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* Australia to allow workers to ignore after-hours calls from bossesHoly Moe
`* Re: Australia to allow workers to ignore after-hours calls from bossesOzix
 +- Re: Australia to allow workers to ignore after-hours calls from bossesBorax Man
 +* Re: Australia to allow workers to ignore after-hours calls from bossesÖrdög
 |`- Re: Australia to allow workers to ignore after-hours calls from bossesBorax Man
 `- Re: Australia to allow workers to ignore after-hours calls from bossesFran

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From: holy.moe@telstra.com.au (Holy Moe)
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Subject: Australia to allow workers to ignore after-hours calls from bosses
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 by: Holy Moe - Sat, 10 Feb 2024 06:57 UTC

SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia will introduce laws giving workers the right
to ignore unreasonable calls and messages from their bosses outside of
work hours without penalty, with potential fines for employers that breach
the rule.

The "right to disconnect" is part of a raft of changes to industrial
relations laws proposed by the federal government under a parliamentary
bill, which it says would protect workers' rights and help restore work-
life balance.

Similar laws giving employees a right to switch off their devices are
already in place in France, Spain and other countries in the European
Union.

A majority of senators have now declared support for the legislation,
Employment Minister Tony Burke from the ruling centre-left Labor party
said in a statement on Wednesday.

The provision stops employees from working unpaid overtime through a right
to disconnect from unreasonable contact out of hours, Burke said.

"What we are simply saying is that someone who isn't being paid 24 hours a
day shouldn't be penalised if they�re not online and available 24 hours a
day,� Prime Minister Anthony Albanese told reporters earlier on Wednesday.

The bill is expected to be introduced in parliament later this week.

The bill also includes other provisions like a clearer pathway from
temporary to permanent work and minimum standards for temporary workers
and truck driver.

Some politicians, employer groups and corporate leaders warned the right
to disconnect provision was an overreach and would undermine the move
towards flexible working and impact competitiveness.

The left-wing Greens, which supports the rule and was the first to propose
it last year, said it was a big win for the party. A deal had been reached
between Labor, smaller parties and independents to support this bill,
Greens leader Adam Bandt said on Twitter.

"Australians work an average of six weeks unpaid overtime each year,"
Bandt said.

That equated to more than A$92 billion ($60.13 billion) in unpaid wages
across the economy, he added.

"That time is yours. Not your boss'."

($1 = 1.5300 Australian dollars)

(Reporting by Praveen Menon; Editing by Jamie Freed)

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 by: Ozix - Sat, 10 Feb 2024 09:24 UTC

Holy Moe wrote:
> SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia will introduce laws giving workers the right
> to ignore unreasonable calls and messages from their bosses outside of
> work hours without penalty, with potential fines for employers that breach
> the rule.

About time. One company I worked for, I would arrive home and get a
phone call to say they forgot some paperwork, and I should check e-mail
and print it out myself.
The extra regulations won't affect them, as they already downsized
considerably due to being useless pricks.

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 by: Borax Man - Sat, 10 Feb 2024 09:42 UTC

On 2024-02-10, Ozix <ozix@xizo.am> wrote:
> Holy Moe wrote:
>> SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia will introduce laws giving workers the right
>> to ignore unreasonable calls and messages from their bosses outside of
>> work hours without penalty, with potential fines for employers that breach
>> the rule.
>
> About time. One company I worked for, I would arrive home and get a
> phone call to say they forgot some paperwork, and I should check e-mail
> and print it out myself.
> The extra regulations won't affect them, as they already downsized
> considerably due to being useless pricks.

That is bad management. I organise my team so that I do NOT need them
outside of their standard work hours and my success as a manager, I
judge by ensuring that the team, when at work, is able to fulfil all
the departments functions. Thats what I get paid to do, to manage
resources, to ensure that skills are adequately distributed and to
plan ahead.

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 by: Ördög - Sat, 10 Feb 2024 22:39 UTC

Ozix

> Holy Moe
>> SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia will introduce laws giving workers the right
>> to ignore unreasonable calls and messages from their bosses outside of
>> work hours without penalty, with potential fines for employers that
>> breach
>> the rule.
>
> About time. One company I worked for, I would arrive home and get a
> phone call to say they forgot some paperwork, and I should check e-mail
> and print it out myself.
> The extra regulations won't affect them, as they already downsized
> considerably due to being useless pricks.

During my working life I had an excellent fix for that: I never used a
mobile phone. I have told my employer that if it was absolutely
necessary to keep in touch with me all the time than I'd welcome to be
given a corporate owned phone dedicated for that purpose. I explained
that forking out my private money for a phone plus service provider
would have amounted to an actual pay cut!
Yes, that approach worked wonders because I was never issued a smart
phone, but I was also left undisturbed outside of my place of work.

But of course I did respond to any urgent e-mails, however at my own
convenience! On some occasions I did take urgent work home to be ready
for the next morning's presentation. This was a 'give and take'
arrangement between myself and my boss putting in that extra effort in
exchange for flexibility of hours and self-scheduling priorities.

--
The ever present and ever vigilant newsgroup devil at your service.

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 by: Fran - Sun, 11 Feb 2024 01:46 UTC

On 10/02/2024 8:24 pm, Ozix wrote:
> Holy Moe wrote:
>> SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia will introduce laws giving workers the right
>> to ignore unreasonable calls and messages from their bosses outside of
>> work hours without penalty, with potential fines for employers that
>> breach
>> the rule.
>
> About time.

Yep.

One company I worked for, I would arrive home and get a
> phone call to say they forgot some paperwork, and I should check e-mail
> and print it out myself.
> The extra regulations won't affect them, as they already downsized
> considerably due to being useless pricks.

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 by: Borax Man - Sun, 11 Feb 2024 03:01 UTC

On Sun, 11 Feb 2024 09:39:58 +1100
Ördög <newsgroup.devil@Hell.Incorporated.biz> wrote:

> Ozix
>
> > Holy Moe
> >> SYDNEY (Reuters) - Australia will introduce laws giving workers the right
> >> to ignore unreasonable calls and messages from their bosses outside of
> >> work hours without penalty, with potential fines for employers that
> >> breach
> >> the rule.
> >
> > About time. One company I worked for, I would arrive home and get a
> > phone call to say they forgot some paperwork, and I should check e-mail
> > and print it out myself.
> > The extra regulations won't affect them, as they already downsized
> > considerably due to being useless pricks.
>
> During my working life I had an excellent fix for that: I never used a
> mobile phone. I have told my employer that if it was absolutely
> necessary to keep in touch with me all the time than I'd welcome to be
> given a corporate owned phone dedicated for that purpose. I explained
> that forking out my private money for a phone plus service provider
> would have amounted to an actual pay cut!
> Yes, that approach worked wonders because I was never issued a smart
> phone, but I was also left undisturbed outside of my place of work.
>
> But of course I did respond to any urgent e-mails, however at my own
> convenience! On some occasions I did take urgent work home to be ready
> for the next morning's presentation. This was a 'give and take'
> arrangement between myself and my boss putting in that extra effort in
> exchange for flexibility of hours and self-scheduling priorities.
>
> --
> The ever present and ever vigilant newsgroup devil at your service.

Not having a mobile phone at all today is quite a challenge.
Unfortuantely, my workplace does not provide a work mobile, nor even a
desk phone. It is not possible for anyone to call me for work
purposes, at work, without using my own personal phone number. And I
work for a multinational company, as a manager.

So the problem is, I have to give my personal phone number to
everywhere, within the company and to suppliers, contractors, everyone
outside, just do function.

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