Replacing front door actuator on a VY Dunnydore, the genuine parts are
$130 to $160. I have bought a no-name copy before, it worked okay.
So needing another, I got one from eBay for $30. When it arrived, I see
it has only 3 pins instead of 6. It has connections to the motor and the
switch that confirms it is in locked position. The missing pins are for
another switch that triggers the body control module when you push the
door snib down.
So cheapskates removed functionality to save a dollar.

On 12/3/2024 2:33 pm, Ozix wrote:
> Replacing front door actuator on a VY Dunnydore, the genuine parts are
> $130 to $160. I have bought a no-name copy before, it worked okay.
> So needing another, I got one from eBay for $30. When it arrived, I see
> it has only 3 pins instead of 6. It has connections to the motor and the
> switch that confirms it is in locked position. The missing pins are for
> another switch that triggers the body control module when you push the
> door snib down.
> So cheapskates removed functionality to save a dollar.

The way I see it, you bought cheap Chinese crap to save a dollar and
outsmarted yourself. ;-)

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 12/3/2024 2:33 pm, Ozix wrote:
> Replacing front door actuator on a VY Dunnydore, the genuine parts are
> $130 to $160. I have bought a no-name copy before, it worked okay.
> So needing another, I got one from eBay for $30. When it arrived, I see
> it has only 3 pins instead of 6. It has connections to the motor and the
> switch that confirms it is in locked position. The missing pins are for
> another switch that triggers the body control module when you push the
> door snib down.
> So cheapskates removed functionality to save a dollar.

Even worse is that the OE part was very likely also made in China and
they charge 4-5 times the price just to put it into a blue box with
Holden printed on it.

--
Daryl

On 12/03/2024 11:33 am, Ozix wrote:
> Replacing front door actuator on a VY Dunnydore, the genuine parts are
> $130 to $160. I have bought a no-name copy before, it worked okay.
> So needing another, I got one from eBay for $30. When it arrived, I see
> it has only 3 pins instead of 6. It has connections to the motor and the
> switch that confirms it is in locked position. The missing pins are for
> another switch that triggers the body control module when you push the
> door snib down.
> So cheapskates removed functionality to save a dollar.

That's your own fault for being a cheapskate, what the hell did you
expect for $30? Did you check the price and availability through an
ex-Holden dealer? I recently needed a blower fan resistor for an older
Commodore. They were well over $100 to close to $200 on eBay for a
non-genuine one so I rang my ex-Holden dealer and they could do me one
(albeit at trade price so a bit more for retail) for just over $40 inc.
and it was the genuine OEM article. They ordered it in from Perth (I'm
regional WA) and I could pick it up the next morning with no charge for
freight.

Can't beat that.

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In thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Sept 23 2021 11:15:59am
Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
proven liar."

On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."

On 12/03/2024 1:02 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 12/3/2024 2:33 pm, Ozix wrote:
>> Replacing front door actuator on a VY Dunnydore, the genuine parts are
>> $130 to $160. I have bought a no-name copy before, it worked okay.
>> So needing another, I got one from eBay for $30. When it arrived, I
>> see it has only 3 pins instead of 6. It has connections to the motor
>> and the switch that confirms it is in locked position. The missing
>> pins are for another switch that triggers the body control module when
>> you push the door snib down.
>> So cheapskates removed functionality to save a dollar.
>
>
> Even worse is that the OE part was very likely also made in China and
> they charge 4-5 times the price just to put it into a blue box with
> Holden printed on it.
>
>

Probably not made in China but even if it were it would be to OEM spec.

I know you're f'n simple mate, but you don't need to keep proving it.

--
In thread "May need to buy petrol soon" Sept 23 2021 11:15:59am
Keithr0 wrote: "He made the assertion either he proves it or he is a
proven liar."

On Sept 23 2021 3:16:29pm Keithr0 wrote:
"He asserts that the claim is true, so, if it is unproven, he is lying."

On 12/3/2024 4:02 pm, Daryl wrote:
> On 12/3/2024 2:33 pm, Ozix wrote:
>> Replacing front door actuator on a VY Dunnydore, the genuine parts are
>> $130 to $160. I have bought a no-name copy before, it worked okay.
>> So needing another, I got one from eBay for $30. When it arrived, I
>> see it has only 3 pins instead of 6. It has connections to the motor
>> and the switch that confirms it is in locked position. The missing
>> pins are for another switch that triggers the body control module when
>> you push the door snib down.
>> So cheapskates removed functionality to save a dollar.
>
>
> Even worse is that the OE part was very likely also made in China and
> they charge 4-5 times the price just to put it into a blue box with
> Holden printed on it.
>
>
What a load of utter crap! The OEM part will be made to OEM standards
with regard to materials, specifications and tolerances. The EBay part
will be little more than an unauthorised knockoff with no regard to the
above. Even if manufactured in the same factory.

As for the OEM part being 4 or 5 times the price, there is a fair degree
of nuance here and you, supposedly being a trained and qualified
mechanic, should know this. Your cheap EBay knockoff likely came direct
from either the manufacturer or a non OEM wholesaler. The EBay knockoff
then just gets *posted* and is at the mercy of the mail/courier system.

The OEM component comes from a *dealer network*. Do you have any idea
what is involved in setting up and maintaining a dealer network parts
supply system? Obviously not. For a start, the dealer network must have
a minimum supply of a whole range of components available at all times.
That stock on hand involves a huge sunk cost, scads of dead money, ie,
investment upon which there is no return. The dealer network then needs
to support a complete internal inventory and transhipment system. This
doesn't come cheap but provides huge benefits. For instance, ever gone
to a Holden dealership and sourced a part for a Holden vehicle? Your
first contact will be with a specialised Holden parts interpreter with
training and experience backing him up. Having worked with many of these
chaps, I have seen the frustration in these chaps at dealing with shop
mechanics, much less Joe public straight off the street. Anyway, the
advantage to you, Joe Public, of having that parts inventory system, is
the ability to source parts from *any dealer* in the network - inventory
systems work like that you know. What's more, you *know* it will be the
right part for the task, complete with any updates. Anyway, inventory
systems cost money to set up, operate and maintain. Guess who will end
up footing the bill for that convenience? And that's just touching the
surface of why that blue box with Holden printed on it will cost more
than that vanilla white box coming to you via EBay.

Here would be a good opportunity to relate a little experience I had
with aftermarket parts. Back in the 60s and 70s, Holden I6 water pumps
had an alloy housing and, if not used with a corrosion inhibitor, would
corrode away in short order. But the OEM replacement was cheap. Even so,
into the market came a non OEM knockoff. I had occasion to have a look
at one of these knockoffs and it did indeed look identical - but with
one subtle difference. It had no weep hole. That meant the water pump
had a *shortened* design life. The weep hole is a necessary feature of
any water pump with a mechanical seal of the carbon thrust block type.
The mechanical seal uses the working fluid, in this case engine coolant,
as a lubricant. In correct operation the design leakage for lubrication
purposes is minimal and cannot be seen as a physical fluid leak - the
coolant will be *vapourised*. That vapour, if not permitted to escape,
will condense and build up in the chamber between the mechanical seal
and the pump bearings.

https://www.agcoauto.com/content/news/p2_articleid/190

In the absence of a weep hole, the coolant will either build up and
force its way through the bearings, thus wrecking them, or fresh
coolant's inability to flow into the seal working surfaces will cause
the carbon thrust block to overheat and prematurely wear out. Either
way, the water pump has a much abbreviated life span.

Of course, untrained and unqualified pretend mechanics might not notice
that missing weep hole nor recognise its importance and just use the
cheap knockoff. That way, they set the car up for another water pump
failure sooner rather than later - or a complete new engine if the
inevitable water pump failure causes the engine to cook up.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 12/3/2024 6:54 pm, Clocky wrote:
> On 12/03/2024 1:02 pm, Daryl wrote:
>> On 12/3/2024 2:33 pm, Ozix wrote:
>>> Replacing front door actuator on a VY Dunnydore, the genuine parts
>>> are $130 to $160. I have bought a no-name copy before, it worked okay.
>>> So needing another, I got one from eBay for $30. When it arrived, I
>>> see it has only 3 pins instead of 6. It has connections to the motor
>>> and the switch that confirms it is in locked position. The missing
>>> pins are for another switch that triggers the body control module
>>> when you push the door snib down.
>>> So cheapskates removed functionality to save a dollar.
>>
>>
>> Even worse is that the OE part was very likely also made in China and
>> they charge 4-5 times the price just to put it into a blue box with
>> Holden printed on it.
>>
>>
>
> Probably not made in China but even if it were it would be to OEM spec.
>
> I know you're f'n simple mate, but you don't need to keep proving it.
>
He seems to take pride in proving it.

--
Xeno

Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)