I have a couple of 'twin pack' 10.8v cordless drill and impact driver
sets which share batteries etc. One is a Titan (Screwfix) and the
other is a Duratool (CPC own brand).

Anyway I find them both very useful as the drill makes holes and the
impact driver puts screws into them. :-) I have three batteries for
each.

However the Titan ones are beginning to show their age and the CPC
drill doesn't have an auto-lock chuck so I'm looking for replacements.
However it seems that impact drivers no longer exist! There's ones
with 1/2" chucks for use with socket spanners but there seems to be
nothing for 1/4" hex bits. I find my existing 10.8v ones quite
capable of driving 100 x 6mm screws into fence posts and such so I see
no need for anything more powerful.

Am I missing something or have these really gone out of fashion?

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Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
> I have a couple of 'twin pack' 10.8v cordless drill and impact driver
> sets which share batteries etc. One is a Titan (Screwfix) and the
> other is a Duratool (CPC own brand).
>
> Anyway I find them both very useful as the drill makes holes and the
> impact driver puts screws into them. :-) I have three batteries for
> each.
>
> However the Titan ones are beginning to show their age and the CPC
> drill doesn't have an auto-lock chuck so I'm looking for replacements.
> However it seems that impact drivers no longer exist! There's ones
> with 1/2" chucks for use with socket spanners but there seems to be
> nothing for 1/4" hex bits. I find my existing 10.8v ones quite
> capable of driving 100 x 6mm screws into fence posts and such so I see
> no need for anything more powerful.
>
> Am I missing something or have these really gone out of fashion?

12v is the new 10.8v (literally the same thing, just renamed).

Makita have 3:
https://www.makitauk.com/products/impact-drivers-cxt-12v

Milwaukee have 4:
https://uk.milwaukeetool.eu/en-gb/cordless/fastening/impact-drivers/?129=&131=&996=&orderby=newest&pageindex=0&systems=M12&technologies=&trades=

Dewalt has 1:
https://www.dewalt.co.uk/product/dcf801d2-gb/12v-xr-brushless-sub-compact-impact-driver-2-x-2-ah?tid=572986

Bosch has 3:
https://www.bosch-professional.com/gb/en/impact-wrenches-101290-ocs-c/?availability--in-stock&battery-voltage--12-0-v

etc etc

Screwfix have 57 versions listed:
https://www.screwfix.com/c/tools/impact-drivers-wrenches/cat830838?powervoltagesupply=12_v

although half of those are impact wrenches. (The right-angle 12V wrenches are
very popular with mechanics for car bolts.)

Theo

On 26/04/2024 20:29, Chris Green wrote:
> I have a couple of 'twin pack' 10.8v cordless drill and impact driver
> sets which share batteries etc. One is a Titan (Screwfix) and the
> other is a Duratool (CPC own brand).
>
> Anyway I find them both very useful as the drill makes holes and the
> impact driver puts screws into them. :-) I have three batteries for
> each.
>
> However the Titan ones are beginning to show their age and the CPC
> drill doesn't have an auto-lock chuck so I'm looking for replacements.
> However it seems that impact drivers no longer exist! There's ones
> with 1/2" chucks for use with socket spanners but there seems to be
> nothing for 1/4" hex bits. I find my existing 10.8v ones quite
> capable of driving 100 x 6mm screws into fence posts and such so I see
> no need for anything more powerful.
>
> Am I missing something or have these really gone out of fashion?
>
IQ test 10.8V is to 12V as 18V is to ??
a) 6V
b) 100V
c) 20V

Guess 10.8V impacts are called 12V impacts now.

Typical, manufacturers 'telling' you are getting more, when it is
exactly the same.

Theo wrote:

>> Am I missing something or have these really gone out of fashion?
> 12v is the new 10.8v (literally the same thing, just renamed).
>
> Makita have 3:
> https://www.makitauk.com/products/impact-drivers-cxt-12v

I have a few of the previous generation tools using makita BL1013
batteries, much less bulky than CXT or LXT when you don't need brute force

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
> > I have a couple of 'twin pack' 10.8v cordless drill and impact driver
> > sets which share batteries etc. One is a Titan (Screwfix) and the
> > other is a Duratool (CPC own brand).
> >
> > Anyway I find them both very useful as the drill makes holes and the
> > impact driver puts screws into them. :-) I have three batteries for
> > each.
> >
> > However the Titan ones are beginning to show their age and the CPC
> > drill doesn't have an auto-lock chuck so I'm looking for replacements.
> > However it seems that impact drivers no longer exist! There's ones
> > with 1/2" chucks for use with socket spanners but there seems to be
> > nothing for 1/4" hex bits. I find my existing 10.8v ones quite
> > capable of driving 100 x 6mm screws into fence posts and such so I see
> > no need for anything more powerful.
> >
> > Am I missing something or have these really gone out of fashion?
>
> 12v is the new 10.8v (literally the same thing, just renamed).
>
Yes, I had realised that, though quite a few of them are now not slim
like the old nominally 10.8v ones were.

>
> Screwfix have 57 versions listed:
> https://www.screwfix.com/c/tools/impact-drivers-wrenches/cat830838?powervoltagesupply=12_v
>
> although half of those are impact wrenches. (The right-angle 12V wrenches are
> very popular with mechanics for car bolts.)
>
More than half I think! :-) I could only spot a couple of 1/4" hex
drive ones. Even those don't show whether they have compact batteries
or not. I just want a nice slim handle without a mushroom on the end.

There's also no cheap ones, e.g. Titan or similar brands. I now have
a (lovely) Parkside 12v drill/driver but there's no matching impact
wrench to go with it.

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·

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Theo wrote:
>
> >> Am I missing something or have these really gone out of fashion?
> > 12v is the new 10.8v (literally the same thing, just renamed).
> >
> > Makita have 3:
> > https://www.makitauk.com/products/impact-drivers-cxt-12v
>
> I have a few of the previous generation tools using makita BL1013
> batteries, much less bulky than CXT or LXT when you don't need brute force

Exactly!!! I want a slim-handled impact driver for wood screws that
pairs nicely with a 12v cordless drill.

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Soup <cheez2011@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 26/04/2024 20:29, Chris Green wrote:
> > I have a couple of 'twin pack' 10.8v cordless drill and impact driver
> > sets which share batteries etc. One is a Titan (Screwfix) and the
> > other is a Duratool (CPC own brand).
> >
> > Anyway I find them both very useful as the drill makes holes and the
> > impact driver puts screws into them. :-) I have three batteries for
> > each.
> >
> > However the Titan ones are beginning to show their age and the CPC
> > drill doesn't have an auto-lock chuck so I'm looking for replacements.
> > However it seems that impact drivers no longer exist! There's ones
> > with 1/2" chucks for use with socket spanners but there seems to be
> > nothing for 1/4" hex bits. I find my existing 10.8v ones quite
> > capable of driving 100 x 6mm screws into fence posts and such so I see
> > no need for anything more powerful.
> >
> > Am I missing something or have these really gone out of fashion?
> >
> IQ test 10.8V is to 12V as 18V is to ??
> a) 6V
> b) 100V
> c) 20V
>
> Guess 10.8V impacts are called 12V impacts now.
>
> Typical, manufacturers 'telling' you are getting more, when it is
> exactly the same.
>
This (as I said above) isn't my issue, I know that 12v is equivalent
to 10.8v. What I am spcifically after is cordless tools with a slim
handle, i.e. without that horrible mushroom on the end. Many of the
latest generation 12v (was 10.8v) tools don't have the slim format I'm
after. There *are* 12v cordless drill/drivers with slim batteries (I
have a couple) but I can't find an 12v impact driver with a slim
handle (not at a sensible price anyway, I don't want to pay over £100
for tool + battery + charger).

--
Chris Green
·

On 27/04/2024 07:41, Chris Green wrote:
> Soup <cheez2011@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 26/04/2024 20:29, Chris Green wrote:
>>> I have a couple of 'twin pack' 10.8v cordless drill and impact driver
>>> sets which share batteries etc. One is a Titan (Screwfix) and the
>>> other is a Duratool (CPC own brand).
>>>
>>> Anyway I find them both very useful as the drill makes holes and the
>>> impact driver puts screws into them. :-) I have three batteries for
>>> each.
>>>
>>> However the Titan ones are beginning to show their age and the CPC
>>> drill doesn't have an auto-lock chuck so I'm looking for replacements.
>>> However it seems that impact drivers no longer exist! There's ones
>>> with 1/2" chucks for use with socket spanners but there seems to be
>>> nothing for 1/4" hex bits. I find my existing 10.8v ones quite
>>> capable of driving 100 x 6mm screws into fence posts and such so I see
>>> no need for anything more powerful.
>>>
>>> Am I missing something or have these really gone out of fashion?
>>>
>> IQ test 10.8V is to 12V as 18V is to ??
>> a) 6V
>> b) 100V
>> c) 20V
>>
>> Guess 10.8V impacts are called 12V impacts now.
>>
>> Typical, manufacturers 'telling' you are getting more, when it is
>> exactly the same.
>>
> This (as I said above) isn't my issue, I know that 12v is equivalent
> to 10.8v. What I am spcifically after is cordless tools with a slim
> handle, i.e. without that horrible mushroom on the end. Many of the
> latest generation 12v (was 10.8v) tools don't have the slim format I'm
> after. There *are* 12v cordless drill/drivers with slim batteries (I
> have a couple) but I can't find an 12v impact driver with a slim
> handle (not at a sensible price anyway, I don't want to pay over £100
> for tool + battery + charger).
>
On re-reading the only allusion you make to tools using more power is
to say the 'current' tools are powerfull enough.
However you say nothing about the shape of the tool handles/batteries

On 27/04/2024 07:37, Chris Green wrote:
> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>> Theo wrote:
>>
>>>> Am I missing something or have these really gone out of fashion?
>>> 12v is the new 10.8v (literally the same thing, just renamed).
>>>
>>> Makita have 3:
>>> https://www.makitauk.com/products/impact-drivers-cxt-12v
>>
>> I have a few of the previous generation tools using makita BL1013
>> batteries, much less bulky than CXT or LXT when you don't need brute force
>
> Exactly!!! I want a slim-handled impact driver for wood screws that
> pairs nicely with a 12v cordless drill.

Bosch still do one like that:

https://www.lawson-his.co.uk/bosch-gdr-10-8-v-li-10-8v-cordless-impact-driver-in-lboxx

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John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:
> On 27/04/2024 07:37, Chris Green wrote:
> > Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> >> Theo wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Am I missing something or have these really gone out of fashion?
> >>> 12v is the new 10.8v (literally the same thing, just renamed).
> >>>
> >>> Makita have 3:
> >>> https://www.makitauk.com/products/impact-drivers-cxt-12v
> >>
> >> I have a few of the previous generation tools using makita BL1013
> >> batteries, much less bulky than CXT or LXT when you don't need brute force
> >
> > Exactly!!! I want a slim-handled impact driver for wood screws that
> > pairs nicely with a 12v cordless drill.
>
> Bosch still do one like that:
>
> https://www.lawson-his.co.uk/bosch-gdr-10-8-v-li-10-8v-cordless-impact-driver-in-lboxx
>
Not cheap though at £190! It is exactly what I'm looking for though,
to make sense I'd have to buy a matching cordless drill/driver which I
suspect would make the whole deal very expensive.

--
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·

On 27/04/2024 16:54, Chris Green wrote:
> John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:
>> On 27/04/2024 07:37, Chris Green wrote:
>>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>>> Theo wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Am I missing something or have these really gone out of fashion?
>>>>> 12v is the new 10.8v (literally the same thing, just renamed).
>>>>>
>>>>> Makita have 3:
>>>>> https://www.makitauk.com/products/impact-drivers-cxt-12v
>>>>
>>>> I have a few of the previous generation tools using makita BL1013
>>>> batteries, much less bulky than CXT or LXT when you don't need brute force
>>>
>>> Exactly!!! I want a slim-handled impact driver for wood screws that
>>> pairs nicely with a 12v cordless drill.
>>
>> Bosch still do one like that:
>>
>> https://www.lawson-his.co.uk/bosch-gdr-10-8-v-li-10-8v-cordless-impact-driver-in-lboxx
>>
> Not cheap though at £190!

Remember that includes the charger and two batts - so it is the
foundation of a system, and you can add further tools "body only". So
something like:

https://www.lawson-his.co.uk/bosch-gsr1215fcn-12v-10-8v-drill-driver-body-only-in-l-boxx

get you the DD (there are other "ends" you can add to that to make a
hammer drill, or offset drill etc.

> It is exactly what I'm looking for though,
> to make sense I'd have to buy a matching cordless drill/driver which I
> suspect would make the whole deal very expensive.

If you can still find someone with stock, then a kit like:

https://www.powertoolworld.co.uk/makita-dk1493wx-10-8v-li-ion-cordless-combi-drill-and-impact-driver-set

might be a better deal. That is the kit I have and I have found it very
good for light weight jobs. (the only slight down side is the batts are
only 1.3 Ah)

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John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:
> On 27/04/2024 16:54, Chris Green wrote:
> > John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:
> >> On 27/04/2024 07:37, Chris Green wrote:
> >>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> >>>> Theo wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>> Am I missing something or have these really gone out of fashion?
> >>>>> 12v is the new 10.8v (literally the same thing, just renamed).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Makita have 3:
> >>>>> https://www.makitauk.com/products/impact-drivers-cxt-12v
> >>>>
> >>>> I have a few of the previous generation tools using makita BL1013
> >>>> batteries, much less bulky than CXT or LXT when you don't need brute force
> >>>
> >>> Exactly!!! I want a slim-handled impact driver for wood screws that
> >>> pairs nicely with a 12v cordless drill.
> >>
> >> Bosch still do one like that:
> >>
> >> https://www.lawson-his.co.uk/bosch-gdr-10-8-v-li-10-8v-cordless-impact-driver-in-lboxx
> >>
> > Not cheap though at £190!
>
> Remember that includes the charger and two batts - so it is the
> foundation of a system, and you can add further tools "body only". So
> something like:
>
> https://www.lawson-his.co.uk/bosch-gsr1215fcn-12v-10-8v-drill-driver-body-only-in-l-boxx
>
> get you the DD (there are other "ends" you can add to that to make a
> hammer drill, or offset drill etc.
>
Yes, but one needs at least one more battery than tools, i.e. for an
impact driver and a drill one needs three batteries.

My Parkside 12v cordless driver plus charger plus two batteries was
only 69 Euros.

> > It is exactly what I'm looking for though,
> > to make sense I'd have to buy a matching cordless drill/driver which I
> > suspect would make the whole deal very expensive.
>
> If you can still find someone with stock, then a kit like:
>
> https://www.powertoolworld.co.uk/makita-dk1493wx-10-8v-li-ion-cordless-combi-drill-and-impact-driver-set
>
Yes, that's the sort of set I have in Titan and Duratool. It's
ridiculous that it has been 'superseded' by a set with clumsy mushroom
lumps on the ends of the handles.

>
> might be a better deal. That is the kit I have and I have found it very
> good for light weight jobs. (the only slight down side is the batts are
> only 1.3 Ah)
>

Thanks for all your feedback.

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·

On 28/04/2024 06:31, Chris Green wrote:
> John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:
>> On 27/04/2024 16:54, Chris Green wrote:
>>> John Rumm <see.my.signature@nowhere.null> wrote:
>>>> On 27/04/2024 07:37, Chris Green wrote:
>>>>> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>>>>>> Theo wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Am I missing something or have these really gone out of fashion?
>>>>>>> 12v is the new 10.8v (literally the same thing, just renamed).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Makita have 3:
>>>>>>> https://www.makitauk.com/products/impact-drivers-cxt-12v
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have a few of the previous generation tools using makita BL1013
>>>>>> batteries, much less bulky than CXT or LXT when you don't need brute force
>>>>>
>>>>> Exactly!!! I want a slim-handled impact driver for wood screws that
>>>>> pairs nicely with a 12v cordless drill.
>>>>
>>>> Bosch still do one like that:
>>>>
>>>> https://www.lawson-his.co.uk/bosch-gdr-10-8-v-li-10-8v-cordless-impact-driver-in-lboxx
>>>>
>>> Not cheap though at £190!
>>
>> Remember that includes the charger and two batts - so it is the
>> foundation of a system, and you can add further tools "body only". So
>> something like:
>>
>> https://www.lawson-his.co.uk/bosch-gsr1215fcn-12v-10-8v-drill-driver-body-only-in-l-boxx
>>
>> get you the DD (there are other "ends" you can add to that to make a
>> hammer drill, or offset drill etc.
>>
> Yes, but one needs at least one more battery than tools, i.e. for an
> impact driver and a drill one needs three batteries.

Extra £40 for another battery...

> My Parkside 12v cordless driver plus charger plus two batteries was
> only 69 Euros.

You pays your money and takes you choice :-)

>>> It is exactly what I'm looking for though,
>>> to make sense I'd have to buy a matching cordless drill/driver which I
>>> suspect would make the whole deal very expensive.
>>
>> If you can still find someone with stock, then a kit like:
>>
>> https://www.powertoolworld.co.uk/makita-dk1493wx-10-8v-li-ion-cordless-combi-drill-and-impact-driver-set
>>
> Yes, that's the sort of set I have in Titan and Duratool. It's
> ridiculous that it has been 'superseded' by a set with clumsy mushroom
> lumps on the ends of the handles.

In defence of the mushroom "lumps", they do tend to have a better
balance in the hand - the inline bat types are slightly "top heavy".

The other advantage of the lump battery is they are available in higher
capacities, while also being lighter and somewhat cheaper than the 18V
versions.

So if you had say:

https://www.lawson-his.co.uk/makita-clx205aj-10-8v-2pc-combo-kit-cxt-with-charger-case-and-2x-battery

Additional 4Ah battery packs are only ~£40

https://www.lawson-his.co.uk/makita-197406-2-bl1040b-12v-10-8v-4-0ah-li-ion-cxt-battery

(actually cheaper than the 2Ah version!)

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On 28 Apr 2024 at 14:25:11 BST, John Rumm wrote:

>> es, that's the sort of set I have in Titan and Duratool. It's
>> ridiculous that it has been 'superseded' by a set with clumsy mushroom
>> lumps on the ends of the handles.
>
> In defence of the mushroom "lumps", they do tend to have a better
> balance in the hand - the inline bat types are slightly "top heavy".

I find the Makita 14.4V tools I have (multitool and hammer drill) feel very
nicely balanced with the 2Ah batteries. And at least they'll stand up - just
about.

I'm not convinced of the advantage brands like Bosch and Makita have over
Lidl/Aldi. But I've invested in Makita batteries and chargers now, so they've
got me for a while :-)

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Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
> Yes, but one needs at least one more battery than tools, i.e. for an
> impact driver and a drill one needs three batteries.
>
> My Parkside 12v cordless driver plus charger plus two batteries was
> only 69 Euros.

Bosch drill+charger+2 batteries = £57
https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01N4PT3ST

Then add the impact for £75:
https://www.screwfix.com/p/bosch-gdr-12-lin-12v-li-ion-cordless-impact-driver-bare/83286

A bit more but you get a drill out of it too, and Bosch quality likely to be
better than Lidl.

Theo

Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
> > Yes, but one needs at least one more battery than tools, i.e. for an
> > impact driver and a drill one needs three batteries.
> >
> > My Parkside 12v cordless driver plus charger plus two batteries was
> > only 69 Euros.
>
> Bosch drill+charger+2 batteries = £57
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01N4PT3ST
>
That's actually rather a good deal! Slightly less well specified than
ny Parkside but you're getting a Bosch Professional tool.

> Then add the impact for £75:
> https://www.screwfix.com/p/bosch-gdr-12-lin-12v-li-ion-cordless-impact-driver-bare/83286
>
> A bit more but you get a drill out of it too, and Bosch quality likely to be
> better than Lidl.
>
I want a drill + impact driver set which share batteries. That's what
I have with my Titan and Duratool ones. The Titan drills are wearing
ou though (not the impact driver strangely). The Duratool ones are
still going strong but the drill doesn't have an auto-lock chuck which
I find annoying.

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On 28/04/2024 18:07, Chris Green wrote:
> Theo <theom+news@chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
>> Chris Green <cl@isbd.net> wrote:
>>> Yes, but one needs at least one more battery than tools, i.e. for an
>>> impact driver and a drill one needs three batteries.
>>>
>>> My Parkside 12v cordless driver plus charger plus two batteries was
>>> only 69 Euros.
>>
>> Bosch drill+charger+2 batteries = £57
>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01N4PT3ST
>>
> That's actually rather a good deal! Slightly less well specified than
> ny Parkside but you're getting a Bosch Professional tool.

Indeed - parkside money for A blue Bosch...

in fact compared to:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-Professional-Cordless-Battery-Carrying-dp-B0949414G2/dp/B0949414G2

it is also a good deal (that has higher capacity batteries)

>> Then add the impact for £75:
>> https://www.screwfix.com/p/bosch-gdr-12-lin-12v-li-ion-cordless-impact-driver-bare/83286
>>
>> A bit more but you get a drill out of it too, and Bosch quality likely to be
>> better than Lidl.
>>
> I want a drill + impact driver set which share batteries.

It looks like that paring will use the same batts.

e.g.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Bosch-Professional-Cordless-Battery-Carrying-dp-B0949414G2/dp/B0949414G2

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RJH <patchmoney@gmx.com> wrote:
> I find the Makita 14.4V tools I have (multitool and hammer drill) feel very
> nicely balanced with the 2Ah batteries. And at least they'll stand up - just
> about.
>
> I'm not convinced of the advantage brands like Bosch and Makita have over
> Lidl/Aldi. But I've invested in Makita batteries and chargers now, so they've
> got me for a while :-)

I bought a Makita 18v drill/impact set, mostly for the batteries and
charger. 'How different can it be from my Aldi 14.4v' I thought - I planned
to sell the drill. Night and day, it turns out. The Makita is a lot more
smooth and powerful, to the extent that I retired the Lidl mains hammer
drill and just use the Makita now. The Makita may be brushless where the
Aldi is brushed, I'm not sure. But the drill turned out to be worth a lot
more to me than the £30 I'd have got back from it after postage and ebay
fees.

Theo