On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 17:29:48 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 11:35:37 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>As long as a Student wants to learn, not be disruptive in class I'm
>>>sure it would be no trouble;
>>>That seems to be the problem with state run schools, just one
>>>disruptive student stops the whole learning, Teachers are not allowed
>>>to respond!
>>
>>Not like the old days. I was in Year10 when a disruptive student was
>>punched around the room, bitch slapped and then thrown out (literally)
>>into the hallway. The teacher was ex-army, and possibly a bit shell
>>shocked.
>>No more trouble from the brat though.
>>
>That was normal in my day,
>Zero tolerance.

A few teaches could stare down a troublemaker, others would hurl
objects, and loquacious ones would engage in withering conversation
with/to the miscreant. To this latter's regret.

But a good punch up worked best.

Ozix

/Autosnip all obnoxious and waste of space and good oxygen lowlife
scumbag troll inputs/

>
> There was an incident in 2021 at a formal event involving private
> schools. Some boys from protestant private schools were groping girls
> and boys from an elite Catholic school intervened to protect the girls.
> So I would say the Cathos had better morality and ethtics.

Let us NOT pretend that religion has anything to do with objective
ethics and proper public behaviour.
Sexually assault (groping unwilling girls amounts to that) should always
be unacceptable completely independent of any belief in the supernatural.

Now as to morality, which is a very subjective religion based construct,
I only have to say...read the bloody Bible to understand why religious
morality sucks. Basically based on the Bible anything goes if you are male!

As far as I am concerned, some spoiled private school brats take the
meaning of born to rule upper class paternalistic privilege to the point
where they think they can do anything with anyone w/o consequences. And
what is worse these are the eloquent members of our future business and
political elite. Just think of Mad Monk Abbott for a moment!
What a fucking disaster.

--
Ördög
The on duty Newsgroup Devil

Ördög

> Ozix
> /Autosnip all obnoxious and waste of space and good oxygen lowlife
> scumbag troll inputs/
>
>> There was an incident in 2021 at a formal event involving private
>> schools. Some boys from protestant private schools were groping girls
>> and boys from an elite Catholic school intervened to protect the
>> girls. So I would say the Cathos had better morality and ethtics.
>
> Let us NOT pretend that religion has anything to do with objective
> ethics and proper public behaviour.
> Sexually assault (groping unwilling girls amounts to that) should always
> be unacceptable completely independent of any belief in the supernatural.
> Now as to morality, which is a very subjective religion based construct,
> I only have to say...read the bloody Bible to understand why religious
> morality sucks. Basically based on the Bible anything goes if you are male!
>
> As far as I am concerned, some spoiled private school brats take the
> meaning of born to rule upper class paternalistic privilege to the point
> where they think they can do anything with anyone w/o consequences. And
> what is worse these are the eloquent members of our future business and
> political elite. Just think of Mad Monk Abbott for a moment!
> What a fucking disaster.
>
For more on this subject watch this:

*Teachers blackmailed and bullied at one of Australia’s most exclusive
boys’ schools | Four Corners*
/ABC News In-depth, 1.48M subscribers, 104,710 views 4 Mar 2024/
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMCVUD6e-P0>

"Amid the push for private boys’ schools in Australia to go
co-educational, Four Corners investigates if these institutions are safe
places for girls. 

Sydney’s elite Cranbrook School – where captains of industry and
billionaires have studied or send their own children – was repeatedly
identified in a petition about allegations of schoolboy sexual assaults. 

Now, Four Corners reporter Louise Milligan exposes new allegations,
speaking to female staff who have left the school, and investigates a
wider history. 
Cranbrook told Four Corners there has been no victimisation of women at
the school.
Full statements from Cranbrook School and Geelong Grammar School can be
found here: https://ab.co/3TlTLIE

Following this Four Corners episode, Cranbrook School became aware of
allegations against a current teacher.
Nicholas Sampson - the headmaster - promoted the teacher after
discovering he sent multiple graphic emails to a former female student.
Sampson resigned after an emergency meeting was held by Cranbrook’s
school council.

Read more here: https://bit.ly/3v3QsN4"

~~~ ~~~ ~~~

Get rid of these taxpayers subsidised bastions of elitist toxic
masculinity and born to rule privilege.
Put instead public moneys into improving universal public education.

--
Ördög
The on duty Newsgroup Devil

On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:54:44 +1100, Daniel65
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>Petzl wrote on 8/3/24 7:41 am:
>> On Fri, 08 Mar 2024 07:02:37 +1100, Peter Jason <pj@jostle.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>> But you weren't involved in deciding which school in the roman
>>>> catholic system you attended. or what the different schools in
>>>> that system charged.
>>>
>>> The RC system was supposed to give very basic and cheap education,
>>> without frills and away from the WASPS. And supply a limited
>>> amount of morality & ethics. Of course in the bad old days when
>>> the Irish were brawling with the English some politics was
>>> included. The WASP schools seemed to have more activities regarding
>>> mental health and student tracking and personal counseling that the
>>> RC schools left to the parents. Never let the Village bring up
>>> your Child!
>>>
>> My local Campbelltown private Catholic School fees are not that
>> expensive IMO, I catch buses all the time their behavior are
>> explicitly polite and courteous to elderly, can't say that for local
>> public school students?
>> <https://www.goodschools.com.au/compare-schools/in-rosemeadow-2560/john-therry-catholic-high-school/fees>
>>
>>
>https://t.ly/5ATTJ
>> Year 7 $1,900 Year 8 $1,900 Year 9 $2,051 Year 10 $2,051 Year 11
>> $2,550 Year 12 $2,550
>>
>> st andrew's cathedral school Sydney Year 7 $35,584 Year 8 $37,072
>> Year 9 $38,528 Year 10 $39,713 Year 11 $38,970 Year 12 $38,751
>> **************************** Went to Centrepoint restaurant for lunch
>> window seat $105 each,
>
>WHAT?? You paid $105 for lunch or $105 for the Bus ride to Centrepoint??
>
Went by train to Museum Station. Hyde Park.
All seats are by the window, fast, air-conditioned, quiet, with Wi-Fi.
>
>Oh!! Hand on! Was this a Window seat in the Revolving Restaurant?? Gee
>Whiz, you must have saved up all your empty Beer Bottles for a while to
>afford that!!
>
My income right now does not entitle me to a pension,
My Japanese Girl friend paid, you jealous?
>
>> was packed with st andrew's cathedral school students
>
>What were they doing having lunch at Centrepoint??>
>
Lunch time School. about 5 minutes walk to restaurant, 5 minute very
high speed lift up to restaurant platform.
>>
>> (well behaved.) but made the lunch less enjoyable. Night time is much
>> better, anyhow seems the Student parents
>
>Are these all the kiddies who don't get Sex Ed or don't listen to the
>teachers??
>
Their parents believe it or not are very strict, their kiddies have to
be VERY well behaved, Their kids being friends with kids of other
movers and shakers, called networking $$$. Their children can
attribute to keeping network or getting them and parents kicked out of
it.
The Archbishop also has a very big influence about removal of
undesirables.
>
>> are not short of money, my lunch was made by mum, often canned
>> spaghetti on bread, Still like it today.
--
Petzl
Think of Christianity as Australia's immune system.
The Christian belief and fact is Moslems are deceived.
Like Schizophrenics, they need therapy;
Not confirmation of their delusions.
The recognized place of worship in a Christian Nation is a Christian Church.
Mosques are the recognized place of worship only in Moslem countries
Australia's only legally defined God is our Christian God whose compound redemptive name is Lord Jesus Christ
Something as simple as denying Moslems a place to pray is all it takes to make them leave voluntarily and peacefully.

Rod Speed wrote on 9/3/24 4:18 am:
> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote
>> Rod Speed wrote
>>> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote
>>>> Rod Speed wrote
>>>>> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote
>>>>>> Ördög wrote
>
>>>>>>> Time to ditch these taxpayers founded privet school
>>>>>>> heavens for spoiled brats of the over privileged
>>>>>>> ultra-rich antidemocratic elite.
>
>>>>>>> How can we create a unified society where everyone is
>>>>>>> working towards a better future for all if we prop up
>>>>>>> intentional elitism and social division?
>
> Wota terminal fuckwit.
>
>>>>>>> These kids are brought up to/brainwashed into hating and
>>>>>>> abusing everyone in the future lives who ain't as wealthy
>>>>>>> or privileged as they are themselves under the motto: *We
>>>>>>> were born to rule the plebs!* ~~~ ~~~ ~~~ *What's
>>>>>>> next ... helipads? | The West Report* /The West Report, 6
>>>>>>> Mar 2024/ <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_7d9K-EFCLI>
>>>>>>> Westy talks about private schools getting a good cut of
>>>>>>> the government moolah despite lavish spending and public
>>>>>>> education need
>
>>>>>> (First let me state that I have no kids (that I know about,
>>>>>> anyway!!) but I do have nieces and a nephew!)
>
>>>>> And must have gone to school at one time.
>
>>>> Yeap, 50-60 years ago .... waaaay before I needed to worry
>>>> about PAYING anything for schooling!!
>
>>> But things haven't changed significantly since then.
>
>>>>>> As I understand it, there are basically two seperate School
>>>>>> systems ... 1. The State School System, where the State
>>>>>> "basically" pays for everything, and,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2. The Catholic and Independant Schools System, where
>>>>>> the Parents, not being satisfied with the Quality of The
>>>>>> State School System CHOOSE to pay more for the (perceived)
>>>>>> 'BETTER' Quality of System so they pay the big bucks.
>
>>>>> The roman catholic system is more complicated than that.
>
>>>> Not in my experience .... Primary and Secondary!!
>
> Its much more complicated than that.
>
>>> But you weren't involved in deciding which school in the roman
>>> catholic system you attended. or what the different schools in
>>> that system charged.
>
>> And WHAT??
>
> And so you don't have a clue about the difference between some roman
> catholic schools and others.
>
>> YOU, Roddles WERE involved in selectingWHICH RC school YOU went
>> to??
>
> Never went to one, fuckwit.
>
>> Sure YOU were!!
>
> You are pathetic.
>
>>>>> There is what is called the systemic system which doesnt
>>>>> charge big bucks, $3000 in my town but they do have much
>>>>> lower fees for those who can't afford that, and the big name
>>>>> schools which charge similar fees to the big name protestant
>>>>> schools like Shore, Cambrook, Geelong Grammar etc.
>
>>>> Thirty years or so, several of the above mentioned nieces went
>>>> to an Independant High School .... at the cost of about $5,000
>>>> per year .... maybe an all inclusive price for the three nieces
>>>> that attended.
>
>>>>>> If/When The FEDERAL Government wants to contribute to the
>>>>>> costof Education, it should be "System Wide", i.e. every
>>>>>> child at a (State or Independant) Primary School gets
>>>>>> subsidised $xxx.00 from theFed Gov, every child at a
>>>>>> (State or Independant) Secondary Schoolgets subsidised
>>>>>> $yyy.00 from the Fed Gov and every child/person ata (State
>>>>>> or Independant) Tertiary School/Institution gets subsidised
>>>>>> $zzz.00 from the Fed Gov.
>
>>>>> It isnt a single figure per child.
>
>>>> One child for $hhh.00 per year, two children for $ggg.00 per
>>>> year, etc.
>
>>> That was discussing the SUBSIDY, not the fee, stupid.
>
>> OH!! Where have I mentioned the SUBSIDY,
>
> In the para just above which has >>>>> on the front of each line, you
> stupid drunken drug crazed fuckwit.

Bloody stupid "Find in Message" function!! The *ONLY* TWO times it can
find the word "SUBSIDY" in upper case OR lower case is the two
occurrences just above this post .... not in any >>>>> message, arsehole!!

Opps! Now it can find it three times .... because I've used the same
word in this response!!

>>>> Not an insurmountable problem!
>
>>>>>> If a State School then wants to spend its Bucks on an
>>>>>> In-ground/Open Air Swimming Pool, they should be entitled
>>>>>> to. Same Same for any Catholic/Independant School. Etc.,
>>>>>> Etc..--
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Daniel