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 by: D. Ray - Sat, 6 Apr 2024 21:50 UTC

A direct descendant of Victoria’s first settlers has called for monuments
to her family to be removed or destroyed.

Suzannah Henty, a far-left art history teacher and PhD student at the
University of Melbourne whose research focuses on “anti-colonial and
decolonial contemporary art”, appeared before the Yoorrook Justice
Commission truth-telling inquiry on Thursday.

Ms Henty is a sixth-generation descendent of pioneer James Henty, whose
brother Edward arrived in Portland in 1834 and was the Australian state’s
first permanent settler.

She told the commission: “I want to acknowledge the invasion of my
forefathers and the war that ensued was a crime that continues to inflict
harm.”

The Eumeralla Wars between British settlers and local Aboriginal people
after the arrival of the Hentys left an estimated 6,500 Indigenous
combatants dead for the loss of only 80 settlers.

Ms Henty claimed to the commission that her ancestors were “involved in an
organised ethnic cleansing of First Nations peoples” and that she was
“never told”.

She said that monuments to her ancestors in Portland should be taken down,
and moved to a park or museum for “fallen monuments” or be destroyed.

“Memorialising the Henty family is essential to colonisation,” she told the
commission, which is a hearing into alleged injustices against Victoria’s
Indigenous people.

“Removing these monuments is a start to repairing the injustice committed
by settlers. Ultimately, I believe that Indigenous people should be
responsible for what happens to the monuments.”

In 2020, the wake of deadly Black Lives Matter riots across the United
States which caused widespread destruction and death, she wrote an opinion
piece for The Guardian stating that BLM was a “transnational movement”,
reflecting on her ancestry, and calling for reparations and the dismantling
of “colonial systems”.

> Suzannah Henty, a sixth generation descendant of the Henty settlers
> speaks out about her family's' past and the importance of understanding
> and acknowledging the true history of Victoria.
> Follow to stay up to date on Yoorrook's Land, Sky & Water hearings and
> #truthtelling. pic.twitter.com/SW5dqKMxBn

> — Yoorrook Justice Commission (@yoorrookjc) March 28, 2024

Victorian Aboriginal Community Controlled Health Organisation chief
executive Jill Gallagher, an Aboriginal woman, told the inquiry that
Indigenous people needed to be given Crown land.

“We need places to heal and connect, safe places,” Ms Gallagher said.

“Owning land and having access to land, it really is that ongoing
sustainable approach to self determination … at a local level.”

The Yoorrook Justice Commission is the first formal “truth-telling”
inquiry in Australian history, and has the same powers as a Royal
Commission.

Set up to investigate alleged “systemic injustices” against Indigenous
people, the commission can compel evidence, call witnesses, hold public
hearings and make recommendations to government. Its final report in due in
mid-2025.

<https://web.archive.org/web/20240404084906/https://www.noticer.news/henty-descendant-calls-for-destruction-of-portland-victoria-monuments-to-her-ancestors/>

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 by: Ördög - Sat, 6 Apr 2024 23:08 UTC

D. Ray wrote:

/snip/

> The Yoorrook Justice Commission is the first formal “truth-telling”
> inquiry in Australian history, and has the same powers as a Royal
> Commission.
> Set up to investigate alleged “systemic injustices” against Indigenous
> people, the commission can compel evidence, call witnesses, hold public
> hearings and make recommendations to government. Its final report in due in
> mid-2025.

Given the nasty Anglo-Celtic racist nature of over privileged hard-right
political circles within OZ (i.e. the Murdoch media machinery, Advance
Australia mob and similar, Gestapo Dutton and his henchmen and
fish_and_chips auntie Hanson with her assorted bogan goons) and their
despicable misinformation and full of outright lies campaign activities
around the voice referendum I'd say this is the least we can do for the
indigenous citizens of this continent.

This is all about exercising basic decency and human compassion,
acknowledging past mistakes while preserving democracy for all in an
equitable measure.
There is nothing far leftist about this, except for to stating the
obvious: no leftists on the planet of any kind would stay in the way of
such appropriate inquiry, in fact, just the opposite.

So your point of cross-posting this article to multiple Usenet
newsgroups is what exactly?????

--
Ördög
The on duty Newsgroup Devil

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 by: Borax Man - Sat, 6 Apr 2024 23:47 UTC

On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 09:08:48 +1000
Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz> wrote:

> D. Ray wrote:
>
> /snip/
>
> > The Yoorrook Justice Commission is the first formal “truth-telling”
> > inquiry in Australian history, and has the same powers as a Royal
> > Commission.
> > Set up to investigate alleged “systemic injustices” against Indigenous
> > people, the commission can compel evidence, call witnesses, hold public
> > hearings and make recommendations to government. Its final report in due in
> > mid-2025.
>
> Given the nasty Anglo-Celtic racist nature of over privileged hard-right
> political circles within OZ (i.e. the Murdoch media machinery, Advance
> Australia mob and similar, Gestapo Dutton and his henchmen and
> fish_and_chips auntie Hanson with her assorted bogan goons) and their
> despicable misinformation and full of outright lies campaign activities
> around the voice referendum I'd say this is the least we can do for the
> indigenous citizens of this continent.
>
> This is all about exercising basic decency and human compassion,
> acknowledging past mistakes while preserving democracy for all in an
> equitable measure.
> There is nothing far leftist about this, except for to stating the
> obvious: no leftists on the planet of any kind would stay in the way of
> such appropriate inquiry, in fact, just the opposite.
>
> So your point of cross-posting this article to multiple Usenet
> newsgroups is what exactly?????
>

As someone whose family has been in Australia only since the 1950s, I
wish the Anglos' would keep me out of their issues. My family, and in
fact, many, many other Australians had nothing to do with the original
Colonisation, and yet we're constantly reminded about it, made to feel
guilty, etc.

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Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 09:08:48 +1000
> Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz> wrote:
>
>> D. Ray wrote:
>>
>> /snip/
>>
>>> The Yoorrook Justice Commission is the first formal “truth-telling”
>>> inquiry in Australian history, and has the same powers as a Royal
>>> Commission.
>>> Set up to investigate alleged “systemic injustices” against Indigenous
>>> people, the commission can compel evidence, call witnesses, hold public
>>> hearings and make recommendations to government. Its final report in due in
>>> mid-2025.
>>
>> Given the nasty Anglo-Celtic racist nature of over privileged hard-right
>> political circles within OZ (i.e. the Murdoch media machinery, Advance
>> Australia mob and similar, Gestapo Dutton and his henchmen and
>> fish_and_chips auntie Hanson with her assorted bogan goons) and their
>> despicable misinformation and full of outright lies campaign activities
>> around the voice referendum I'd say this is the least we can do for the
>> indigenous citizens of this continent.
>>
>> This is all about exercising basic decency and human compassion,
>> acknowledging past mistakes while preserving democracy for all in an
>> equitable measure.
>> There is nothing far leftist about this, except for to stating the
>> obvious: no leftists on the planet of any kind would stay in the way of
>> such appropriate inquiry, in fact, just the opposite.
>>
>> So your point of cross-posting this article to multiple Usenet
>> newsgroups is what exactly?????
>>
>
> As someone whose family has been in Australia only since the 1950s, I
> wish the Anglos' would keep me out of their issues. My family, and in
> fact, many, many other Australians had nothing to do with the original
> Colonisation, and yet we're constantly reminded about it, made to feel
> guilty, etc.

You shouldn’t feel guilty.

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 by: Ördög - Sun, 7 Apr 2024 02:17 UTC

D. Ray

>> Ördög
>>> D. Ray wrote:
>>>> The Yoorrook Justice Commission is the first formal “truth-telling”
>>>> inquiry in Australian history, and has the same powers as a Royal
>>>> Commission.
>>>> Set up to investigate alleged “systemic injustices” against Indigenous
>>>> people, the commission can compel evidence, call witnesses, hold public
>>>> hearings and make recommendations to government. Its final report in due in
>>>> mid-2025.
>>>
>>> Given the nasty Anglo-Celtic racist nature of over privileged hard-right
>>> political circles within OZ (i.e. the Murdoch media machinery, Advance
>>> Australia mob and similar, Gestapo Dutton and his henchmen and
>>> fish_and_chips auntie Hanson with her assorted bogan goons) and their
>>> despicable misinformation and full of outright lies campaign activities
>>> around the voice referendum I'd say this is the least we can do for the
>>> indigenous citizens of this continent.
>>>
>>> This is all about exercising basic decency and human compassion,
>>> acknowledging past mistakes while preserving democracy for all in an
>>> equitable measure.
>>> There is nothing far leftist about this, except for to stating the
>>> obvious: no leftists on the planet of any kind would stay in the way of
>>> such appropriate inquiry, in fact, just the opposite.
>>>
>>> So your point of cross-posting this article to multiple Usenet
>>> newsgroups is what exactly?????
>>
>> As someone whose family has been in Australia only since the 1950s, I
>> wish the Anglos' would keep me out of their issues. My family, and in
>> fact, many, many other Australians had nothing to do with the original
>> Colonisation, and yet we're constantly reminded about it, made to feel
>> guilty, etc.

That happens only when one successfully swallows the nasty misleading
rightwing propaganda dumps in a hook-line-sinker fashion, that is all.
The remedy is quite simple: Laying off from watching/listening
to/reading all that Murdoch and LNP propaganda rubbish.

Just look up unedited ABS data to obtain a rational view on this matter
instead.

> You shouldn’t feel guilty.
>
It is not now nor has ever been about feeling some/any "guilt". It is
all about helping the indigenous population of this continent catching
up in their quality of their lives with the rest of us.
Nope, I am definitely not feeling guilty about the dark Australian past
as I am an immigrant myself, but I am keen on acknowledging real history
for what it is worth. One can always learn from past mistakes if the
will is there.
However what I definitely feel is being quite appalled seeing our
collective political inability, given our contemporary wealth, advanced
industrial and cultural status, to achieve relative equality and proper
acknowledgement for all people living here.
The racist and greedy capitalist political right has successfully
misconstrued the nature of real problems related to indigenous
Australian as was clearly seen in the rejected Voice referendum.

--
Ördög
The on duty Newsgroup Devil

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 by: Borax Man - Fri, 12 Apr 2024 10:01 UTC

On 2024-04-07, D Ray <d@ray> wrote:
> Borax Man <rotflol2@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 09:08:48 +1000
>> Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz> wrote:
>>
>>> D. Ray wrote:
>>>
>>> /snip/
>>>
>>>> The Yoorrook Justice Commission is the first formal “truth-telling”
>>>> inquiry in Australian history, and has the same powers as a Royal
>>>> Commission.
>>>> Set up to investigate alleged “systemic injustices” against Indigenous
>>>> people, the commission can compel evidence, call witnesses, hold public
>>>> hearings and make recommendations to government. Its final report in due in
>>>> mid-2025.
>>>
>>> Given the nasty Anglo-Celtic racist nature of over privileged hard-right
>>> political circles within OZ (i.e. the Murdoch media machinery, Advance
>>> Australia mob and similar, Gestapo Dutton and his henchmen and
>>> fish_and_chips auntie Hanson with her assorted bogan goons) and their
>>> despicable misinformation and full of outright lies campaign activities
>>> around the voice referendum I'd say this is the least we can do for the
>>> indigenous citizens of this continent.
>>>
>>> This is all about exercising basic decency and human compassion,
>>> acknowledging past mistakes while preserving democracy for all in an
>>> equitable measure.
>>> There is nothing far leftist about this, except for to stating the
>>> obvious: no leftists on the planet of any kind would stay in the way of
>>> such appropriate inquiry, in fact, just the opposite.
>>>
>>> So your point of cross-posting this article to multiple Usenet
>>> newsgroups is what exactly?????
>>>
>>
>> As someone whose family has been in Australia only since the 1950s, I
>> wish the Anglos' would keep me out of their issues. My family, and in
>> fact, many, many other Australians had nothing to do with the original
>> Colonisation, and yet we're constantly reminded about it, made to feel
>> guilty, etc.
>
> You shouldn’t feel guilty.

I don't, but it is annoying that its assumed im a colonizer when I'm
actually the product of immigration. They say "European
Colonisation". Why aren't the Chinese also called colonisers? They
were here before my family was.

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 by: Borax Man - Fri, 12 Apr 2024 10:09 UTC

On 2024-04-07, Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz> wrote:
> D. Ray
>
>>> Ördög
>>>> D. Ray wrote:
>>>>> The Yoorrook Justice Commission is the first formal “truth-telling”
>>>>> inquiry in Australian history, and has the same powers as a Royal
>>>>> Commission.
>>>>> Set up to investigate alleged “systemic injustices” against Indigenous
>>>>> people, the commission can compel evidence, call witnesses, hold public
>>>>> hearings and make recommendations to government. Its final report in due in
>>>>> mid-2025.
>>>>
>>>> Given the nasty Anglo-Celtic racist nature of over privileged hard-right
>>>> political circles within OZ (i.e. the Murdoch media machinery, Advance
>>>> Australia mob and similar, Gestapo Dutton and his henchmen and
>>>> fish_and_chips auntie Hanson with her assorted bogan goons) and their
>>>> despicable misinformation and full of outright lies campaign activities
>>>> around the voice referendum I'd say this is the least we can do for the
>>>> indigenous citizens of this continent.
>>>>
>>>> This is all about exercising basic decency and human compassion,
>>>> acknowledging past mistakes while preserving democracy for all in an
>>>> equitable measure.
>>>> There is nothing far leftist about this, except for to stating the
>>>> obvious: no leftists on the planet of any kind would stay in the way of
>>>> such appropriate inquiry, in fact, just the opposite.
>>>>
>>>> So your point of cross-posting this article to multiple Usenet
>>>> newsgroups is what exactly?????
>>>
>>> As someone whose family has been in Australia only since the 1950s, I
>>> wish the Anglos' would keep me out of their issues. My family, and in
>>> fact, many, many other Australians had nothing to do with the original
>>> Colonisation, and yet we're constantly reminded about it, made to feel
>>> guilty, etc.
>
> That happens only when one successfully swallows the nasty misleading
> rightwing propaganda dumps in a hook-line-sinker fashion, that is all.
> The remedy is quite simple: Laying off from watching/listening
> to/reading all that Murdoch and LNP propaganda rubbish.
>
> Just look up unedited ABS data to obtain a rational view on this matter
> instead.
>
>> You shouldn’t feel guilty.
>>
> It is not now nor has ever been about feeling some/any "guilt". It is
> all about helping the indigenous population of this continent catching
> up in their quality of their lives with the rest of us.
> Nope, I am definitely not feeling guilty about the dark Australian past
> as I am an immigrant myself, but I am keen on acknowledging real history
> for what it is worth. One can always learn from past mistakes if the
> will is there.
> However what I definitely feel is being quite appalled seeing our
> collective political inability, given our contemporary wealth, advanced
> industrial and cultural status, to achieve relative equality and proper
> acknowledgement for all people living here.
> The racist and greedy capitalist political right has successfully
> misconstrued the nature of real problems related to indigenous
> Australian as was clearly seen in the rejected Voice referendum.
>

I agree, but the tone of the message, the way it is conveyed, it is as
if I share responsibility. I need to engage in reconcilation?

No. I don't think it is right to invite people to the country, THEN
tell them "oh yeah, the land is stolen, we need to make up for it.".

Well, if sovreignty was never ceded, if that is what you are telling
me, and I AM told this at work, officially(!), why do you, as a White
"colonist" continue to invite others to use this land? Are the
indegenous OK with immigration into Australia? If they are, then what
is the problem here?

Australians want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to
share the country with the world, while simultaneously trying to
reconcile the fact they "stole" the land. If it was indeed stolen,
what right do we have to give it to others? If we've gotten past it,
and now we do rightfully have land, then MOVE ON and stop dwelling on
it.

Could you imagine me muscling in on your house, then inviting others
to rent a room, and tell them the room is stolen, while trying
simultaneously to bring in more flatmates for my profit?


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