise BTP policed the Glasgow Subway. I though it was only
>> the national rail network and London Underground.
>
>What areas do British Transport Police cover?
>We police Britain's railways, providing a service to rail operators,
>their staff and passengers across the country. We also police the London
>Underground, Docklands Light Railway, the Midland Metro tram system,
>Croydon Tramlink, Tyne and Wear Metro, Glasgow Subway and IFS cloud
>cable car.
>
Thanks. I wonder why Birmingham and not Manchester? I believe in the
past they alao covered airports. I assume they cover London
Overground?

Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 12:22:18 +0000, JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>
>> On 17/01/2024 09:45, Scott wrote:
>>> I did not realise BTP policed the Glasgow Subway. I though it was only
>>> the national rail network and London Underground.
>>
>> What areas do British Transport Police cover?
>> We police Britain's railways, providing a service to rail operators,
>> their staff and passengers across the country. We also police the London
>> Underground, Docklands Light Railway, the Midland Metro tram system,
>> Croydon Tramlink, Tyne and Wear Metro, Glasgow Subway and IFS cloud
>> cable car.
>>
> Thanks. I wonder why Birmingham and not Manchester?

https://www.btp.police.uk/SysSiteAssets/foi-media/british-transport-police/foi-requests/foi-response-01-foi-21-678---btp-jurisdiction-manchester-victoria-metrolink-.pdf

> I believe in the past they alao covered airports.

I don't recall that, so it must have been a long time ago.

> I assume they cover London Overground?

LO uses NR tracks, so yes.

JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 17/01/2024 09:45, Scott wrote:
>> I did not realise BTP policed the Glasgow Subway. I though it was only
>> the national rail network and London Underground.
>
>
>
>
> What areas do British Transport Police cover?
> We police Britain's railways, providing a service to rail operators,
> their staff and passengers across the country. We also police the London
> Underground, Docklands Light Railway, the Midland Metro tram system,
> Croydon Tramlink, Tyne and Wear Metro, Glasgow Subway and IFS cloud
> cable car.

But:

BTP is not responsible for policing the majority of the Tyne and Wear
Metro, which is instead policed by Northumbria Police's Metro Unit, nor the
entirety of the Manchester Metrolink (policed by Greater Manchester
Police). BTP also does not police heritage railways.

JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
> On 17/01/2024 09:45, Scott wrote:
>> I did not realise BTP policed the Glasgow Subway. I though it was only
>> the national rail network and London Underground.
>
>
>
> I think they also have powers to operate near railway stations and
> anywhere to investigate crime related to the railway.
>
> They can be called to assist other forces especially when firearms
> officers are needed,
>

It's interesting when the BTP and a local police force have intersecting
powers (eg, railway stations inside airports, Manchester trams serving
Piccadilly and Victoria NR stations, the T&W Metro running on shared
tracks, heritage railways serving NR stations, etc.). And I wonder why the
BTP polices the Thames gondolas? They don't connect or share anything with
railways at either end.

Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
> JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 17/01/2024 09:45, Scott wrote:
>>> I did not realise BTP policed the Glasgow Subway. I though it was only
>>> the national rail network and London Underground.
>>
>>
>>
>> I think they also have powers to operate near railway stations and
>> anywhere to investigate crime related to the railway.
>>
>> They can be called to assist other forces especially when firearms
>> officers are needed,
>>
>
> It's interesting when the BTP and a local police force have intersecting
> powers (eg, railway stations inside airports, Manchester trams serving
> Piccadilly and Victoria NR stations, the T&W Metro running on shared
> tracks, heritage railways serving NR stations, etc.). And I wonder why the
> BTP polices the Thames gondolas? They don't connect or share anything with
> railways at either end.

Possibly because they’re BTP rather than BRP? The T might make any
divisions more arbitrary than just railways.

Sam

--
The entity formerly known as Sam.Wilson@ed.ac.uk
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In message <13QpN.21298$7uxe.2764@fx09.ams1>, at 12:51:09 on Wed, 17 Jan
2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>> On 17/01/2024 09:45, Scott wrote:
>>> I did not realise BTP policed the Glasgow Subway. I though it was only
>>> the national rail network and London Underground.
>>
>> I think they also have powers to operate near railway stations and
>> anywhere to investigate crime related to the railway.
>>
>> They can be called to assist other forces especially when firearms
>> officers are needed,
>
>It's interesting when the BTP and a local police force have intersecting
>powers (eg, railway stations inside airports, Manchester trams serving
>Piccadilly and Victoria NR stations, the T&W Metro running on shared
>tracks, heritage railways serving NR stations, etc.). And I wonder why the
>BTP polices the Thames gondolas? They don't connect or share anything with
>railways at either end.

I always used to find it odd that Leicestershire Police did East
Midlands Airport, when the vast majority of the pax were from
Derbyshire or Notts.
--
Roland Perry

On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 13:14:00 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:

>Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>> JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>>> On 17/01/2024 09:45, Scott wrote:
>>>> I did not realise BTP policed the Glasgow Subway. I though it was only
>>>> the national rail network and London Underground.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I think they also have powers to operate near railway stations and
>>> anywhere to investigate crime related to the railway.
>>>
>>> They can be called to assist other forces especially when firearms
>>> officers are needed,
>>>
>>
>> It's interesting when the BTP and a local police force have intersecting
>> powers (eg, railway stations inside airports, Manchester trams serving
>> Piccadilly and Victoria NR stations, the T&W Metro running on shared
>> tracks, heritage railways serving NR stations, etc.). And I wonder why the
>> BTP polices the Thames gondolas? They don't connect or share anything with
>> railways at either end.
>
>Possibly because they’re BTP rather than BRP? The T might make any
>divisions more arbitrary than just railways.

The BTP is funded by the railways, and exists to police the railways. It doesn't do airports, roads, buses or boats, so
why gondolas?

On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 13:25:52 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:

>In message <13QpN.21298$7uxe.2764@fx09.ams1>, at 12:51:09 on Wed, 17 Jan
>2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>>> On 17/01/2024 09:45, Scott wrote:
>>>> I did not realise BTP policed the Glasgow Subway. I though it was only
>>>> the national rail network and London Underground.
>>>
>>> I think they also have powers to operate near railway stations and
>>> anywhere to investigate crime related to the railway.
>>>
>>> They can be called to assist other forces especially when firearms
>>> officers are needed,
>>
>>It's interesting when the BTP and a local police force have intersecting
>>powers (eg, railway stations inside airports, Manchester trams serving
>>Piccadilly and Victoria NR stations, the T&W Metro running on shared
>>tracks, heritage railways serving NR stations, etc.). And I wonder why the
>>BTP polices the Thames gondolas? They don't connect or share anything with
>>railways at either end.
>
>I always used to find it odd that Leicestershire Police did East
>Midlands Airport, when the vast majority of the pax were from
>Derbyshire or Notts.

Perhaps because it's in Leicestershire?

On 17/01/2024 13:25, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <13QpN.21298$7uxe.2764@fx09.ams1>, at 12:51:09 on Wed, 17 Jan
> 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>> JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>>> On 17/01/2024 09:45, Scott wrote:
>>>> I did not realise BTP policed the Glasgow Subway. I though it was only
>>>> the national rail network and London Underground.
>>>
>>> I think they also have powers to operate near railway stations and
>>> anywhere to investigate crime related to the railway.
>>>
>>> They can be called to assist other forces especially when firearms
>>> officers are needed,
>>
>> It's interesting when the BTP and a local police force have intersecting
>> powers (eg, railway stations inside airports, Manchester trams serving
>> Piccadilly and Victoria NR stations, the T&W Metro running on shared
>> tracks, heritage railways serving NR stations, etc.). And I wonder why
>> the
>> BTP polices the Thames gondolas?  They don't connect or share anything
>> with
>> railways at either end.
>
> I always used to find it odd that Leicestershire Police did East
> Midlands Airport, when the vast majority of the pax were from
> Derbyshire or Notts.

Possibly because it is physically in Leicestershire.
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On 17/01/2024 13:50, Recliner wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 13:14:00 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>
>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>> On 17/01/2024 09:45, Scott wrote:
>>>>> I did not realise BTP policed the Glasgow Subway. I though it was only
>>>>> the national rail network and London Underground.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think they also have powers to operate near railway stations and
>>>> anywhere to investigate crime related to the railway.
>>>>
>>>> They can be called to assist other forces especially when firearms
>>>> officers are needed,
>>>>
>>>
>>> It's interesting when the BTP and a local police force have intersecting
>>> powers (eg, railway stations inside airports, Manchester trams serving
>>> Piccadilly and Victoria NR stations, the T&W Metro running on shared
>>> tracks, heritage railways serving NR stations, etc.). And I wonder why the
>>> BTP polices the Thames gondolas? They don't connect or share anything with
>>> railways at either end.
>>
>> Possibly because they’re BTP rather than BRP? The T might make any
>> divisions more arbitrary than just railways.
>
> The BTP is funded by the railways, and exists to police the railways. It doesn't do airports, roads, buses or boats, so
> why gondolas?

Because the danglebahn comes under TfL?
--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 13:52:48 +0000, Recliner
<recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 13:25:52 +0000, Roland Perry <roland@perry.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <13QpN.21298$7uxe.2764@fx09.ams1>, at 12:51:09 on Wed, 17 Jan
>>2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>>JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>> On 17/01/2024 09:45, Scott wrote:
>>>>> I did not realise BTP policed the Glasgow Subway. I though it was only
>>>>> the national rail network and London Underground.
>>>>
>>>> I think they also have powers to operate near railway stations and
>>>> anywhere to investigate crime related to the railway.
>>>>
>>>> They can be called to assist other forces especially when firearms
>>>> officers are needed,
>>>
>>>It's interesting when the BTP and a local police force have intersecting
>>>powers (eg, railway stations inside airports, Manchester trams serving
>>>Piccadilly and Victoria NR stations, the T&W Metro running on shared
>>>tracks, heritage railways serving NR stations, etc.). And I wonder why the
>>>BTP polices the Thames gondolas? They don't connect or share anything with
>>>railways at either end.
>>
>>I always used to find it odd that Leicestershire Police did East
>>Midlands Airport, when the vast majority of the pax were from
>>Derbyshire or Notts.
>
>Perhaps because it's in Leicestershire?

By Roland's logic Merseyside Police should police the whole UK :-)

On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 14:10:34 +0000, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> wrote:

>On 17/01/2024 13:50, Recliner wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 13:14:00 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson <ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 17/01/2024 09:45, Scott wrote:
>>>>>> I did not realise BTP policed the Glasgow Subway. I though it was only
>>>>>> the national rail network and London Underground.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think they also have powers to operate near railway stations and
>>>>> anywhere to investigate crime related to the railway.
>>>>>
>>>>> They can be called to assist other forces especially when firearms
>>>>> officers are needed,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's interesting when the BTP and a local police force have intersecting
>>>> powers (eg, railway stations inside airports, Manchester trams serving
>>>> Piccadilly and Victoria NR stations, the T&W Metro running on shared
>>>> tracks, heritage railways serving NR stations, etc.). And I wonder why the
>>>> BTP polices the Thames gondolas? They don't connect or share anything with
>>>> railways at either end.
>>>
>>> Possibly because they’re BTP rather than BRP? The T might make any
>>> divisions more arbitrary than just railways.
>>
>> The BTP is funded by the railways, and exists to police the railways. It doesn't do airports, roads, buses or boats, so
>> why gondolas?
>
>Because the danglebahn comes under TfL?

Yes, I suppose it's the reason, but it's still a bit odd.

In message <uo8n3g$21cnv$1@dont-email.me>, at 14:09:52 on Wed, 17 Jan
2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>On 17/01/2024 13:25, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <13QpN.21298$7uxe.2764@fx09.ams1>, at 12:51:09 on Wed, 17
>>Jan 2024, Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> remarked:
>>> JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>> On 17/01/2024 09:45, Scott wrote:
>>>>> I did not realise BTP policed the Glasgow Subway. I though it was only
>>>>> the national rail network and London Underground.
>>>>
>>>> I think they also have powers to operate near railway stations and
>>>> anywhere to investigate crime related to the railway.
>>>>
>>>> They can be called to assist other forces especially when firearms
>>>> officers are needed,
>>>
>>> It's interesting when the BTP and a local police force have intersecting
>>> powers (eg, railway stations inside airports, Manchester trams serving
>>> Piccadilly and Victoria NR stations, the T&W Metro running on shared
>>> tracks, heritage railways serving NR stations, etc.). And I wonder
>>>why the
>>> BTP polices the Thames gondolas?  They don't connect or share
>>>anything with
>>> railways at either end.

>> I always used to find it odd that Leicestershire Police did East
>>Midlands Airport, when the vast majority of the pax were from
>> Derbyshire or Notts.
>
>Possibly because it is physically in Leicestershire.

Yes it is, but just by the skin of its teeth. Still felt odd.
--
Roland Perry

In message <uo8n4q$21cnv$2@dont-email.me>, at 14:10:34 on Wed, 17 Jan
2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>On 17/01/2024 13:50, Recliner wrote:
>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 13:14:00 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>><ukr@dummy.wislons.fastmail.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>> Recliner <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> JMB99 <mb@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>> On 17/01/2024 09:45, Scott wrote:
>>>>>> I did not realise BTP policed the Glasgow Subway. I though it was only
>>>>>> the national rail network and London Underground.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think they also have powers to operate near railway stations and
>>>>> anywhere to investigate crime related to the railway.
>>>>>
>>>>> They can be called to assist other forces especially when firearms
>>>>> officers are needed,
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's interesting when the BTP and a local police force have intersecting
>>>> powers (eg, railway stations inside airports, Manchester trams serving
>>>> Piccadilly and Victoria NR stations, the T&W Metro running on shared
>>>> tracks, heritage railways serving NR stations, etc.). And I wonder why the
>>>> BTP polices the Thames gondolas? They don't connect or share anything with
>>>> railways at either end.
>>>
>>> Possibly because they’re BTP rather than BRP? The T might make any
>>> divisions more arbitrary than just railways.

>> The BTP is funded by the railways, and exists to police the
>>railways. It doesn't do airports, roads, buses or boats, so
>> why gondolas?
>
>Because the danglebahn comes under TfL?

But also, famously, do rather a lot of buses, and a few boats.

Also numerous roads (see 20mph zones ahead of individual boroughs
implementing them, ULEZ and Congestion Charge).
--
Roland Perry

On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 13:50:03 +0000, Recliner
<recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>The BTP is funded by the railways, and exists to police the railways. It doesn't do airports, roads, buses or boats, so
>why gondolas?

Because the operator pays?

On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 14:27:41 +0000, Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 13:50:03 +0000, Recliner
><recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>>
>>The BTP is funded by the railways, and exists to police the railways. It doesn't do airports, roads, buses or boats, so
>>why gondolas?
>
>Because the operator pays?

I suppose so. They normally just say that the BTP "is funded by the railway," which I'd taken to mean a general railway
fund, but perhaps it does mean that each organisation subscribes individually for BTP cover. I wonder if they can
subscribe for different levels of cover (eg, whether or not the BTP maintains a permanent presence at particular
locations)?

On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 15:25:23 +0000, Recliner
<recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 14:27:41 +0000, Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 13:50:03 +0000, Recliner
>><recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>
>>>The BTP is funded by the railways, and exists to police the railways. It doesn't do airports, roads, buses or boats, so
>>>why gondolas?
>>
>>Because the operator pays?
>
>I suppose so. They normally just say that the BTP "is funded by the railway," which I'd taken to mean a general railway
>fund, but perhaps it does mean that each organisation subscribes individually for BTP cover. I wonder if they can
>subscribe for different levels of cover (eg, whether or not the BTP maintains a permanent presence at particular
>locations)?

Could it be Network Rail that pays on behalf of the industry as a
whole? This would eliminate arguments about allocation.

Scott <newsgroups@gefion.myzen.co.uk> wrote:
> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 15:25:23 +0000, Recliner
> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 14:27:41 +0000, Peter Johnson <peter@parksidewood.nospam> wrote:
>>
>>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 13:50:03 +0000, Recliner
>>> <recliner.usenet@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> The BTP is funded by the railways, and exists to police the railways.
>>>> It doesn't do airports, roads, buses or boats, so
>>>> why gondolas?
>>>
>>> Because the operator pays?
>>
>> I suppose so. They normally just say that the BTP "is funded by the
>> railway," which I'd taken to mean a general railway
>> fund, but perhaps it does mean that each organisation subscribes
>> individually for BTP cover. I wonder if they can
>> subscribe for different levels of cover (eg, whether or not the BTP
>> maintains a permanent presence at particular
>> locations)?
>
> Could it be Network Rail that pays on behalf of the industry as a
> whole? This would eliminate arguments about allocation.

That's roughly what I had initially assumed, but I don't suppose TfL gets
off without contributing its share of the costs.

On 17/01/2024 14:16, Roland Perry wrote:
> In message <uo8n4q$21cnv$2@dont-email.me>, at 14:10:34 on Wed, 17 Jan
> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>> On 17/01/2024 13:50, Recliner wrote:
>>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 13:14:00 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>>>>
>>>> Possibly because they’re BTP rather than BRP?  The T might make any
>>>> divisions more arbitrary than just railways.
>
>>>  The BTP is funded by the railways, and exists to police the
>>> railways. It doesn't do airports, roads, buses or boats, so
>>> why gondolas?
>>
>> Because the danglebahn comes under TfL?
>
> But also, famously, do rather a lot of buses, and a few boats.

Presumably the boats are the responsibility of the river police.

--
Graeme Wall
This account not read.

On 17/01/2024 21:03, Graeme Wall wrote:
> On 17/01/2024 14:16, Roland Perry wrote:
>> In message <uo8n4q$21cnv$2@dont-email.me>, at 14:10:34 on Wed, 17 Jan
>> 2024, Graeme Wall <rail@greywall.demon.co.uk> remarked:
>>> On 17/01/2024 13:50, Recliner wrote:
>>>> On Wed, 17 Jan 2024 13:14:00 -0000 (UTC), Sam Wilson
>>>>>
>>>>> Possibly because they’re BTP rather than BRP?  The T might make any
>>>>> divisions more arbitrary than just railways.
>>
>>>>  The BTP is funded by the railways, and exists to police the
>>>> railways. It doesn't do airports, roads, buses or boats, so
>>>> why gondolas?
>>>
>>> Because the danglebahn comes under TfL?
>>
>> But also, famously, do rather a lot of buses, and a few boats.
>
> Presumably the boats are the responsibility of the river police.
>
>

A long time ago the Sealink ferries to the Channel Islands used Weymouth
and Portsmouth. If police were wanted to attend in Weymouth it was BTP,
if Portsmouth it was Hants Constabulary. OK, Weymouth port was rail
connected so logical.

--
Colin