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/thejuicemedia, 980K subscriber/
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~~~ ~~~

It looks like whistle blowing is not compatible with our pretend
capitalist democracy.
That is clearly a bipartisan opinion, apparently!

:-(

--
Ördög
The on duty Newsgroup Devil

On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 10:15:14 +1100, Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz>
wrote:

>*Honest Government Ad | Whistleblower Protection Laws*
>
>/thejuicemedia, 980K subscriber/
>/175,302 views 28 Feb 2024/
><https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWkGmw3xMTU>
>~~~ ~~~
>
>It looks like whistle blowing is not compatible with our pretend
>capitalist democracy.
>That is clearly a bipartisan opinion, apparently!
>
It used to be then, not now. clearly the Communists have won.
>
Flow on affect from the "Trump derangement syndrome(TDS)"
The Government is always trying to PSYOP people via Media
Latest PSYOP is
Dating back several years (2017), suspect it's a ploy to end the
submarine AUKUS deal.
Joe Hockey has said that until the spy doubt is exposed this is
likely!
Two Ex-politicians are "Former Senator Sam Dastyari" and
"Former PM Malcolm Turnbull"
Australia betrayed by MP
<https://www.facebook.com/Sunrise/videos/428296973257731>
Australia betrayed by MP
Australia’s top spy reveals a former politician has “sold out their
country” to advance the interests of a foreign regime
--
Petzl
Wind generators have a very limited life span
(about 15 years I have heard).
The entire energy used to manufacture them and dismantle them
is probably greater than the electricity
that they generated in their entire lifetime!!!
They were never an option for base-load power for industry anyway!
Still - they kept a lot people in employment
while they were flavour of the month
.........................................in China!!!

Petzl wrote on 1/3/24 11:03 am:
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 10:15:14 +1100, Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz>
> wrote:
>
>> *Honest Government Ad | Whistleblower Protection Laws*
>>
>> /thejuicemedia, 980K subscriber/
>> /175,302 views 28 Feb 2024/
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWkGmw3xMTU>
>> ~~~ ~~~
>>
>> It looks like whistle blowing is not compatible with our pretend
>> capitalist democracy.
>> That is clearly a bipartisan opinion, apparently!
>>
> It used to be then, not now. clearly the Communists have won.
>>
> Flow on affect from the "Trump derangement syndrome(TDS)"
> The Government is always trying to PSYOP people via Media
> Latest PSYOP is
> Dating back several years (2017), suspect it's a ploy to end the
> submarine AUKUS deal.

Sorry!! Was AUKUS in place in 2017?? Or were the 'negotiations' just
getting going??

> Joe Hockey has said that until the spy doubt is exposed this is
> likely!
> Two Ex-politicians are "Former Senator Sam Dastyari" and
> "Former PM Malcolm Turnbull"

Others include "Former PM John Howard", "Former Prime Minister Paul
Keating", "Former PM Scott Morrison", "Former PM Julia Gillard", "Former
PM Malcolm Turnbull", "Former PM Kevin Rudd", and "Former PM Tony
Abbott" .... and that's just the (living) PM's. Plenty of Former
Ministers and Former Federal Politicians to include, as well.

> Australia betrayed by MP
> <https://www.facebook.com/Sunrise/videos/428296973257731>
> Australia betrayed by MP
> Australia’s top spy reveals a former politician has “sold out their
> country” to advance the interests of a foreign regime
>
--
Daniel

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz> wrote

>> *Honest Government Ad | Whistleblower Protection Laws*

>> /thejuicemedia, 980K subscriber/
>> /175,302 views 28 Feb 2024/
>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWkGmw3xMTU>
>> ~~~ ~~~

>> It looks like whistle blowing is not compatiblewith our pretend
>> capitalist democracy.

>> That is clearly a bipartisan opinion, apparently!

> It used to be then, not now. clearly the Communists have won.

You wouldnt know what a communist was if it bit you on your drunken lard
arse.

> Flow on affect from the "Trump derangement syndrome(TDS)"
> The Government is always trying to PSYOP people via Media
> Latest PSYOP is
> Dating back several years (2017), suspect it's a ploy to end the
> submarine AUKUS deal.

Just another utterly silly conspiracy theory.

> Joe Hockey has said that until thespy doubt is exposed this is likely!

That stupid fucker is irrelevant.

> Two Ex-politicians are "Former Senator Sam Dastyari"and "Former PM
> Malcolm Turnbull"

There might just be a few more than those two.

> Australia betrayed by MP
> <https://www.facebook.com/Sunrise/videos/428296973257731>
> Australia betrayed by MP
> Australia’s top spy reveals a former politician has “sold out their
> country” to advance the interests of a foreign regime

Just because that shit rag claims something...

Of course it Dastaryi, stupid.

On Fri, 01 Mar 2024 21:13:30 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz> wrote
>
>>> *Honest Government Ad | Whistleblower Protection Laws*
>
>>> /thejuicemedia, 980K subscriber/
>>> /175,302 views 28 Feb 2024/
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWkGmw3xMTU>
>>> ~~~ ~~~
>
>>> It looks like whistle blowing is not compatiblewith our pretend
>>> capitalist democracy.
>
>>> That is clearly a bipartisan opinion, apparently!
>
>> It used to be then, not now. clearly the Communists have won.
>
>You wouldnt know what a communist was if it bit you on your drunken lard
>arse.
>
>> Flow on affect from the "Trump derangement syndrome(TDS)"
>> The Government is always trying to PSYOP people via Media
>> Latest PSYOP is
>> Dating back several years (2017), suspect it's a ploy to end the
>> submarine AUKUS deal.
>
>Just another utterly silly conspiracy theory.
>
Just that it is a supposed secret which has the yanks believing
Australian Federal Parliament is full of spies working with China.
Probably correct?
>
>> Joe Hockey has said that until thespy doubt is exposed this is likely!
>
>That stupid fucker is irrelevant.
>
He was Australia's Ambassador to the USA.
Most of "our" media agree that until the name is released, the
Submarine deal is off.
Much of the Labor Ministry do not want the deal off.
So this is Labors "cunning plan"!
>
>> Two Ex-politicians are "Former Senator Sam Dastyari"and "Former PM
>> Malcolm Turnbull"
>
>There might just be a few more than those two.
>
ASIO was specific it was "several" years ago
Only Two names come up, Malcolm Turnbull and most likely
"Former Senator Sam Dastyari"
>
>> Australia betrayed by MP
>> <https://www.facebook.com/Sunrise/videos/428296973257731>
>> Australia betrayed by MP
>> Australia’s top spy reveals a former politician has “sold out their
>> country” to advance the interests of a foreign regime
>
>Just because that shit rag claims something...
>
Based on what? The fact you are too cheap to buy a $5 subscription
And have never read it in years!
But yes, like all media they push a Murdoch slant!
The others offensively push Islam, anti-Christian, LBTQ+,Greens,
Labor, crap.
I prefer the Murdoch slant but adjust.
>
>Of course it Dastaryi, stupid.
>
I reckon your right.
Dates back to 2017 when a Moslem Iranian "Former Senator Sam Dastyari"
was then found spying for China and giving them Information about the
then French Submarines we intended to buy. Ended off backing away for
over $800 million. appears though that the French were taking our
money but could not on inspection after a year see anything not even a
desk?
Seems the Australian Government want to back away from $368 billion
buying and building a fleet of nuclear-powered submarines from US (A
Biden deal)
Australia was part of the "5 eyes" plot to remove Donald Trump, using
Alexander Downer.
Right now the Republicans have control of US Congress,
<https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/25/donald-trump-wants-investigation-into-australias-role-in-russian-hoax>
https://t.ly/R_SDs
Donald Trump wants investigation into Australia's role in 'Russian
hoax'
This is the first time the US president has publicly named Australia
while discussing the FBI inquiry into his election campaign.
Trump’s former campaign aide George Papadopoulos has claimed that
Australia’s former high commissioner to the UK, Alexander Downer,
spied on him during a meeting at a London bar in May 2016.
--
Petzl
To be truly fluent in English,
you must know your shits
Shits
Dogshit - Very poor quality
Bullshit - Not true
Horseshit - Nonsense
Apeshit - Rambunctious
Batshit - Insane
Chickenshit cowards
Ratshit - poor quality
No shit - Obviously
Holy shit - mind blowing/unbelievable
Hot shit - very good
Dipshit - a total dumbass
Tuff shit - Take it or leave it.
Jack shit - nothing
The shit - perfection

On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 20:01:37 +1100, Daniel65
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>Petzl wrote on 1/3/24 11:03 am:
>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 10:15:14 +1100, Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> *Honest Government Ad | Whistleblower Protection Laws*
>>>
>>> /thejuicemedia, 980K subscriber/
>>> /175,302 views 28 Feb 2024/
>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWkGmw3xMTU>
>>> ~~~ ~~~
>>>
>>> It looks like whistle blowing is not compatible with our pretend
>>> capitalist democracy.
>>> That is clearly a bipartisan opinion, apparently!
>>>
>> It used to be then, not now. clearly the Communists have won.
>>>
>> Flow on affect from the "Trump derangement syndrome(TDS)"
>> The Government is always trying to PSYOP people via Media
>> Latest PSYOP is
>> Dating back several years (2017), suspect it's a ploy to end the
>> submarine AUKUS deal.
>
>Sorry!! Was AUKUS in place in 2017?? Or were the 'negotiations' just
>getting going??
>
AUKUS was not in place in 2017.
The undisclosed spy was!
Moslem Iranian "Former Senator Sam Dastyari" was then found spying for
China and giving them Information about the then French Submarines we
intended to buy. Ended off backing away for over $800 million
compensation to France.
Appears though that the French were taking our money but could not on
inspection after a year of planning Australia could not see anything
in evidence that France was doing anything, not even a desk?
Another Turnbull "dumb deal"
>
>> Joe Hockey has said that until the spy doubt is exposed this is
>> likely!
>> Two Ex-politicians are "Former Senator Sam Dastyari" and
>> "Former PM Malcolm Turnbull"
>
>Others include "Former PM John Howard", "Former Prime Minister Paul
>Keating", "Former PM Scott Morrison", "Former PM Julia Gillard", "Former
>PM Malcolm Turnbull", "Former PM Kevin Rudd", and "Former PM Tony
>Abbott" .... and that's just the (living) PM's. Plenty of Former
>Ministers and Former Federal Politicians to include, as well.
>
>> Australia betrayed by MP
>> <https://www.facebook.com/Sunrise/videos/428296973257731>
>> Australia betrayed by MP
>> Australia’s top spy reveals a former politician has “sold out their
>> country” to advance the interests of a foreign regime
>>
--
Petzl
All governments lie about some things,
but Labor/"Green" Coalion totalitarian governments
lie about everything.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz> wrote

>>>> *Honest Government Ad | Whistleblower Protection Laws*

>>>> /thejuicemedia, 980K subscriber/
>>>> /175,302 views 28 Feb 2024/
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWkGmw3xMTU>
>>>> ~~~ ~~~

>>>> It looks like whistle blowing is not compatible
>>>> with our pretend capitalist democracy.

>>>> That is clearly a bipartisan opinion, apparently!

>>> It used to be then, not now. clearly the Communists have won.

>> You wouldnt know what a communist was if it bit you on your drunken lard
>> arse.

>>> Flow on affect from the "Trump derangement syndrome(TDS)"
>>> The Government is always trying to PSYOP people via Media
>>> Latest PSYOP is
>>> Dating back several years (2017), suspect it's a ploy to end the
>>> submarine AUKUS deal.

>> Just another utterly silly conspiracy theory.

> Just that it is a supposed secret which has the yanksbelieving
> Australian Federal Parliament is full ofspies working with China.
> Probably correct?

Nope.

>>> Joe Hockey has said that until thespy doubt is exposed this is likely!

>> That stupid fucker is irrelevant.

> He was Australia's Ambassador to the USA.

And always was completely irrelevant.

> Most of "our" media agree that until thename is released, the Submarine
> deal is off.

Just because some fuckwit journo claims something...

> Much of the Labor Ministry do not want the deal off.
> So this is Labors "cunning plan"!

Just another utterly silly conspiracy theory.

>>> Two Ex-politicians are "Former Senator Sam Dastyari"
>>> and "Former PM Malcolm Turnbull"

>> There might just be a few more than those two.

> ASIO was specific it was "several" years ago

There might just be a few more than those two who qualify.

> Only Two names come up, Malcolm Turnbull and most likely
> "Former Senator Sam Dastyari"

That's completely silly with your only two claim.

>>> Australia betrayed by MP
>>> <https://www.facebook.com/Sunrise/videos/428296973257731>
>>> Australia betrayed by MP
>>> Australia’s top spy reveals a former politician has “sold out their
>>> country” to advance the interests of a foreign regime

>> Just because that shit rag claims something...

> Based on what?

What based on what ? That its a shit rag ?

> The fact you are too cheap to buy a $5 subscription

I'm not stupid enough to subscribe to any shit rag.

> And have never read it in years!

Wrong, as always.

> But yes, like all media they push a Murdoch slant!

The ABC, SBS and BBC never do that.

> The others offensively push Islam, anti-Christian,LBTQ+,Greens, Labor,
> crap.

The ABC, SBS and BBC never do that.

> I prefer the Murdoch slant but adjust.

More fool you.

>> Of course it Dastaryi, stupid.

> I reckon your right.

Corse I am given that he has admitted ever since
he resigned that he had his hand out to China.

> Dates back to 2017 when a Moslem Iranian "Former Senator Sam Dastyari"

He was never an Iranian. His parents are Azerbaijan.

> was then found spying for China and giving them Information about the
> then French Submarines we intended to buy. Ended off backing away for
> over $800 million. appears though that the French were taking our
> money but could not on inspection after a year see anything not even a
> desk?

> Seems the Australian Government want to back away from $368 billion
> buying and building a fleet of nuclear-powered submarines from US (A
> Biden deal)

Fantasy.

> Australia was part of the "5 eyes" plot

5 eys never plot, they just share intelligence information.

> to remove Donald Trump, using Alexander Downer.

Just another utterly silly mindless conspirancy theory.

> Right now the Republicans have control of US Congress,

Bullshit they do.

> <https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/25/donald-trump-wants-investigation-into-australias-role-in-russian-hoax>
> https://t.ly/R_SDs

Just because that shit rag claims something...

> Donald Trump wants investigationinto Australia's role in 'Russian hoax'

Doesnt matter what the fucker wants.

> This is the first time the US president has publicly named Australia
> while discussing the FBI inquiry into his election campaign.

Just because that lying fucker says something...

> Trump’s former campaign aide George Papadopoulos has claimed that
> Australia’s former high commissioner to the UK, Alexander Downer,
> spied on him during a meeting at a London bar in May 2016.

Why would that fucker do anything worth spying on in a BAR ?

Completely off with the fucking fairys, as always.

Petzl wrote on 2/3/24 7:39 am:
> On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 20:01:37 +1100, Daniel65
> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>> Petzl wrote on 1/3/24 11:03 am:
>>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 10:15:14 +1100, Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> *Honest Government Ad | Whistleblower Protection Laws*
>>>>
>>>> /thejuicemedia, 980K subscriber/
>>>> /175,302 views 28 Feb 2024/
>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWkGmw3xMTU>
>>>> ~~~ ~~~
>>>>
>>>> It looks like whistle blowing is not compatible with our pretend
>>>> capitalist democracy.
>>>> That is clearly a bipartisan opinion, apparently!
>>>>
>>> It used to be then, not now. clearly the Communists have won.
>>>>
>>> Flow on affect from the "Trump derangement syndrome(TDS)"
>>> The Government is always trying to PSYOP people via Media
>>> Latest PSYOP is
>>> Dating back several years (2017), suspect it's a ploy to end the
>>> submarine AUKUS deal.
>>
>> Sorry!! Was AUKUS in place in 2017?? Or were the 'negotiations' just
>> getting going??
>>
> AUKUS was not in place in 2017.

So WHY did you, Petzl, post "Dating back several years (2017), suspect
it's a ploy to end the submarine AUKUS deal."??

> The undisclosed spy was!

So Sam Dastyari was spying on a project that wasn't even in place then,
was he??

Ah!! No, he was spying on the French Sub deal!!

> Moslem Iranian "Former Senator Sam Dastyari" was then found spying for
> China and giving them Information about the then French Submarines we
> intended to buy. Ended off backing away for over $800 million
> compensation to France.--
Daniel

On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 21:36:17 +1100, Daniel65
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>Petzl wrote on 2/3/24 7:39 am:
>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 20:01:37 +1100, Daniel65
>> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>> Petzl wrote on 1/3/24 11:03 am:
>>>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 10:15:14 +1100, Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> *Honest Government Ad | Whistleblower Protection Laws*
>>>>>
>>>>> /thejuicemedia, 980K subscriber/
>>>>> /175,302 views 28 Feb 2024/
>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWkGmw3xMTU>
>>>>> ~~~ ~~~
>>>>>
>>>>> It looks like whistle blowing is not compatible with our pretend
>>>>> capitalist democracy.
>>>>> That is clearly a bipartisan opinion, apparently!
>>>>>
>>>> It used to be then, not now. clearly the Communists have won.
>>>>>
>>>> Flow on affect from the "Trump derangement syndrome(TDS)"
>>>> The Government is always trying to PSYOP people via Media
>>>> Latest PSYOP is
>>>> Dating back several years (2017), suspect it's a ploy to end the
>>>> submarine AUKUS deal.
>>>
>>> Sorry!! Was AUKUS in place in 2017?? Or were the 'negotiations' just
>>> getting going??
>>>
>> AUKUS was not in place in 2017.
>
Around 2017 only two politicians were terminated.
But you knew this,
>
>So WHY did you, Petzl, post "Dating back several years (2017), suspect
>it's a ploy to end the submarine AUKUS deal."??
>
>> The undisclosed spy was!
>
>So Sam Dastyari was spying on a project that wasn't even in place then,
>was he??
>
>Ah!! No, he was spying on the French Sub deal!!
>
Not omly that.
<https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/agent-of-influence-fear-is-back-20160916-grhwp9.html>
https://t.ly/C7eGj
Today the Agent of Influence is back in vogue thanks to Labor Senator
Sam Dastyari who solicited donations from a Chinese business to cover
personal expenses. The allegation is that this led him to adopt a more
pro-Chinese position on competing country claims in the South China
Sea.
>
>> Moslem Iranian "Former Senator Sam Dastyari" was then found spying for
>> China and giving them Information about the then French Submarines we
>> intended to buy. Ended off backing away for over $800 million
>> compensation to France.--

--
Petzl
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot
survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable,
for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves
amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling
through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself
For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar
to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he
appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He
rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night
to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so
that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.

- Marcus Tullius Cicero

On Fri, 01 Mar 2024 21:13:30 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Of course it Dastaryi, stupid.
>
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Dastyari>
*Born in Sari, Mazandaran Province, Iran*[3] to an ethnic Azerbaijani
father and Mazanderani mother, Dastyari arrived in Australia at age
four in January 1988.[8] His parents were student activists in the
1979 Iranian revolution.[2]

On Sun, 03 Mar 2024 07:54:54 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 21:36:17 +1100, Daniel65
> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> Petzl wrote on 2/3/24 7:39 am:
>>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 20:01:37 +1100, Daniel65
>>> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>> Petzl wrote on 1/3/24 11:03 am:
>>>>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 10:15:14 +1100, Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> *Honest Government Ad | Whistleblower Protection Laws*
>>>>>>
>>>>>> /thejuicemedia, 980K subscriber/
>>>>>> /175,302 views 28 Feb 2024/
>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWkGmw3xMTU>
>>>>>> ~~~ ~~~
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It looks like whistle blowing is not compatible with our pretend
>>>>>> capitalist democracy.
>>>>>> That is clearly a bipartisan opinion, apparently!
>>>>>>
>>>>> It used to be then, not now. clearly the Communists have won.
>>>>>>
>>>>> Flow on affect from the "Trump derangement syndrome(TDS)"
>>>>> The Government is always trying to PSYOP people via Media
>>>>> Latest PSYOP is
>>>>> Dating back several years (2017), suspect it's a ploy to end the
>>>>> submarine AUKUS deal.
>>>>
>>>> Sorry!! Was AUKUS in place in 2017?? Or were the 'negotiations' just
>>>> getting going??
>>>>
>>> AUKUS was not in place in 2017.
>>
> Around 2017 only two politicians were terminated.

And Turdbull wasn't one of them.

> But you knew this,

You didnt.

>> So WHY did you, Petzl, post "Dating back several years (2017), suspect
>> it's a ploy to end the submarine AUKUS deal."??
>>
>>> The undisclosed spy was!
>>
>> So Sam Dastyari was spying on a project that wasn't even in place then,
>> was he??
>>
>> Ah!! No, he was spying on the French Sub deal!!

He had no capacity to do that given that Labor was not in power then.

> Not omly that.
> <https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/agent-of-influence-fear-is-back-20160916-grhwp9.html>
> https://t.ly/C7eGj
> Today the Agent of Influence is back in vogue thanks to Labor Senator
> Sam Dastyari who solicited donations from a Chinese business to cover
> personal expenses. The allegation is that this led him to adopt a more
> pro-Chinese position on competing country claims in the South China
> Sea.

Which is nothing even remotely like what the ASIO boss was on about.

>>> Moslem Iranian "Former Senator Sam Dastyari" was then found spying for
>>> China and giving them Information about the then French Submarines we
>>> intended to buy. Ended off backing away for over $800 million
>>> compensation to France.--

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>> Of course its Dastaryi, stupid.

> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Dastyari>
> *Born in Sari, Mazandaran Province, Iran*[3] to an ethnic Azerbaijani
> father and Mazanderani mother, Dastyari arrived in Australia at age
> four in January 1988.[8] His parents were student activists in the
> 1979 Iranian revolution.[2]

Unlikely he noticed when he was 4

On Sun, 03 Mar 2024 10:06:45 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 03 Mar 2024 07:54:54 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 21:36:17 +1100, Daniel65
>> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Petzl wrote on 2/3/24 7:39 am:
>>>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 20:01:37 +1100, Daniel65
>>>> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>> Petzl wrote on 1/3/24 11:03 am:
>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 10:15:14 +1100, Ördög <ordog@your.service.biz>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> *Honest Government Ad | Whistleblower Protection Laws*
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> /thejuicemedia, 980K subscriber/
>>>>>>> /175,302 views 28 Feb 2024/
>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWkGmw3xMTU>
>>>>>>> ~~~ ~~~
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It looks like whistle blowing is not compatible with our pretend
>>>>>>> capitalist democracy.
>>>>>>> That is clearly a bipartisan opinion, apparently!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> It used to be then, not now. clearly the Communists have won.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Flow on affect from the "Trump derangement syndrome(TDS)"
>>>>>> The Government is always trying to PSYOP people via Media
>>>>>> Latest PSYOP is
>>>>>> Dating back several years (2017), suspect it's a ploy to end the
>>>>>> submarine AUKUS deal.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sorry!! Was AUKUS in place in 2017?? Or were the 'negotiations' just
>>>>> getting going??
>>>>>
>>>> AUKUS was not in place in 2017.
>>>
>> Around 2017 only two politicians were terminated.
>
>And Turdbull wasn't one of them.
>
He was stabbed in the back by his "friend" Scott Morrison in 2018
Scott Morrison replaced Malcolm Turnbull as Australia's Prime Minister
after a second spill. He was pissed and became a moaning revengeful
ghost of a PM past, still is, so he has motive.
>
>> But you knew this,
>
>You didnt.
>
Did so did Daniel65.
>
>>> So WHY did you, Petzl, post "Dating back several years (2017), suspect
>>> it's a ploy to end the submarine AUKUS deal."??
>>>
>>>> The undisclosed spy was!
>>>
>>> So Sam Dastyari was spying on a project that wasn't even in place then,
>>> was he??
>>>
>>> Ah!! No, he was spying on the French Sub deal!!
>
>He had no capacity to do that given that Labor was not in power then.
>
I remember as a Senator Shanghai Sam had access to secret documents
including the French submarine proposed deal, even took/borrowed the
scale model of the Submarine home! and was being paid Chinese money.
>
>> Not omly that.
>> <https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/agent-of-influence-fear-is-back-20160916-grhwp9.html>
>> https://t.ly/C7eGj
>> Today the Agent of Influence is back in vogue thanks to Labor Senator
>> Sam Dastyari who solicited donations from a Chinese business to cover
>> personal expenses. The allegation is that this led him to adopt a more
>> pro-Chinese position on competing country claims in the South China
>> Sea.
>
>Which is nothing even remotely like what the ASIO boss was on about.
>
Suspect it was. Any how Dunkley by-election is being counted,can't see
the need to now hold back identity of the traitor.
<>
>
>>>> Moslem Iranian "Former Senator Sam Dastyari" was then found spying for
>>>> China and giving them Information about the then French Submarines we
>>>> intended to buy. Ended off backing away for over $800 million
>>>> compensation to France.--
--
Petzl
A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot
survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable,
for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves
amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling
through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself
For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar
to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he
appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He
rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night
to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so
that it can no longer resist. A murderer is less to fear.

- Marcus Tullius Cicero

On Sun, 03 Mar 2024 10:08:24 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>> Of course its Dastaryi, stupid.
>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Dastyari>
>> *Born in Sari, Mazandaran Province, Iran*[3] to an ethnic Azerbaijani
>> father and Mazanderani mother, Dastyari arrived in Australia at age
>> four in January 1988.[8] His parents were student activists in the
>> 1979 Iranian revolution.[2]
>
>Unlikely he noticed when he was 4
>
They all came with Iranian passports, Shanghai Sam was born in Iran!
--
Petzl

Islam is of course synonymous with terrorism
There are more Australian Muslims fighting with al Qaeda linked
groups than there are in the Australian Defence Force fighting against them!
..
Major majority of the worlds refugees are created by Islam since the
days of Mohammad. Mainly because Islam is actually a violent political
process, not a religion at all.
Islamic conquests have always been by infiltration (Trojan Horse:
Al-Hijra, The Islamic Doctrine of Immigration). This is how Islam
grows, a violent political process using , terrorist attack from
within, eventually followed by surprise attack, followed by killing
for killings sake.
Once Moslems have foothold maintaining rule is held by continued
carnage and ruthlessness.
Until it's recognized Islam is the problem nothing will change!
How Islam began and still violently grows
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERou_Q5l9Gw

On Sun, 03 Mar 2024 13:18:40 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sun, 03 Mar 2024 10:06:45 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 03 Mar 2024 07:54:54 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, 2 Mar 2024 21:36:17 +1100, Daniel65
>>> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Petzl wrote on 2/3/24 7:39 am:
>>>>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 20:01:37 +1100, Daniel65
>>>>> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Petzl wrote on 1/3/24 11:03 am:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 1 Mar 2024 10:15:14 +1100, Ördög <ordog@your.service..biz>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> *Honest Government Ad | Whistleblower Protection Laws*
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> /thejuicemedia, 980K subscriber/
>>>>>>>> /175,302 views 28 Feb 2024/
>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZWkGmw3xMTU>
>>>>>>>> ~~~ ~~~
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It looks like whistle blowing is not compatible with our pretend
>>>>>>>> capitalist democracy.
>>>>>>>> That is clearly a bipartisan opinion, apparently!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It used to be then, not now. clearly the Communists have won.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Flow on affect from the "Trump derangement syndrome(TDS)"
>>>>>>> The Government is always trying to PSYOP people via Media
>>>>>>> Latest PSYOP is
>>>>>>> Dating back several years (2017), suspect it's a ploy to end the
>>>>>>> submarine AUKUS deal.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry!! Was AUKUS in place in 2017?? Or were the 'negotiations' just
>>>>>> getting going??
>>>>>>
>>>>> AUKUS was not in place in 2017.
>>>>
>>> Around 2017 only two politicians were terminated.
>>
>> And Turdbull wasn't one of them.
>>
> He was stabbed in the back by his "friend" Scott Morrison in 2018
> Scott Morrison replaced Malcolm Turnbull as Australia's Prime Minister
> after a second spill. He was pissed and became a moaning revengeful
> ghost of a PM past, still is, so he has motive.
>>
>>> But you knew this,
>>
>> You didnt.
>>
> Did so did Daniel65.
>>
>>>> So WHY did you, Petzl, post "Dating back several years (2017), suspect
>>>> it's a ploy to end the submarine AUKUS deal."??
>>>>
>>>>> The undisclosed spy was!
>>>>
>>>> So Sam Dastyari was spying on a project that wasn't even in place
>>>> then,
>>>> was he??
>>>>
>>>> Ah!! No, he was spying on the French Sub deal!!
>>
>> He had no capacity to do that given that Labor was not in power then.

> I remember as a Senator Shanghai Sam had access to secret documents
> including the French submarine proposed deal, even took/borrowed the
> scale model of the Submarine home!

Don't believe that.

> and was being paid Chinese money.

Yes.

>>> Not omly that.
>>> <https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/agent-of-influence-fear-is-back-20160916-grhwp9.html>
>>> https://t.ly/C7eGj
>>> Today the Agent of Influence is back in vogue thanks to Labor Senator
>>> Sam Dastyari who solicited donations from a Chinese business to cover
>>> personal expenses. The allegation is that this led him to adopt a more
>>> pro-Chinese position on competing country claims in the South China
>>> Sea.

>> Which is nothing even remotely like what the ASIO boss was on about.

> Suspect it was.

That's not spying.

> Any how Dunkley by-election is being counted,can'tsee the need to now
> hold back identity of the traitor.

Burgess has said very unambiguously that doing that
would reveal how ASIO does things and he is right.

>>>>> Moslem Iranian "Former Senator Sam Dastyari" was then found spying
>>>>> for
>>>>> China and giving them Information about the then French Submarines we
>>>>> intended to buy. Ended off backing away for over $800 million
>>>>> compensation to France.--

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> Of course its Dastaryi, stupid.

>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Dastyari>
>>> *Born in Sari, Mazandaran Province, Iran*[3] to an ethnic Azerbaijani
>>> father and Mazanderani mother, Dastyari arrived in Australia at age
>>> four in January 1988.[8] His parents were student activists in the
>>> 1979 Iranian revolution.[2]

>> Unlikely he noticed when he was 4

> They all came with Iranian passports,

Irrelevant.

> Shanghai Sam was born in Iran!

Was only 4 at the time.

Petzl wrote on 3/3/24 1:18 pm:
> On Sun, 03 Mar 2024 10:06:45 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sun, 03 Mar 2024 07:54:54 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com>
>> wrote:

<Snip>

>>> Not omly that.
>>> <https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/agent-of-influence-fear-is-back-20160916-grhwp9.html>
>>>
>>> https://t.ly/C7eGj
>>> Today the Agent of Influence is back in vogue thanks to Labor
>>> Senator Sam Dastyari who solicited donations from a Chinese
>>> business to cover personal expenses. The allegation is that this
>>> led him to adopt a more pro-Chinese position on competing country
>>> claims in the South China Sea.
>>
>> Which is nothing even remotely like what the ASIO boss was on
>> about.
>>
> Suspect it was. Any how Dunkley by-election is being counted,can't
> see the need to now hold back identity of the traitor. <>
>>

And now ScoMo has resigned .... so that's another upcoming by-election
AFTER Party Candidates have been determined!!

The Senator that died will be replaced by her Party nominating a
replacement, I think.
--
Daniel

On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 19:48:17 +1100, Daniel65
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

>> Suspect it was. Any how Dunkley by-election is being counted,can't
>> see the need to now hold back identity of the traitor. <>
>>>
>
>And now ScoMo has resigned .... so that's another upcoming by-election
>AFTER Party Candidates have been determined!!
>
>The Senator that died will be replaced by her Party nominating a
>replacement, I think.
>
A Senator can be selected by PM, so not sure why he didn't
Labor won the swat anyhow.
--
Petzl
ALWAYS Vote oligarchies Coalition, Labor, "Greens" One Nation.
*LAST*, Federal State and Council!
“Everything that defines us is now an enemy,
so they attack national identity, they attack religious identity,
they attack gender identity, they attack family identity.
I can’t define myself as Italian, Christian, woman, mother, no.
I must be citizen x, gender x, parent 1, parent 2.
I must be a number, because when I am only a number,
when I no longer have an identity or roots,
then I will be the perfect slave at the mercy of financial speculators.
: - Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni

Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote
> Petzl wrote
>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> Not omly that.
>>>> <https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/agent-of-influence-fear-is-back-20160916-grhwp9.html>
>>>>
> >>> https://t.ly/C7eGj
>>>> Today the Agent of Influence is back in vogue thanks to Labor
>>>> Senator Sam Dastyari who solicited donations from a Chinese
>>>> business to cover personal expenses. The allegation is that this
>>>> led him to adopt a more pro-Chinese position on competing country
>>>> claims in the South China Sea.
>>> Which is nothing even remotely like what the ASIO boss was on
>>> about.
>>>
>> Suspect it was. Any how Dunkley by-election is being counted,can't
>> see the need to now hold back identity of the traitor. <>
>>>
>
> And now ScoMo has resigned .... so that's another upcoming by-election
> AFTER Party Candidates have been determined!!
>
> The Senator that died will be replaced by her Party nominating a
> replacement, I think.

Yep, that's how the senate works.

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote

>>> Suspect it was. Any how Dunkley by-election is being counted,can't
>>> see the need to now hold back identity of the traitor. <>

>> And now ScoMo has resigned .... so that's another upcomingby-election
>> AFTER Party Candidates have been determined!!

>> The Senator that died will be replaced byher Party nominating a
>> replacement, I think.

> A Senator can be selected by PM,

Nope.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casual_vacancies_in_the_Australian_Parliament#States

> so not sure why he didn't

Because he can't do that.

> Labor won the swat anyhow.

On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 05:54:02 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote
>
>>>> Suspect it was. Any how Dunkley by-election is being counted,can't
>>>> see the need to now hold back identity of the traitor. <>
>
>>> And now ScoMo has resigned .... so that's another upcomingby-election
>>> AFTER Party Candidates have been determined!!
>
>>> The Senator that died will be replaced byher Party nominating a
>>> replacement, I think.
>
>> A Senator can be selected by PM,
>
>Nope.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casual_vacancies_in_the_Australian_Parliament#States
>
>> so not sure why he didn't
>
>Because he can't do that.
>
OK, seems it must be a State thing. not having a Senate!
New South Wales Legislative Assembly.
>
>> Labor won the swat anyhow.
--
Petzl
The Greens have never done anything worthwhile to this country.
All they are known for is being an arm of the ALP and handing them and
vice versa, preferences at election time.

Labor the best party that Chinese money can buy!

On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 05:45:59 +1100, "Rod Speed"
<rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:

>Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote
>> Petzl wrote
>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>
>>>>> Not omly that.
>>>>> <https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/agent-of-influence-fear-is-back-20160916-grhwp9.html>
>>>>>
>> >>> https://t.ly/C7eGj
>>>>> Today the Agent of Influence is back in vogue thanks to Labor
>>>>> Senator Sam Dastyari who solicited donations from a Chinese
>>>>> business to cover personal expenses. The allegation is that this
>>>>> led him to adopt a more pro-Chinese position on competing country
>>>>> claims in the South China Sea.
>>>> Which is nothing even remotely like what the ASIO boss was on
>>>> about.
>>>>
>>> Suspect it was. Any how Dunkley by-election is being counted,can't
>>> see the need to now hold back identity of the traitor. <>
>>>>
>>
>> And now ScoMo has resigned .... so that's another upcoming by-election
>> AFTER Party Candidates have been determined!!
>>
>> The Senator that died will be replaced by her Party nominating a
>> replacement, I think.
>
>Yep, that's how the senate works.
>
nope
Does for state, Legislative Assembly, needs Combined sitting of
Parliament.
--
Petzl
The Greens have never done anything worthwhile to this country.
All they are known for is being an arm of the ALP and handing them and
vice versa, preferences at election time.

Labor the best party that Chinese money can buy!

Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote

>>>>> Suspect it was. Any how Dunkley by-election is being counted,
>>>>> can't see the need to now hold back identity of the traitor. <>

>>>> And now ScoMo has resigned .... so that's another upcoming
>>>> by-election AFTER Party Candidates have been determined!!

>>>> The Senator that died will be replaced by
>>>> her Party nominating a replacement, I think.

>>> A Senator can be selected by PM,

>> Nope.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casual_vacancies_in_the_Australian_Parliament#States

>>> so not sure why he didn't

>> Because he can't do that.

> OK, seems it must be a State thing. not having a Senate!
> New South Wales Legislative Assembly.

Not even true of a state upper house.

>>> Labor won the swat anyhow.

On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 06:35:15 +1100, Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 05:45:59 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote
>>> Petzl wrote
>>>> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote
>>>>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>
>>>>>> Not omly that.
>>>>>> <https://www.smh.com.au/opinion/agent-of-influence-fear-is-back-20160916-grhwp9.html>
>>>>>>
>>> >>> https://t.ly/C7eGj
>>>>>> Today the Agent of Influence is back in vogue thanks to Labor
>>>>>> Senator Sam Dastyari who solicited donations from a Chinese
>>>>>> business to cover personal expenses. The allegation is that this
>>>>>> led him to adopt a more pro-Chinese position on competing country
>>>>>> claims in the South China Sea.
>>>>> Which is nothing even remotely like what the ASIO boss was on
>>>>> about.
>>>>>
>>>> Suspect it was. Any how Dunkley by-election is being counted,can't
>>>> see the need to now hold back identity of the traitor. <>
>>>>>
>>>
>>> And now ScoMo has resigned .... so that's another upcoming by-election
>>> AFTER Party Candidates have been determined!!
>>>
>>> The Senator that died will be replaced by her Party nominating a
>>> replacement, I think.
>>
>> Yep, that's how the senate works.
>>
> nope
> Does for state, Legislative Assembly, needs Combined sitting of
> Parliament.

We are discussing the senate.

Petzl wrote on 4/3/24 6:30 am:
> On Mon, 04 Mar 2024 05:54:02 +1100, "Rod Speed"
> <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Petzl <petzlx@gmail.com> wrote
>>> Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote
>>
>>>>> Suspect it was. Any how Dunkley by-election is being counted,can't
>>>>> see the need to now hold back identity of the traitor. <>
>>
>>>> And now ScoMo has resigned .... so that's another upcomingby-election
>>>> AFTER Party Candidates have been determined!!
>>
>>>> The Senator that died will be replaced byher Party nominating a
>>>> replacement, I think.
>>
>>> A Senator can be selected by PM,
>>
>> Nope.
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casual_vacancies_in_the_Australian_Parliament#States
>>
>>> so not sure why he didn't
>>
>> Because he can't do that.
>>
> OK, seems it must be a State thing. not having a Senate!
> New South Wales Legislative Assembly.

Say WHAT?? Doesn't NSW have an Upper House ... cause Roddles reference
specifically states

Quote
When a Senate seat representing one of the six states becomes vacant,
Section 15 of the Australian Constitution requires the parliament of the
relevant state to choose a replacement. This is done in a joint sitting
of the upper and lower houses ( *except for Queensland* , which has a
unicameral parliament).
End Quote.
--
Daniel