Why did they increase it to 7 seats per region? That is ensuring more
cross-benchers, I doubt we will see a majority government.
Could they not change it to 7 regions of 5 members? Were they afraid of
gerrymander accusations?

Ozix

> Why did they increase it to 7 seats per region? That is ensuring more
> cross-benchers, I doubt we will see a majority government.
> Could they not change it to 7 regions of 5 members? Were they afraid of
> gerrymander accusations?

What is wrong with more cross-benchers? The political duopoly is a huge
curse on Australian politics. The more diverse are the voices in the
Parliament the more likely to get better democratic outcomes, don't you
think?

--
Ördög
The on duty Newsgroup Devil

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 09:22:56 +1100, Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz>
wrote:

>Ozix
>
>> Why did they increase it to 7 seats per region? That is ensuring more
>> cross-benchers, I doubt we will see a majority government.
>> Could they not change it to 7 regions of 5 members? Were they afraid of
>> gerrymander accusations?
>
>What is wrong with more cross-benchers? The political duopoly is a huge
>curse on Australian politics. The more diverse are the voices in the
>Parliament the more likely to get better democratic outcomes, don't you
>think?
<
Need to go back to first past the "winning post" and "non-compulsory"
to get stronger government. Destroys "career politicians" wankers.
Most importantly swapping of preferences.
Particularly for Senate!

Putin's election was "our" usual main stream lying rubbish.
Putin stormed in with 87.28% of the vote on a 77.44% turnout.
The next highest was the Communist party delegate had 4.7% of vote.
Like it or not gives Russia strong ELECTED leader,
Joe Biden has never been elected.
A lot of what we're (officially) told is not true. "Our" government
lies to us!
--
Petzl
Ordog the Armchair communist
https://ibb.co/B2nG6Tb
As Red as a tomato and nutritious as strychnine
he is anti-system and anti-global capitalism.
That is why his No1 purpose in life is to fight
for mass immigration promoted by politicians and big business.
He attacks working class resistance with bricks and eggs
then go listen to a speech by the local MP about
how great diversity is.
He believes he is such a radical

Petz stars to feels the onset of his weekend-GoonCon3+ delirium

> Ördög
>> Ozix
>>> Why did they increase it to 7 seats per region? That is ensuring more
>>> cross-benchers, I doubt we will see a majority government.
>>> Could they not change it to 7 regions of 5 members? Were they afraid of
>>> gerrymander accusations?
>>
>> What is wrong with more cross-benchers? The political duopoly is a huge
>> curse on Australian politics. The more diverse are the voices in the
>> Parliament the more likely to get better democratic outcomes, don't you
>> think?
>
> Need to go back to first past the "winning post" and "non-compulsory"
> to get stronger government. Destroys "career politicians" wankers.
> Most importantly swapping of preferences.
> Particularly for Senate!

LOL! The typical Petz "off with the fairies" politically illiterate
commentary. :-P

Your suggestion, Petz dear would bring to OZ the very same shit-show
which we were already quite familiar with both from the US and UK.
Clearly this would be absolutely detrimental to any form of well
functioning democracy. Just look at the clear political chaos in those
two countries.
>
> Putin's election was "our" usual main stream lying rubbish.
> Putin stormed in with 87.28% of the vote on a 77.44% turnout.

Only retards like you could come to such a silly conclusion. No one in
the corporate media landscape has ever suggested that Putin's election
was democratic or legitimate.
Under the authoritarian regime of Putin elections are just a farce.

> Joe Biden has never been elected.

Well debunked MAGA/Orange-menace-Trump phantasm.

> A lot of what we're (officially) told is not true.

That is why political literacy and the ability to think critically is so
important. Unfortunately you completely lack both of these abilities.
Although, you keep whinging about "fake news" and political lies all the
time, yet you willingly let yourself be completely misled by the
manufactured rubbish Murdoch feeds to the brain dead punters of your ilk.

> "Our" government lies to us!

Not all the time! Specially not under Labor when the far-right leaning
corporate media apparatus would put under a microscope every single
misstep any government politician might make.

Under the the current political system all governments lie from time to
time and hide behind the 'national security interests" labelled secrecy.

High time to change this political system, eh Petz dear? But, of course,
we should not change it into you preferred neo-fascist theocracy, which
would end all traces of political transparency with an immediate effect.

Note:
Your idiot sig was flashed w/o reading as per usual.

--
Ördög
The on duty Newsgroup Devil

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz> wrote
>> Ozix wrote

>>> Why did they increase it to 7 seats per region? That is ensuring more
>>> cross-benchers, I doubt we will see a majority government.
>>> Could they not change it to 7 regions of 5 members? Were they afraid of
>>> gerrymander accusations?

>> What is wrong with more cross-benchers? The political duopoly is a huge
>> curse on Australian politics. The more diverse are the voices in the
>> Parliament the more likely to get better democratic outcomes, don't you
>> think?

Fantasy. You actually get a mindless shit show where nothing
gets done and where the govt changes at the drop of a hat.

> Need to go back to first past the "winning post"and "non-compulsory" to
> get stronger government.

No evidence that non compulsory voting does that.

> Destroys "career politicians" wankers.

Fantasy with pomland alone.

> Most importantly swapping of preferences.
> Particularly for Senate!

That's not govt, stupid.

> Putin's election was "our" usual main stream lying rubbish.

Completely off with the fucking fairys, as always.

> Putin stormed in with 87.28% of the vote on a 77.44% turnout.

They don't have non compulsory voting and he only got
that result by quite literally having any alternatives killed.

> The next highest was the Communist party delegate had 4.7% of vote.
> Like it or not gives Russia strong ELECTED leader,

Fantasy on the elected.

> Joe Biden has never been elected.

Repeating that stupid lie changes nothing.

> A lot of what we're (officially) told is not true.
< "Our" government lies to us!

And you lot lie about the election Biden won.

On Sat, 23 Mar 2024 11:13:04 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz> wrote
>>> Ozix wrote
>
>>>> Why did they increase it to 7 seats per region? That is ensuring more
>>>> cross-benchers, I doubt we will see a majority government.
>>>> Could they not change it to 7 regions of 5 members? Were they afraid of
>>>> gerrymander accusations?
>
>>> What is wrong with more cross-benchers? The political duopoly is a huge
>>> curse on Australian politics. The more diverse are the voices in the
>>> Parliament the more likely to get better democratic outcomes, don't you
>>> think?
>
>Fantasy. You actually get a mindless shit show where nothing
>gets done and where the govt changes at the drop of a hat.
>
You don't vote why you care?
Facts are the Duopoly only now rules by doing deals with others party
candidates, making government weak.
The strongest "governments" are dictators. duopoly's tend to keep
dictatorships under control along with a ruling monarchy
>
>> Need to go back to first past the "winning post"and "non-compulsory" to
>> get stronger government.
>
>No evidence that non compulsory voting does that.
>
Only reality of how Australia grew under them.
And folds under "preference voting"
>
>> Destroys "career politicians" wankers.
>
>Fantasy with pomland alone.
>
Britain has lost it Empire under the new pomland politicians.
Time to wake up King Charley
>
>> Most importantly swapping of preferences.
>> Particularly for Senate!
>
>That's not govt, stupid.
>
>> Putin's election was "our" usual main stream lying rubbish.
>
>Completely off with the fucking fairys, as always.
>
nope realiiy
Volodymyr Zelenskyy is now a unelected dictator,
Yet he was origanally voted in under a promise of peace!
>
>> Putin stormed in with 87.28% of the vote on a 77.44% turnout.
>
>They don't have non compulsory voting and he only got
>that result by quite literally having any alternatives killed.
>
>> The next highest was the Communist party delegate had 4.7% of vote.
>> Like it or not gives Russia strong ELECTED leader,
>
>Fantasy on the elected.
>
Mainsrean meadi includinfg Australia not reporting facts of widespread
election fraud in USA
>
>> Joe Biden has never been elected.
>
>Repeating that stupid lie changes nothing.
>
Mainsrean meadi includinfg Australia not reporting facts of widespread
election fraud in USA
>
>> A lot of what we're (officially) told is not true.
>< "Our" government lies to us!
>
>And you lot lie about the election Biden won.
>
Not according to facts coming out all the time.
Mainsrean meadi includinfg Australia not reporting facts of widespread
election fraud in USA
>
--
Petzl
According to Dave Hodges' sources ...and he has excellent
sources...the real election results were: Trump: 103 million votes
Dementia Joe: 37 million votes Trump won 49 States, the dementia
patient won New York. The voting machines were so overwhelmed by the
number of votes for Trump, that's why they had to shut everything down
for several hours. Machines were programmed to switch votes but didn't
anticipate so MANY votes. Confirmed by @RealMikeLindell documentary,
'Absolute Truth' Pass it on.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz> wrote
>>>> Ozix wrote

>>>>> Why did they increase it to 7 seats per region? That is ensuring more
>>>>> cross-benchers, I doubt we will see a majority government.
>>>>> Could they not change it to 7 regions of 5 members? Were they afraid
>>>>> of gerrymander accusations?
>>
>>>> What is wrong with more cross-benchers? The political duopoly is a
>>>> huge
>>>> curse on Australian politics. The more diverse are the voices in the
>>>> Parliament the more likely to get better democratic outcomes, don't
>>>> you
>>>> think?
>>
>> Fantasy. You actually get a mindless shit show where nothing
>> gets done and where the govt changes at the drop of a hat.

> You don't vote why you care?

I care about the result, just realise that however I personally
vote will never make any difference what so ever.

> Facts are the Duopoly only now rules by doing dealswith others party
> candidates,

That's only true when the numbers are close with lots
of 'independants' and micro 'partys' like One Notion.

> making government weak.

Its the 'independants' and micro 'partys'
like One Notion that do that.

> The strongest "governments" are dictators.

That's not a govt that's a dictator.
We have different words for a reason.

> duopoly's tend to keep dictatorships under control

There is never a dictator in the first world.

> along with a ruling monarchy

No monarchy ever rules anything anymore.

They are all useless parasites now.

>>> Need to go back to first past the "winning post"
>>> and "non-compulsory" to get stronger government.

>> No evidence that non compulsory voting does that.

> Only reality of how Australia grew under them.

Nothing to do with compulsory voting.

> And folds under "preference voting"

Fantasy with preferential voting.

>>> Destroys "career politicians" wankers.

>> Fantasy with pomland alone.

> Britain has lost it Empire under the new pomland politicians.

Britain lost the empire because the colonys had
noticed that it was possible kick the poms out and
had noticed that they poms could no longer afford
to pay for the jackboot to keep them under the thumb.

The only time pollys had any say on that was
when Labour chose to pull the plug on India.

> Time to wake up King Charley

Big Ears will be dead soon.

>>> Most importantly swapping of preferences.
>>> Particularly for Senate!
>>
>> That's not govt, stupid.
>>
>>> Putin's election was "our" usual main stream lying rubbish.
>>
>> Completely off with the fucking fairys, as always.

> nope realiiy
> Volodymyr Zelenskyy is now a unelected dictator,

Another pig ignorant lie. He was elected in a landslide.

> Yet he was origanally voted in under a promise of peace!

Internal peace. He could never promise that Putin would not invade.

>>> Putin stormed in with 87.28% of the vote on a 77.44% turnout.

>> They don't have non compulsory voting and he only got
>> that result by quite literally having any alternatives killed.

>>> The next highest was the Communist party delegate had 4.7% of vote.
>>> Like it or not gives Russia strong ELECTED leader,

>> Fantasy on the elected.

> Mainsrean meadi includinfg Australia not reportingfacts of widespread
> election fraud in USA

And you clowns have never been able to convince
EVEN A SINGLE JUDGE, EVEN ONE APPOINTED
BY TRUMP that that is how Biden got elected.

Or even the stacked supremes either.

>>> Joe Biden has never been elected.

>> Repeating that stupid lie changes nothing.

>>> A lot of what we're (officially) told is not true.
>> < "Our" government lies to us!
>>
>> And you lot lie about the election Biden won.

> Not according to facts coming out all the time.

How odd that you clowns have never been able
to convince EVEN A SINGLE JUDGE, EVEN ONE
APPOINTED BY TRUMP that that is how Biden got elected.

Or even the stacked supremes either.

Rod Speed wrote on 23/3/24 2:40 pm:
> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz> wrote
>>>>> Ozix wrote
>
>>>>>> Why did they increase it to 7 seats per region? That is
>>>>>> ensuring more cross-benchers, I doubt we will see a
>>>>>> majority government. Could they not change it to 7 regions
>>>>>> of 5 members? Were they afraid of gerrymander
>>>>>> accusations?
>>>
>>>>> What is wrong with more cross-benchers? The political duopoly
>>>>> is a huge curse on Australian politics. The more diverse are
>>>>> the voices in the Parliament the more likely to get better
>>>>> democratic outcomes, don't you think?
>>>
>>> Fantasy. You actually get a mindless shit show where nothing gets
>>> done and where the govt changes at the drop of a hat.
>
>> You don't vote why you care?
>
> I care about the result, just realise that however I personally vote
> will never make any difference what so ever.

Gee! How well off we'd all be if EVERY ELIGIBLE VOTER had that sort of
an attitude!!
--
Daniel

Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz> wrote
>>>>>> Ozix wrote
>>
>>>>>>> Why did they increase it to 7 seats per region? That is
>>>>>>> ensuring more cross-benchers, I doubt we will see a
>>>>>>> majority government. Could they not change it to 7 regions
>>>>>>> of 5 members? Were they afraid of gerrymander
>>>>>>> accusations?
>>>>
>>>>>> What is wrong with more cross-benchers? The political duopoly
>>>>>> is a huge curse on Australian politics. The more diverse are
>>>>>> the voices in the Parliament the more likely to get better
>>>>>> democratic outcomes, don't you think?
>>>> Fantasy. You actually get a mindless shit show where nothing gets
>>>> done and where the govt changes at the drop of a hat.

>>> You don't vote why you care?

>> I care about the result, just realise that however I personally vote
>> will never make any difference what so ever.

> Gee! How well off we'd all be if EVERY ELIGIBLE VOTER had that sort of
> an attitude!!

The vast bulk of them are too stupid to work out how
to avoid voting and avoid paying a fine for not voting.

On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 02:44:56 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz> wrote
>>>>>>> Ozix wrote
>>>
>>>>>>>> Why did they increase it to 7 seats per region? That is
>>>>>>>> ensuring more cross-benchers, I doubt we will see a
>>>>>>>> majority government. Could they not change it to 7 regions
>>>>>>>> of 5 members? Were they afraid of gerrymander
>>>>>>>> accusations?
>>>>>
>>>>>>> What is wrong with more cross-benchers? The political duopoly
>>>>>>> is a huge curse on Australian politics. The more diverse are
>>>>>>> the voices in the Parliament the more likely to get better
>>>>>>> democratic outcomes, don't you think?
>>>>> Fantasy. You actually get a mindless shit show where nothing gets
>>>>> done and where the govt changes at the drop of a hat.
>
>>>> You don't vote why you care?
>
>>> I care about the result, just realise that however I personally vote
>>> will never make any difference what so ever.
>
>> Gee! How well off we'd all be if EVERY ELIGIBLE VOTER had that sort of
>> an attitude!!
>
>The vast bulk of them are too stupid to work out how
>to avoid voting and avoid paying a fine for not voting.
>
Well as I have said voting should not be compulsory ever,
This would "true the vote"

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote
>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz> wrote
>>>>>>>> Ozix wrote
>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why did they increase it to 7 seats per region? That is
>>>>>>>>> ensuring more cross-benchers, I doubt we will see a
>>>>>>>>> majority government. Could they not change it to 7 regions
>>>>>>>>> of 5 members? Were they afraid of gerrymander
>>>>>>>>> accusations?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What is wrong with more cross-benchers? The political duopoly
>>>>>>>> is a huge curse on Australian politics. The more diverse are
>>>>>>>> the voices in the Parliament the more likely to get better
>>>>>>>> democratic outcomes, don't you think?
>>>>>> Fantasy. You actually get a mindless shit show where nothing gets
>>>>>> done and where the govt changes at the drop of a hat.
>>
>>>>> You don't vote why you care?

>>>> I care about the result, just realise that however I personallyvote
>>>> will never make any difference what so ever.

>>> Gee! How well off we'd all be if EVERY ELIGIBLE VOTER had that sort of
>>> an attitude!!

>> The vast bulk of them are too stupid to work out how
>> to avoid voting and avoid paying a fine for not voting.

> Well as I have said voting should not be compulsory ever,
> This would "true the vote"

Try the last sentence in english.

Even google translate doesnt do gobbledegook yet.

On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 07:25:23 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Ozix wrote
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Why did they increase it to 7 seats per region? That is
>>>>>>>>>> ensuring more cross-benchers, I doubt we will see a
>>>>>>>>>> majority government. Could they not change it to 7 regions
>>>>>>>>>> of 5 members? Were they afraid of gerrymander
>>>>>>>>>> accusations?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> What is wrong with more cross-benchers? The political duopoly
>>>>>>>>> is a huge curse on Australian politics. The more diverse are
>>>>>>>>> the voices in the Parliament the more likely to get better
>>>>>>>>> democratic outcomes, don't you think?
>>>>>>> Fantasy. You actually get a mindless shit show where nothing gets
>>>>>>> done and where the govt changes at the drop of a hat.
>>>
>>>>>> You don't vote why you care?
>
>>>>> I care about the result, just realise that however I personallyvote
>>>>> will never make any difference what so ever.
>
>>>> Gee! How well off we'd all be if EVERY ELIGIBLE VOTER had that sort of
>>>> an attitude!!
>
>>> The vast bulk of them are too stupid to work out how
>>> to avoid voting and avoid paying a fine for not voting.
>
>> Well as I have said voting should not be compulsory ever,
>> This would "true the vote"
>
>Try the last sentence in english.
>
>Even google translate doesnt do gobbledegook yet.
>
You like being thick though Rod! Particularly when you know one has a
point!
>
We have undeserving unelected Governments installed because of
preference cheating.
https://t.ly/gfRfK
Last Election in some areas informal votes exceed 20%.
But you can't select your preferences to go to "Informal" as a option
if you check 1 above the line instead of allowing that box to use your
vote otherwise!
With Labor getting only 32.1 per cent of primary vote and installed as
a unelected Government, not representing, out of touch with the
community
"Coalition" getting 35.4 per cent of primary vote.
The only reason "Labor" stole government was because of stealing
preferences by doing deals with other parties notably the "Greens" as
well as other candidates.
Labor under two-party "preferred" lead of 52.5 per cent.
Basically stole 20.4 per cent of from voters who did not vote for
them!
Such low voting rates giving a party Government was what "preference"
voting was supposed to eliminate. Career Politicians have turned this
into a scam!
Australia was better served by no compulsory voting, forcing people
who don't care to vote means they just tick one in the box above the
line then go to the pub probably.
Pretences are for sale by deals with the politically non-aligned with
party ideals, ending up with Labor not being Labor, Coalition not
being Coalition in their Party ideals.
--
Petzl
If in doubt kick them out!
Politician's are nothing more than a con game in insincerity!

Charlatanism is a necessary price of political freedom and if
a self-proclaimed politician, persuades others to believe in
a party which propounds, lack of sincerity or integrity on
the parties part, but is not incompatible with the parties
character or their beliefs, practices and observances and
being accepted by their voters, why not?

ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote
>>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>>>>>> Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz> wrote
>>>>>>>>>> Ozix wrote
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why did they increase it to 7 seats per region? That is
>>>>>>>>>>> ensuring more cross-benchers, I doubt we will see a
>>>>>>>>>>> majority government. Could they not change it to 7 regions
>>>>>>>>>>> of 5 members? Were they afraid of gerrymander
>>>>>>>>>>> accusations?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What is wrong with more cross-benchers? The political duopoly
>>>>>>>>>> is a huge curse on Australian politics. The more diverse are
>>>>>>>>>> the voices in the Parliament the more likely to get better
>>>>>>>>>> democratic outcomes, don't you think?
>>>>>>>> Fantasy. You actually get a mindless shit show where nothing gets
>>>>>>>> done and where the govt changes at the drop of a hat.
>>>>
>>>>>>> You don't vote why you care?
>>
>>>>>> I care about the result, just realise that however I personallyvote
>>>>>> will never make any difference what so ever.
>>
>>>>> Gee! How well off we'd all be if EVERY ELIGIBLE VOTER had that sort
>>>>> of
>>>>> an attitude!!
>>
>>>> The vast bulk of them are too stupid to work out how
>>>> to avoid voting and avoid paying a fine for not voting.
>>
>>> Well as I have said voting should not be compulsory ever,
>>> This would "true the vote"
>>
>> Try the last sentence in english.
>>
>> Even google translate doesnt do gobbledegook yet.

> We have undeserving unelected Governments

Completely off with the fucking fairys as always with the unelected stupid
lie.

> installed because of preference cheating.

Preferences only affect the senate, not the govt, stupid.

> https://t.ly/gfRfK

Just because some fool claims something...

> Last Election in some areas informal votes exceed 20%.

There were in fact sweet fuck all of those and
that was because of compulsory voting, stupid.

> But you can't select your preferences to go to "Informal" as a option
> if you check 1 above the line instead of allowing that box to use your
> vote otherwise!

That's not what determines the govt, stupid.

> With Labor getting only 32.1 per cent of primaryvote and installed as
> a unelected Government,

Completely off with the fucking fairys as always with the unelected stupid
lie.

> not representing, out of touch with the community

> "Coalition" getting 35.4 per cent of primary vote.

Irrelevant to who won the election, fool.

> The only reason "Labor" stole government

Completely off with the fucking fairys as always with the unelected stupid
lie.

> was because of stealing preferences bydoing deals with other parties
> notably the"Greens" as well as other candidates.

Labor never did a prefence deal with the greens, liar.

> Labor under two-party "preferred" lead of 52.5 per cent.
> Basically stole 20.4 per cent of from voters who did not vote for
> them!

Completely off with the fucking fairys as always with the unelected stupid
lie.

> Such low voting rates giving a party Government waswhat "preference"
> voting was supposed to eliminate.

Bullshit. That was never what the preferential system was about.

> Career Politicians have turned this into a scam!

Completely off with the fucking fairys as always with that stupid lie.

> Australia was better served by no compulsory voting, forcing people
> who don't care to vote means they just tick one in the box above the
> line then go to the pub probably.

No one is forced to do anything of the sort.

The voters who don't want to vote are free to do an informal vote.

> Pretences are for sale by deals with the politically non-aligned with
> party ideals, ending up with Labor not being Labor, Coalition not
> being Coalition in their Party ideals.

Preferences are not what determines who gets to be the govt.

Alzheimer Rod shares his secret:

> The vast bulk of them are too stupid to work out how
> to avoid voting and avoid paying a fine for not voting.

Alzheimer Rod has found the perfect way avoiding voting and any possible
related fines:

Being locked up in a closely monitored psychiatric palliative care
facility for terminal dementia and violent psychotic episodes is a
perfect excuse, eh old fart Rod?

:-P :-P :-P

--
Ördög
The on duty Newsgroup Devil

On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 09:55:34 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>> was because of stealing preferences bydoing deals with other parties
>> notably the"Greens" as well as other candidates.
>
>Labor never did a prefence deal with the greens, liar.
>
Not according to the AEC in NSW
https://ibb.co/QDyScsW
--
Petzl
"Our" Media and Major parties are run by lobbyists

Lobbyists write the laws, parliament sells the laws,
paid lucrative commissions for passing their laws.
That’s the modern legislative business of parliament.

When we talk about paying-off politicians in third-world
countries we call it bribery.
However, when we undertake the same process in parliament.
we call it lobbying.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>> was because of stealing preferences by doing deals with other parties
>>> notably the"Greens" as well as other candidates.

>> Labor never did a prefence deal with the greens, liar.

> Not according to the AEC in NSW
> https://ibb.co/QDyScsW

That's not a DEAL, that's how the voters chose to vote, stupid.

Rod Speed wrote on 24/3/24 9:55 am:
> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

<Snip>

>> Such low voting rates giving a party Government was what
>> "preference" voting was supposed to eliminate.
>
> Bullshit. That was never what the preferential system was about.
>
>> Career Politicians have turned this into a scam!
>
> Completely off with the fucking fairys as always with that stupid
> lie.
>
>> Australia was better served by no compulsory voting,

When did Australia EVER have non-compulsory voting, Petzl??

>> forcing people who don't care to vote means they just tick one in
>> the box above the line then go to the pub probably.
>
> No one is forced to do anything of the sort.
>
> The voters who don't want to vote are free to do an informal vote.

Correct .... as long as they get their name crossed off.
--
Daniel

Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote
> Rod Speed wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

>>> Such low voting rates giving a party Government waswhat "preference"
>>> voting was supposed to eliminate.

>> Bullshit. That was never what the preferential system was about.

>>> Career Politicians have turned this into a scam!

>> Completely off with the fucking fairys as always with that stupid lie.

>>> Australia was better served by no compulsory voting,

> When did Australia EVER have non-compulsory voting, Petzl??

1924

>>> forcing people who don't care to vote means they just tick one in
>>> the box above the line then go to the pub probably.

>> No one is forced to do anything of the sort.

>> The voters who don't want to vote are free to do an informal vote.

> Correct .... as long as they get their name crossed off.

On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 21:14:48 +1100, Daniel65
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>Rod Speed wrote on 24/3/24 9:55 am:
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>
><Snip>
>
>>> Such low voting rates giving a party Government was what
>>> "preference" voting was supposed to eliminate.
>>
>> Bullshit. That was never what the preferential system was about.
>>
>>> Career Politicians have turned this into a scam!
>>
>> Completely off with the fucking fairys as always with that stupid
>> lie.
>>
>>> Australia was better served by no compulsory voting,
>
>When did Australia EVER have non-compulsory voting, Petzl??
>
You can't google again?
https://t.ly/YB8oF
Compulsory voting
In 1924, to improve the low rates of voter turnout, amendments to the
Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918 were made. Compulsory voting was
introduced and this resulted in a dramatic increase in voter turnout
at the following election.
>
>>> forcing people who don't care to vote means they just tick one in
>>> the box above the line then go to the pub probably.
>>
>> No one is forced to do anything of the sort.
>>
>> The voters who don't want to vote are free to do an informal vote.
>
>Correct .... as long as they get their name crossed off.
>
Or put tick one in the box above the line and let that box decide all
of around 180 senate preferences.
I remember Pauline Hanson spewing the Coalition put One Nation very
last and Labor/Greens well ahead. But so says some fool Rod Speed,
this never happens?

Here's the latest vote for Joe Biden advertisement
Very much like some fool Rod Speed new "Australian" citizens.
<https://www.tiktok.com/@pmwnews/video/7348961158201707818?is_from_webapp=1>
https://t.ly/7Kf6b
Joe Biden advertisement
--
Petzl

Islam is of course synonymous with terrorism
There are more Australian Muslims fighting with al Qaeda linked
groups than there are in the Australian Defence Force fighting against them!
..
Major majority of the worlds refugees are created by Islam since the
days of Mohammad. Mainly because Islam is actually a violent political
process, not a religion at all.
Islamic conquests have always been by infiltration (Trojan Horse:
Al-Hijra, The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration). This is how Islam
grows, a violent political process using , terrorist attack from
within, eventually followed by surprise attack, followed by killing
for killings sake.
Once Moslems have foothold maintaining rule is held by continued
carnage and ruthlessness.
Until it's recognized Islam is the problem nothing will change!
How Islam began and still violently grows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERou_Q5l9Gw

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 04:27:12 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>> Such low voting rates giving a party Government waswhat "preference"
>>>> voting was supposed to eliminate.
>
>>> Bullshit. That was never what the preferential system was about.
>
>>>> Career Politicians have turned this into a scam!
>
>>> Completely off with the fucking fairys as always with that stupid lie.
>
>>>> Australia was better served by no compulsory voting,
>
>> When did Australia EVER have non-compulsory voting, Petzl??
>
>1924
>
The worst change was in 1902 when women were allowed to vote
>
--
Petzl
If in doubt kick them out!
Politician's are nothing more than a con game in insincerity!

Charlatanism is a necessary price of political freedom and if
a self-proclaimed politician, persuades others to believe in
a party which propounds, lack of sincerity or integrity on
the parties part, but is not incompatible with the parties
character or their beliefs, practices and observances and
being accepted by their voters, why not?

ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 05:11:59 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 21:14:48 +1100, Daniel65
> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> Rod Speed wrote on 24/3/24 9:55 am:
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>> <Snip>
>>
>>>> Such low voting rates giving a party Government was what
>>>> "preference" voting was supposed to eliminate.
>>>
>>> Bullshit. That was never what the preferential system was about.
>>>
>>>> Career Politicians have turned this into a scam!
>>>
>>> Completely off with the fucking fairys as always with that stupid
>>> lie.
>>>
>>>> Australia was better served by no compulsory voting,
>>
>> When did Australia EVER have non-compulsory voting, Petzl??
>>
> You can't google again?
> https://t.ly/YB8oF
> Compulsory voting
> In 1924, to improve the low rates of voter turnout, amendments to the
> Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918 were made. Compulsory voting was
> introduced and this resulted in a dramatic increase in voter turnout
> at the following election.
>>
>>>> forcing people who don't care to vote means they just tick one in
>>>> the box above the line then go to the pub probably.
>>>
>>> No one is forced to do anything of the sort.
>>>
>>> The voters who don't want to vote are free to do an informal vote.
>>
>> Correct .... as long as they get their name crossed off.
>>
> Or put tick one in the box above the line and let that box decide all
> of around 180 senate preferences.
> I remember Pauline Hanson spewing the Coalition put One Nation very
> last and Labor/Greens well ahead. But so says some fool Rod Speed,
> this never happens?

Never said that you silly little pathological liar.

I ACTUALLY said that senate preferences never
determine which of the two majors FORMS GOVT.

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 05:25:09 +1100, Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 05:11:59 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 21:14:48 +1100, Daniel65
>> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Rod Speed wrote on 24/3/24 9:55 am:
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>> <Snip>
>>>
>>>>> Such low voting rates giving a party Government was what
>>>>> "preference" voting was supposed to eliminate.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. That was never what the preferential system was about.
>>>>
>>>>> Career Politicians have turned this into a scam!
>>>>
>>>> Completely off with the fucking fairys as always with that stupid
>>>> lie.
>>>>
>>>>> Australia was better served by no compulsory voting,
>>>
>>> When did Australia EVER have non-compulsory voting, Petzl??
>>>
>> You can't google again?
>> https://t.ly/YB8oF
>> Compulsory voting
>> In 1924, to improve the low rates of voter turnout, amendments to the
>> Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918 were made. Compulsory voting was
>> introduced and this resulted in a dramatic increase in voter turnout
>> at the following election.
>>>
>>>>> forcing people who don't care to vote means they just tick one in
>>>>> the box above the line then go to the pub probably.
>>>>
>>>> No one is forced to do anything of the sort.
>>>>
>>>> The voters who don't want to vote are free to do an informal vote.
>>>
>>> Correct .... as long as they get their name crossed off.
>>>
>> Or put tick one in the box above the line and let that box decide all
>> of around 180 senate preferences.
>> I remember Pauline Hanson spewing the Coalition put One Nation very
>> last and Labor/Greens well ahead. But so says some fool Rod Speed,
>> this never happens?
>
> Never said that you silly little pathological liar.
>
> I ACTUALLY said that senate preferences never
> determine which of the two majors FORMS GOVT.

And that's not a DEAL either. They did that to shaft Hanson
because they had kicked her out of their party, liar.

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 05:25:09 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 05:11:59 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 21:14:48 +1100, Daniel65
>> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Rod Speed wrote on 24/3/24 9:55 am:
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>> <Snip>
>>>
>>>>> Such low voting rates giving a party Government was what
>>>>> "preference" voting was supposed to eliminate.
>>>>
>>>> Bullshit. That was never what the preferential system was about.
>>>>
>>>>> Career Politicians have turned this into a scam!
>>>>
>>>> Completely off with the fucking fairys as always with that stupid
>>>> lie.
>>>>
>>>>> Australia was better served by no compulsory voting,
>>>
>>> When did Australia EVER have non-compulsory voting, Petzl??
>>>
>> You can't google again?
>> https://t.ly/YB8oF
>> Compulsory voting
>> In 1924, to improve the low rates of voter turnout, amendments to the
>> Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918 were made. Compulsory voting was
>> introduced and this resulted in a dramatic increase in voter turnout
>> at the following election.
>>>
>>>>> forcing people who don't care to vote means they just tick one in
>>>>> the box above the line then go to the pub probably.
>>>>
>>>> No one is forced to do anything of the sort.
>>>>
>>>> The voters who don't want to vote are free to do an informal vote.
>>>
>>> Correct .... as long as they get their name crossed off.
>>>
>> Or put tick one in the box above the line and let that box decide all
>> of around 180 senate preferences.
>> I remember Pauline Hanson spewing the Coalition put One Nation very
>> last and Labor/Greens well ahead. But so says some fool Rod Speed,
>> this never happens?
>
>Never said that you silly little pathological liar.
>
>I ACTUALLY said that senate preferences never
>determine which of the two majors FORMS GOVT.
>
Before that I implied that the preference deals actually add to the
Duopoly tototal. I also remember the Coalition putting the Greens last
in the 2010 election removed the green's from "House of
Representatives" causing Labor to lose and Tony Abbott to scrape in.
<https://www.britannica.com/topic/2010-1701953>
https://t.ly/3LLvv
--
Petzl
If in doubt kick them out!
Politician's are nothing more than a con game in insincerity!

Charlatanism is a necessary price of political freedom and if
a self-proclaimed politician, persuades others to believe in
a party which propounds, lack of sincerity or integrity on
the parties part, but is not incompatible with the parties
character or their beliefs, practices and observances and
being accepted by their voters, why not?

ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens"
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 05:37:09 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>>>>>> forcing people who don't care to vote means they just tick one in
>>>>>> the box above the line then go to the pub probably.
>>>>>
>>>>> No one is forced to do anything of the sort.
>>>>>
>>>>> The voters who don't want to vote are free to do an informal vote.
>>>>
>>>> Correct .... as long as they get their name crossed off.
>>>>
>>> Or put tick one in the box above the line and let that box decide all
>>> of around 180 senate preferences.
>>> I remember Pauline Hanson spewing the Coalition put One Nation very
>>> last and Labor/Greens well ahead. But so says some fool Rod Speed,
>>> this never happens?
>>
>> Never said that you silly little pathological liar.
>>
>> I ACTUALLY said that senate preferences never
>> determine which of the two majors FORMS GOVT.
>
>And that's not a DEAL either. They did that to shaft Hanson
>because they had kicked her out of their party, liar.
>
Says some fool Rod Speed
Before that I implied that the preference deals actually add to the
Duopoly total. I also remember the Coalition putting the Greens last
in the 2010 election removed the green's from "House of
Representatives" causing Labor to lose and Tony Abbott to scrape in.
<https://www.britannica.com/topic/2010-1701953>
https://t.ly/3LLvv
--
Petzl
"Our" Media and Major parties are run by lobbyists

Lobbyists write the laws, parliament sells the laws,
paid lucrative commissions for passing their laws.
That’s the modern legislative business of parliament.

When we talk about paying-off politicians in third-world
countries we call it bribery.
However, when we undertake the same process in parliament.
we call it lobbying.

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 06:17:58 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 05:25:09 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 05:11:59 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sun, 24 Mar 2024 21:14:48 +1100, Daniel65
>>> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rod Speed wrote on 24/3/24 9:55 am:
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>> <Snip>
>>>>
>>>>>> Such low voting rates giving a party Government was what
>>>>>> "preference" voting was supposed to eliminate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bullshit. That was never what the preferential system was about.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Career Politicians have turned this into a scam!
>>>>>
>>>>> Completely off with the fucking fairys as always with that stupid
>>>>> lie.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Australia was better served by no compulsory voting,
>>>>
>>>> When did Australia EVER have non-compulsory voting, Petzl??
>>>>
>>> You can't google again?
>>> https://t.ly/YB8oF
>>> Compulsory voting
>>> In 1924, to improve the low rates of voter turnout, amendments to the
>>> Commonwealth Electoral Act 1918 were made. Compulsory voting was
>>> introduced and this resulted in a dramatic increase in voter turnout
>>> at the following election.
>>>>
>>>>>> forcing people who don't care to vote means they just tick one in
>>>>>> the box above the line then go to the pub probably.
>>>>>
>>>>> No one is forced to do anything of the sort.
>>>>>
>>>>> The voters who don't want to vote are free to do an informal vote.
>>>>
>>>> Correct .... as long as they get their name crossed off.
>>>>
>>> Or put tick one in the box above the line and let that box decide all
>>> of around 180 senate preferences.
>>> I remember Pauline Hanson spewing the Coalition put One Nation very
>>> last and Labor/Greens well ahead. But so says some fool Rod Speed,
>>> this never happens?
>>
>> Never said that you silly little pathological liar.
>>
>> I ACTUALLY said that senate preferences never
>> determine which of the two majors FORMS GOVT.

> Before that I implied that the preferencedeals actually add to the
> Duopoly tototal.

There is no preference deal by the two majors.

In fact sometimes a preference deal by some
of the micropartys can get someone a seat in
the Senate with a tiny number of primary seats,
like that fella who used to work in the timber
industry and that REDUCES the seats that
the two major partys have IN THE SENATE
and that still has nothing to do with which
of the two majors forms govt.

> I also remember the Coalition putting the Greenslast in the 2010
> election removed the green's from"House of Representatives"

That wasnt the reason the Greens got no
HoR seat and that was still not a DEAL

> causing Labor to lose

Nothing to do with preferences.

> and Tony Abbott to scrape in.

He did a lot better than scrape in.

> <https://www.britannica.com/topic/2010-1701953>
> https://t.ly/3LLvv