On 6/10/2023 10:30 am, lindsay wrote:
> On 5/10/2023 10:39 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:

>> yes except that this house has an outlet in every room,
>
> do you mean a breathing vent, that allows air in and out of the wall
> cavity?

Didn't think of that. His house is probably old enough to have them.
Still, if it does they won't work like an open window.

> so there's
>> airflow without opening any windows. and since there are no flyscreens
>> on any window, opening windows is not an option anyway
>
> You could try buying some flyscreens...

That's what normal people would do.

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Noddy.

On 6/10/2023 10:21 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 6/10/2023 9:59 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 5/10/2023 11:34 pm, Noddy wrote:
>
>>> That's the beauty of it. Opening a window just wide enough to allow
>>> the air to flow correctly, which usually requires the window to be
>>> open no more than 4 inches, creates enough of an outward flow of air
>>> that it will actually keep bugs out.
>>
>> About the only way to keep cool in a room without opening a window is
>> to be directly below the vent, it will still work but it won't work
>> anywhere near as well as it could.
>
> Of course it won't.
>
> I don't know about Felix's house, but in mine the vents are quite large
> at around 400mm or so square, and they have directional flutes on them
> which can be adjusted to control the path of the incoming air. In all
> the rooms apart from the larger common areas the vents are positioned in
> the ceilings close to the wall opposite the window to give the best flow
> path across the room from the vent to the window which achieves the
> maximum cooling effect. The windows in our place are aluminium sliding,
> and they're fitted with locks that can be set with the window partially
> open so if it's a warm day and we want to go out we can lock the windows
> open about 4 inches and leave the cooler on and we come home to a nicely
> cooled house.
>
> It works very well. In fact the guy across the street has a big ducted
> refrigerated cooler and every time he comes over during summer he
> complains about his system not working any better than ours despite it
> costing him about 2 bucks an hour to run versus 23 cents an hour for us :)
>
>

Ours work pretty good too, being a newer house it has far better
insulation than old houses, double glazed windows also help to keep the
heat out so its much easier to cool when it doesn't get so hot.

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Daryl

On 6/10/2023 10:28 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 6/10/2023 10:04 am, Daryl wrote:
>> On 5/10/2023 10:43 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>
>>> Back when we had one, we'd push it right back to an open window so
>>> that it was sucking air in from the outside then let the air exhaust
>>> though an open door or window at the other end of the house. Our
>>> house in Woomera had one built in with the inlet side outside the
>>> house. Swamp coolers worked really well there since the outside
>>> humidity was usually less than 10%.
>>>
>>
>> Sounds like a portable unit.
>
> It does.
>
>> We have ducted evap ac in both the old and new houses.
>> In the next week or so I'm installing a 8.0kw split system but the
>> intention is to mainly use it for heating to reduce using very
>> expensive gas.
>
> Same here. We're on bottled gas where 95% of it is consumed by the
> central heating, and the costs are out of control. I'd have to check the
> bills and do a total to be 100% accurate, but I'm pretty sure my total
> use for the last 12 months was over 3 thousand bucks and about 200 bucks
> of that was for cooking and hot water :)
>
> Let me know who's doing your splitty and I might have a job for them.
> I've already had GJ Bradding from Bacchus come out and measure up for a
> quote, but that was 3 weeks ago and I've not heard from them since.
>
> Clearly they don't need the work :)
>
>
OK will do, he's booked to be here next Friday so I will ask.
I got his number from my son so I guess he's in the Gisborne area.

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Daryl

On 6/10/2023 10:37 am, Noddy wrote:
> On 6/10/2023 10:28 am, lindsay wrote:
>> On 5/10/2023 10:29 pm, Daryl wrote:
>
>>> Its not exactly rocket science, if you want to cool a room with
>>> evaporative AC you need to allow air to flow in and out of that room,
>>> opening a window is the best and often the only way of doing that.
>>> The master bedroom of my old house didn't have an ac outlet but we
>>> could still cool it by opening the windows in that room and closing
>>> other windows in rooms that we didn't need cooled, just direct the
>>> cool air to where it was needed by opening and closing windows, its
>>> pretty simple without needing to read a manual.
>>
>> Your wasting your time. he's been told several times why he should
>> open his windows, he even suggested that he'd try it "in the hope of a
>> better outcome". He'll figure it out one day. Or maybe not.
>
> I think it's impossible for him to figure *anything* out. You need to
> have an open mind and be capable of objective thought to be able to do
> that, and he's demonstrated *many* times that such things are *way*
> above his pay grade.
>
> This is why he does things like by junk cars or believe in the "power"
> of Monster Cables. Because he's not capable of looking past the end of
> his ignorant nose and is completely oblivious to the concept of
> alternatives.
>
Well, you're oblivious to the concept of truth.

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Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
(with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On Thursday, 5 October 2023 at 14:36:46 UTC+11, Xeno wrote:
> On 5/10/2023 1:43 pm, blofelds cat wrote:
> > Noddy wrote:
> >> On 5/10/2023 1:23 pm, blofelds cat wrote:
> >>
> >>>>> you have them BLOCKED you moron so you won't see any 'corrections'
> >>>>>
> >>>> He forgot to pretend that he doesn't read everything.
> >>>
> >>> yes, lol
> >>
> >> Jesus you're a retard Felix. Have a look at your posts on this. You
> >> went from saying I won't see any corrections to I won't see any
> >> *direct* corrections after it was pointed out to you that I see posts
> >> when people echo them. *Now* you're coat tailing that rabid mouth
> >> frother because you think that's the intelligent thing to do but don't
> >> really know why.
> >
> > you may have a killfile or you may not. we only have your word that you
> It's the most porous killfile around - lets *everything* through!
> > do, and most ppl here well know what your word is worth..

> Not even two knobs of goatshit!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Wot?, you *and* alvira?....
> >
> >>
> >> It's not hard to see how it took you 20 years to understand that you
> >> didn't know how to use an evaporative cooler properly :)
> >>
> >
> > that's a lie that's been rebutted by me quoting the manual, but that
> > doesn't stop you repeating it, like you repeat many of your other lies
> >
> He repeats lies all the time. I suspect that he thinks they will become
> true if repeated enough.
> --
> Xeno
>
>
> Nothing astonishes Noddy so much as common sense and plain dealing.
> (with apologies to Ralph Waldo Emerson)

On 5/10/2023 10:42 pm, Noddy wrote:
> On 5/10/2023 10:43 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>> On 5/10/2023 9:29 pm, Daryl wrote:
>
>>> Its not exactly rocket science, if you want to cool a room with
>>> evaporative AC you need to allow air to flow in and out of that room,
>>> opening a window is the best and often the only way of doing that.
>>> The master bedroom of my old house didn't have an ac outlet but we
>>> could still cool it by opening the windows in that room and closing
>>> other windows in rooms that we didn't need cooled, just direct the
>>> cool air to where it was needed by opening and closing windows, its
>>> pretty simple without needing to read a manual.
>>
>> Back when we had one, we'd push it right back to an open window so
>> that it was sucking air in from the outside then let the air exhaust
>> though an open door or window at the other end of the house. Our house
>> in Woomera had one built in with the inlet side outside the house.
>> Swamp coolers worked really well there since the outside humidity was
>> usually less than 10%.
>
> Mine's ducted and it works very well indeed. Fortunately the climate
> here is near on perfect for them, and on a bad Summer we'd be unlucky if
> we got more than 3 or 4 days where the humidity was such that it
> prevented the thing from doing much.
>
> We had refrigerated in the old house and I would never go back to it.
> Yeah, it was colder, but the trade-off was having the house sealed up
> tight with no fresh air and it just dries your eyes out.

Swamps don't work here - too much humidity. We have 3 A/C units, they
came with the house. The one in the front room gets used most, The one
in the bedroom gets switched on 30 minutes before we go to bed and runs
on a timer for an hour after, but only on very hot nights.

On 6/10/2023 9:04 am, Daryl wrote:
> On 5/10/2023 10:43 pm, Keithr0 wrote:
>> On 5/10/2023 9:29 pm, Daryl wrote:
>>> On 5/10/2023 6:55 pm, Mighty Mouse wrote:
>>>> Germinator wrote:
>>>>> lindsay wrote:
>>>>>> On 5/10/2023 1:43 pm, blofelds cat wrote:
>>>>>>> Noddy wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 5/10/2023 1:23 pm, blofelds cat wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> you have them BLOCKED you moron so you won't see any
>>>>>>>>>>> 'corrections'
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> He forgot to pretend that he doesn't read everything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> yes, lol
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Jesus you're a retard Felix. Have a look at your posts on this.
>>>>>>>> You went from saying I won't see any corrections to I won't see
>>>>>>>> any *direct* corrections after it was pointed out to you that I
>>>>>>>> see posts when people echo them. *Now* you're coat tailing that
>>>>>>>> rabid mouth frother because you think that's the intelligent
>>>>>>>> thing to do but don't really know why.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you may have a killfile or you may not. we only have your word
>>>>>>> that you do, and most ppl here well know what your word is worth..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It's not hard to see how it took you 20 years to understand that
>>>>>>>> you didn't know how to use an evaporative cooler properly :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> that's a lie that's been rebutted by me quoting the manual,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've a good memory, I dont recall you posting *anything* from the
>>>>>> supposed manual... perhaps you'd refresh my memory.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> apparently his memory is not as good as he imagines it to be. the
>>>> manual says nothing about opening windows in each room, only to have
>>>> an outlet of sufficient aperture to expel the volume of incoming air.
>>>
>>> Its not exactly rocket science, if you want to cool a room with
>>> evaporative AC you need to allow air to flow in and out of that room,
>>> opening a window is the best and often the only way of doing that.
>>> The master bedroom of my old house didn't have an ac outlet but we
>>> could still cool it by opening the windows in that room and closing
>>> other windows in rooms that we didn't need cooled, just direct the
>>> cool air to where it was needed by opening and closing windows, its
>>> pretty simple without needing to read a manual.
>>
>> Back when we had one, we'd push it right back to an open window so
>> that it was sucking air in from the outside then let the air exhaust
>> though an open door or window at the other end of the house. Our house
>> in Woomera had one built in with the inlet side outside the house.
>> Swamp coolers worked really well there since the outside humidity was
>> usually less than 10%.
>>
>
> Sounds like a portable unit.
> We have ducted evap ac in both the old and new houses.
> In the next week or so I'm installing a 8.0kw split system but the
> intention is to mainly use it for heating to reduce using very expensive
> gas.
>
The house in America had a split system, electric A/C, and gas heating.
With winter nights that got down to -20c it wasn't a luxury. The woman
next door was always wingeing about her power and gas bills, but being
American, she kept her place at 75F in winter and 60F in summer.